Re: DC Security Geeks Talk: Analysis of an Electronic Voting System

2003-09-28 Thread Tim May
On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 06:42  AM, Ed Reed wrote:

Grisham might be better - it's the legal wrangling that would tie up
people's imagination, more than the technical.
Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/25/2003 12:46:13 PM 
At 02:48 PM 9/24/03 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
http://www.cryptonomicon.net/ 
modules.php?name=Newsfile=printsid=463

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Talk: Analysis of an Electronic Voting System
Someone needs to inject a story about e-voting fraud into the popular
imagination.
Is Tom Clancy available?  Maybe an anonymous, detailed, plausible,
(but
secretly fictional)
blog describing  how someone did this in their podunk county... then
leak this to a news reporter..
Failure to be *able* to assure that this *didn't* happen in that
podunk
county would make
an important point.
There have already been reports of electronic votes being reported,  
mysteriously, before the election precincts closed.

We know the results are often fixed, but reporting the results before  
the polls are closed sorts of makes the point obvious even to the  
sheeple.

But, like the current hullaballoo about spam and telemarketing, the  
larger issues are not being discussed. Providing more sound bites about  
why Washington needs to be more successfully targeted by Al Qaida, with  
a lot more destruction than the paltry efforts we saw on 9/11, is  
boring.

The focus of this list in recent months on political lobbying  
activities is wrong-headed. We need to be working on ways to make Big  
Brother powerless, either through technology or through destroying his  
nests and his tens of millions of helpers.

The death of twenty million enablers and welfare addicts will be a very  
good thing. Burn, corpses, burn!!

--Tim May



Re: DC Security Geeks Talk: Analysis of an Electronic Voting System

2003-09-27 Thread Ed Reed
Grisham might be better - it's the legal wrangling that would tie up
people's imagination, more than the technical.

 Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/25/2003 12:46:13 PM 
At 02:48 PM 9/24/03 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
http://www.cryptonomicon.net/modules.php?name=Newsfile=printsid=463


Cryptonomicon.Net -

Talk: Analysis of an Electronic Voting System

Someone needs to inject a story about e-voting fraud into the popular
imagination.
Is Tom Clancy available?  Maybe an anonymous, detailed, plausible,
(but
secretly fictional)
blog describing  how someone did this in their podunk county... then
leak this to a news reporter..
Failure to be *able* to assure that this *didn't* happen in that
podunk
county would make
an important point.


On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament],
 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures,
 will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend
 the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
  -- Charles Babbage


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Re: DC Security Geeks Talk: Analysis of an Electronic Voting System

2003-09-25 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:48 PM 9/24/03 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
http://www.cryptonomicon.net/modules.php?name=Newsfile=printsid=463


Cryptonomicon.Net -

Talk: Analysis of an Electronic Voting System

Someone needs to inject a story about e-voting fraud into the popular
imagination.
Is Tom Clancy available?  Maybe an anonymous, detailed, plausible, (but
secretly fictional)
blog describing  how someone did this in their podunk county... then
leak this to a news reporter..
Failure to be *able* to assure that this *didn't* happen in that podunk
county would make
an important point.


On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament],
 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures,
 will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend
 the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
  -- Charles Babbage



[cdr] Re: DC Security Geeks Talk: Analysis of an Electronic Voting System

2003-09-25 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:46, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

 Someone needs to inject a story about e-voting fraud into the popular
 imagination.
 Is Tom Clancy available?  Maybe an anonymous, detailed, plausible, (but
 secretly fictional)
 blog describing  how someone did this in their podunk county... then
 leak this to a news reporter..

Think http://aflightrisk.com/.  Take advantage of a blog's temporal immediacy 
and pick an election somewhere. Then chronicle the fraud as it progresses.

 Failure to be *able* to assure that this *didn't* happen in that podunk
 county would make an important point.

I believe you are correct.