Re: Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

2004-10-28 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:09 PM 10/27/2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
I'll see you one fizzled October surprise, and raise you...
The Bush Administration succeeded in delaying it until
late enough in October not to ruin the election,
and in the Commie-Colored states it's probably mostly
playing as "that Eeeevi Saddam had lots of Ammo,
aren't we glad that Fearless Leader took him out!"

THE WASHINGTON TIMES
There's the Liberal Media at work :-)
reliable information
The Bush Administration keeps using phrases like
"reliable information" and "credible sources".
I don't think it means what _they_ think it means.
on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that 
have
detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
Russians collaborating with Iraqis?  I thought the Iraqis
were supposed to be on the side of Moslem Terrorists,
like the Chechens.  I guess propaganda has no more reason to be
self-consistent than Middle Eastern political behaviour, though.
 Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from
other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon,
and possibly to Iran, he said.
Saddam giving weapons to the Iranians?  Fat chance.
Syria's not real likely either, though less improbable,
and Lebanon's mostly under Syrian control but has enough
people there who are anti-Israel that it's possible.

Bill Stewart  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



RE: Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

2004-10-28 Thread Vlad \"SATtva\" Miller
> >on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence
> services that
> >have
> >detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
>
> Russians collaborating with Iraqis?  I thought the Iraqis
> were supposed to be on the side of Moslem Terrorists,
> like the Chechens.  I guess propaganda has no more reason to be
> self-consistent than Middle Eastern political behaviour, though.

Iraq under Saddam had always been a sort of temporal country in the Muslim
world. Since late '70s (just since CIA's protege Saddam ran out of control)
Soviet Union collaborated with Iraq in the arms sphere, but as with most
governments of the region, used this "partnership" and the region itself as
a playground, not unlike the US.

After the collapse of the USSR, Russian weapons collaboration with Iraq
gained pure business nature. (Yet it still was an attempt to annoy the US.
Probably exactly this aspect was the main driver of all this business thing;
after all, Iraq hadn't been the most significant weapons buyer even on the
Middle East.) And now Saddam is gone, but not the Iraqi's ~4 bln dollars
debt on weapon supplies which the new administration is refusing to return
(that is wholly logical from the US side - they have nothing in common with
this debt :-).

Saddam was a tyrant, but he was the only one who could control the borders
and not allow all this Al Quaeda scum to flood Iraq. That was predicted when
it was evident that the "liberation" operation is imminent, that is what we
see right now. So, did Russia collaborated with Iraq? Yes, it did. But not
with Al Quaeda terrorists.