Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia Tor]]]

2005-09-28 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Quoting Alan Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  - Forwarded message from Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
  We are not looking for a perfect solution.  Yes, Wikis will be
  vandalized.  We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that.
  But what I am seeking is some efforts to think usefully about how to
  helpfully reconcile our dual goals of openness and privacy.

 Wikipedia should allow Tor users to register Wikipedia nyms.
 Then they could block:
  Tor users trying to edit without a nym;
  Tor users trying to edit with a nym that has a bad reputation;
 and they could rate-limit
  Tor users trying to edit with a nym that has insufficient history
  to be classified as good or bad;
 while not blocking
  Tor users trying to edit with a nym that has a good reputation.

s/Tor/all/g

This is an excellent summation, except that there is no compelling reason to
treat Tor-carried traffic differently than any other traffic.  Credentialing
and reputation tracking are good ideas, and should be applied universally.
-- 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia Tor]]]

2005-09-28 Thread Alan Barrett
 - Forwarded message from Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
 We are not looking for a perfect solution.  Yes, Wikis will be
 vandalized.  We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that.
 But what I am seeking is some efforts to think usefully about how to
 helpfully reconcile our dual goals of openness and privacy.

Wikipedia should allow Tor users to register Wikipedia nyms.
Then they could block:
 Tor users trying to edit without a nym;
 Tor users trying to edit with a nym that has a bad reputation;
and they could rate-limit
 Tor users trying to edit with a nym that has insufficient history
 to be classified as good or bad;
while not blocking
 Tor users trying to edit with a nym that has a good reputation.

This will require some changes to the MediaWiki software that Wikipedia
uses.  AFAIK, there's currently no way to rate-limit nyms that have
insufficient history, and blocks on IP addresses are currently all or
nothing.

--apb (Alan Barrett)