Re: Do we need a national ID plan?

2002-07-22 Thread Anonymous

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:22:34 -0700, you wrote:

 Wouldn't this requirement violate the probable cause requirement for seizures
 of a person which been defined by a series of cases, beginning with Terry v. Ohio
 , 392 U.S. 1, 88 S.Ct. 1868, 20 L.Ed.2d 889 (1968)?

 steve

You are quite idealistic. Neither the Constitution nor case law matters. Neither 
constrains the 
behavior of law enforcement.

http://www.aclu.org/news/2002/n022002c.html

ACLU of CO Sues Federal and State Law Enforcement

Agencies Over Illegal SWAT Raid on Family
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ednesday, February 20, 2002

DENVER--The American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado filed a lawsuit today alleging 
that federal 
and state law enforcement agents violated the constitutional rights of a Pueblo family 
when they 
conducted an illegal SWAT-type raid on the family's home with no warrant or other 
legal authority.

Once again, the war on drugs misses the target and instead scores a direct hit on the 
Constitution, said Mark Silverstein, Legal Director of the ACLU of Colorado. These 
government 
agents had no search warrant, no arrest warrant, and no lawful authority whatsoever.

They carried out this armed home invasion in flagrant disregard of the Fourth 
Amendment, which 
forbids unreasonable searches and arrests without probable cause.

According to the ACLU lawsuit, which was filed on behalf of Dan and Rosa Unis and 
their two 
college-aged sons, on August 19, 2000, the family was peacefully enjoying the privacy 
of their 
home when black-masked, black-helmeted men brandishing automatic weapons and wearing 
all-black 
uniforms with no insignias suddenly burst into the house unannounced, kicked the 
family's dog 
across the floor and ordered the entire family to get on the fucking floor.  

Don't forget to be patriotic.




Do we need a national ID plan?

2002-07-22 Thread Steve Schear

In  this article http://news.com.com/2010-1079-945347.html?tag=politech you 
said:
That's a reasonable position: The White House has never made an 
unequivocal statement against the scheme, and it's possible that America 
could edge toward a situation where the federal government devises an ID 
and orders everyone to carry it at all times. Most European countries 
already require just that.

Wouldn't this requirement violate the probable cause requirement for 
seizures of a person which been defined by a series of cases, beginning 
with Terry v. Ohio , 392 U.S. 1, 88 S.Ct. 1868, 20 L.Ed.2d 889 (1968)?

steve