Re: The Full Chomsky

2004-11-12 Thread James A. Donald
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On 11 Nov 2004 at 14:21, John Young wrote:
 Chomsky, [...] He makes no apology for his attacks on
 apologists for the powerful, he is merely better at it than
 they are.

Wherever the master's boot smashes into the face of a child, we
can rely on Chomsky to deny the master's crimes, while
simultaneously justifying those crimes, and demonizing the
child as a CIA agent.

Always Chomsky is on the side of evil, of hatred, of the
torturer, and against the torturer's victim, as he was on the
issue of Pol Pot's Cambodia, when he spread and endorsed the
lies of issued by Pol Pot's regime. 

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RE: The Full Chomsky

2004-11-11 Thread Tyler Durden
Now I certainly don't agree with a lot of Chomsky, bvut this dude clearly 
has an axe to grind. For instance,

After 9/11, he was more concerned about a fictitious famine in Afghanistan
than about the nearly 3,000 incinerated in The World Trade Center attacks.
What a fucking idiot. The 3000 were already dead, the 'famine' was 
about-to-be. A Chomsky nut could say Chomsky helped avert complete 
catastrophe (though there apparently was a decent amount of famine after 
all, but nothing like 3MM.)

But this misses the point. Mr Donald will no doubt chime in yammering on 
about Chomsky's lies, but that also misses the point. Chomsky makes very 
strong arguments supporting a very different view of world events, and he 
often quotes primary and secondary sources. If you are going to disagree 
with Chomsky (and in many areas I do), then you've got to actually get off 
your lazy ass and look up the sources and do some f-in' homework. Only then 
are you qualified to refute him.

-TD

From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Full Chomsky
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:20:43 -0500
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/chapin/2004/chapin111004.htm
 MensNewsDaily.com
The Full Chomsky
 November 10, 2004
 by Bernard Chapin
 Question: How could a linguist working as a college professor have
omniscient insight regarding the inner-workings of the American government
and exclusive knowledge concerning the hidden motivations of every
government official in our nation's history?
 Answer: There's no way he could.
 Yet, such common sense does little to refute the fact that Noam Chomsky 
is
one of the ten most quoted figures in the humanities. He has published
screed after screed deconstructing American foreign policy positions and
never has given any indication that his insinuations may somehow be limited
by lack of connections or first hand evidence (or, in some cases, any
evidence whatsoever). Since the 1960s, he has fully played the role of
Wizard Professor and created an entire library's worth of pseudo-academic
smog .

 Until recently, there have been few antidotes for his morass of
accusations and allegations, but now we have The Anti-Chomsky Reader,
edited by David Horowitz and Peter Collier, which offers purchasers the
service of deconstructing the deconstructor. Once you've finished reading
it, you'll be highly grateful as Chomsky's lies are so pervasive and
counter-intuitive that it's a wonder anyone but the paranoid ever read him
in the first place.
 The Anti-Chomsky Reader is a compilation of essays outlining and refuting
the travesties that the M.I.T. linguist has passed off as truth. It does
not confine itself to politics alone. Substantial space is given to the
analysis of his scholarly publications in linguistics. These are addressed
in two chapters called, A Corrupted Linguistics and Chomsky, Language,
World War II and Me. In the area of his chosen field, many have given him
an intellectual pass but this work does not. His linguistic ideas may be as
spurious as his political tomes. All sources give him initial credit for
his core academic assumption about the biological basis of grammar, but
it seems that he has engaged in little in the way of scientifically
verifiable work over the course of the last fifty years. Chomsky's creative
terminology dazzles admirers but his new theories inevitably amount to
nothing
 Overall, the compendium leaves no region of his reputation left
unexamined. Anti-Americanism is central to his worldview. He never sees
this nation as being superior to any other. At best, we mirror the
pathologies of totalitarian states. We can discern this clearly in Stephen
Morris's Whitewashing Dictatorship in Communist Vietnam and Cambodia. The
author sums up Chomsky's fetish for defending the Vietnamese and Democratic
Kampuchea aptly when he argues that,
 As a radical political ideologue, he is crippled by an intense emotional
commitment to the cause of anti-Americanism. Operating on the principle
that 'my enemy's enemy is my friend,' he wholeheartedly embraced the
struggle of two of the world's most ruthlessly brutal regimes.
 Chomsky's hopes for mankind are vested in murderous revolutionaries and
not in his own nation. It is our nation, and never the Khmer Rouge, which
gives its citizens the freedom to vote, the freedom to trade, and, most
obviously, the freedom to spread the type of sedition that Noam Chomsky has
been disseminating for close to 40 years.
 He does not limit himself to Asia, however. The professor has constantly
minimized the acts of many totalitarian states. Chomsky regarded Soviet
control of eastern Europe, when compared to the American presence in
Vietnam, as being practically a paradise We see a man who cares far more
about Holocaust deniers than the six million who were exterminated in gas
chambers or desolate Russian ravines.
 After 9/11, he was more concerned about a fictitious famine in 
Afghanistan
than about the nearly 3,000 incinerated in 

Re: The Full Chomsky

2004-11-11 Thread John Young
But James, it is a no-brainer to refute an argument with
selective use of an opponents words, phrases, quotations,
arguments and beliefs. Debaters are trained and hired to 
do just this as are propagandists, spin doctors, psychiatrists,
journalists, scholars, historians, pr pros, courtiers, literary critics,
philosophers, logicians, priests, lovers, indeed most of
language and discourse is made up of such mongrelian
fabrications.

Chomsky, the linguist, knows this better than most, and
certainly more than you, an amateur by comparison. 

He makes no apology for his attacks on apologists for the 
powerful, he is merely better at it than they are. Not much
is worth doing more than helping lance the giants' scrota.

You could learn from his linguistic studies and his prowess
at detumescing opponents surely more than you can learn by 
attempting to ramrod him, for you are sure to do so at a
level much more superficial than his multi-level critiques
and in the process miss the bulk of his argumentative
substantiation -- as demonstrated by the biased, blind,
vacuousness posted by Dr. Hettinga.

Dr. Hettinga is having his fun posting a cornicopia of
light-weight straw-men disputation, aw shit call it what it 
is, lazy-minded inarticulate like that spewed all across Blueland
by preachers of blind faith in yelling the same old.

Chomsky is one smart SOB, his serious critics readily
agree he is surely the intelligent man in the USA, and they
learn from him far more than they learn from those who 
think as they do: beware the adoring choir's roundheels.




Re: The Full Chomsky

2004-11-11 Thread James A. Donald
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Tyler Durden wrote:
 What a fucking idiot. The 3000 were already dead, the 'famine' was
 about-to-be. A Chomsky nut could say Chomsky helped avert complete
 catastrophe [...]

 But this misses the point. Mr Donald will no doubt chime in
 yammering on about Chomsky's lies, but that also misses the point.
 Chomsky makes very strong arguments supporting a very different view
 of world events, and he often quotes primary and secondary sources.
No he does not quote primary and secondary sources.  He purports to
paraphrase primary and secondary sources, When he actually quotes, as
he rarely does, he quotes only very small fragments in elaborate and
contrived false context, often using made up quotes which resemble,
but differ from the original in vital ways.  The famine in
Afghanistan is a case in point, which has already been discussed in
the newsgroups.  The sources in original context did not make the
claims he attributed to them.
I have provided a paragraph by paragraph comparison of source
materials with Chomsky's claims about source materials for the issue
of the Khmer Rouge - see http://www.jim.com/chomsdis.htm, but the same
story could be written, and indeed has been written, of everything he
writes.  If you complain that his lies in support of the Khmer Rouge
are old news, I will do a similar number on his more recent lies about
the Afghan famine.
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