Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
At 08:30 PM 10/3/04 +, Justin wrote: On 2004-10-03T13:32:36-0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: The US *is* the Fourth Reich. Personally, I will take what comes. You will make fine soap.
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEWARK, Sept. 30 - Laetitia Bohn walked into Newark Liberty International Airport on Thursday, dazed and sleepy after an eight-hour flight from Paris, and was jolted from her reverie when an immigration officer asked for her photograph and fingerprints along with her passport. The US now has the dubious distinction of being more obnoxious to get through the borders than the former East Germany (actually even without this measure, the checks had become at least as obnoxious as the East German ones). I wonder whether the next step will be building a wall... Peter (who'll be thinking really hard about any future conference trips to the US).
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 05:18, Peter Gutmann wrote: The US now has the dubious distinction of being more obnoxious to get through the borders than the former East Germany (actually even without this measure, the checks had become at least as obnoxious as the East German ones). I wonder whether the next step will be building a wall... Reign in the overheated rhetoric. The East German state built their wall to keep the East Germans from leaving, while the US policies are meant to keep out a demonstrated threat. Now, we can productively discuss the effectiveness of the US government's actions (ie, not very damn effective), but that's a different topic.
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 09:43:04PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: It was more easy to visit before, she said. But I will still come back. Well, no, I won't. (And quite a number of others). No biometrics ID for me either. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgp5sdpQgjYHg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 05:18, Peter Gutmann wrote: The US now has the dubious distinction of being more obnoxious to get through the borders than the former East Germany (actually even without this measure, the checks had become at least as obnoxious as the East German ones). I wonder whether the next step will be building a wall... Reign in the overheated rhetoric. The East German state built their wall to keep the East Germans from leaving, while the US policies are meant to keep out a demonstrated threat. I never made any comment about who's keeping what in or out (the wall was officially an anti-fascist protection barrier, also meant to keep out a demonstrated threat). What I was pointing out was that having been through both East German and US border controls, the US ones were more obnoxious. Peter.
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Steve Furlong wrote: On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 05:18, Peter Gutmann wrote: The US now has the dubious distinction of being more obnoxious to get through the borders than the former East Germany (actually even without this measure, the checks had become at least as obnoxious as the East German ones). I wonder whether the next step will be building a wall... Reign in the overheated rhetoric. The East German state built their wall to keep the East Germans from leaving, while the US policies are meant to keep out a demonstrated threat. (1) There are also a number of non-rebar+concrete walls in place to keep US citizens from leaving; (2) The demonstrated threat folks are not generally the ones being targetted. The US *is* the Fourth Reich. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
On 2004-10-03T13:32:36-0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: The US *is* the Fourth Reich. Personally, I will take what comes. -- The old must give way to the new, falsehood must become exposed by truth, and truth, though fought, always in the end prevails. -- L. Ron Hubbard
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
At 07:22 AM 10/3/2004, Steve Furlong wrote: On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 05:18, Peter Gutmann wrote: The US now has the dubious distinction of being more obnoxious to get through the borders than the former East Germany (actually even without this measure, the checks had become at least as obnoxious as the East German ones). I wonder whether the next step will be building a wall... There's already a wall / fence built to keep Mexicans out. Reign in the overheated rhetoric. The East German state built their wall to keep the East Germans from leaving, while the US policies are meant to keep out a demonstrated threat. They're primarily intended to create a climate of fear and dependence and reassure the American public that the government's in charge. Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign Travelers Face Fingerprints and Jet Lag
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: (1) There are also a number of non-rebar+concrete walls in place to keep US citizens from leaving; Please elaborate?
