Re: Hacking the Bush War Machine
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Sunder wrote: It was all pure bullshit anyway, and strangely enough they're admitting that! Anything to get the sheeple nervous and compliant: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,78593,00.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,78593,00.html Seems like it's more aimed at keeping congress nervous and compliant. Nobody in the real world is paying much attention, at least in my local vacinity. I think not believing anything the feds say is becoming much easier. I think the movie Allegro Non Troppo has a great sequence that applies: One guy looks out his cave and decides to build a straw hut. Then everyone follows him and builds straw huts. The gets mad, and builds a stone house. Everyone follows. he builds a skycraper, and everyone follows. He gets really mad, and then does all kinds of weird stuff, that everyone follows. He then makes guns and everyone follows, then he marches up to a cliff and jumps off grabing onto a branch. Nothing happens. So he climbs up to the edge of the cliff and looks back. Everyone moons him! I think the world is about to moon Bush and Blair. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Hacking the Bush War Machine
Tim May wrote... Sure, the North Koreans are practicing extortion: send us more money and Hennesy cognac or we will rattle our sabers. Both Kim Il Sun (or was that his dad's name) and Saddam Hussein want one thing with weapons of mass destruction: power. They know that by having some big, scary weapon somewhere there'll be a little more respect at the bargaining table, particularly where the Americans are involved. So neither one really have any plans to use them, at least not in any way that would cause them to get nuked themselves. Saddam gassed the Kurds to keep control of his own territory. He's not some crazy true believer looking for Matyrdom (got too much of a good thing goin' here). Likewise, May's commment about delivering an intercontinental nuke. When I heard North Korea's got a nucular bomb, my response was, So what? Are they going to deliver it on the back of truck? Seems to me Kim Il Sun would probably use that one Nuke like the recent mass starvations there: Give us a Billion dollars in aid or I'm dropping this bomb on Pyongyang! Ah well. We gotta burn off some military inventory SOMEHOW. Why NOT Korea? -TD From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hacking the Bush War Machine Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:09:31 -0800 On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 01:21 PM, Blanc wrote: From Tim May: It's our duty as hackers to hack this war machine and shut it down. Well, I'd like to see *that*. But you know, if N.Korea throws a nucular at us, a gun will be as useful as ducked ape. (and how long are people supposed to stay taped up in their room, they haven't said, either. And where would the bad gas go - over to somebody else's neighborhood?) Last point first. You're uneducated about how chemical agents drift and disperse. Mustard gas, phosgene, even VX, disperse quickly. Simple physics of diffusion. I had one nitwit over on misc.survivalism assuming that the prepare for a 72-hour disruption, the standard earthquake/flood/hurricane advice, meant that we were supposed to seal ourselves up in an airtight room for 72 hours. The nitwits and chimps amused themselves yammering about how long the air would last... As for nukes, even if a DPRK rocket could make it to the West Coast, what would it hit? Guidance of a ballistic (think carefully about what ballistic means) missile is very difficult. The U.S. had to spend tens of billions of dollars getting precise mascon and geomagnetic maps of the earth before they could plausibly target within a 10 mile CEP (circular error of probability). Slight deviations in the earth's crustal makeup, even ocean depths, cause ballistic objects to diverge from ideal trajectories. Anyone, besides the yes men at the CIA, think the North Koreans have access to such maps--or if such maps have even been made of the the NK-U.S. path--as well as access to gyroscopes, precision thrusters, and so on? DPRK has not even come close to launching even a single satellite. And if they do, so what? Missiles could reach many countries from many other countries for several decades. Did Russia go into a meltdown panic when Japan got missiles? Sure, the North Koreans are practicing extortion: send us more money and Hennesy cognac or we will rattle our sabers. If anything, it's for the South Koreans and the Japanese, and maybe the Chinese, to deal with this. No reason whatsoever for U.S. taxpayers like me to either give in to their extortion demands or to pay for another war with them. Don't fall for the recent crap. It depresses me to see list members repeating the Big Lies. --Tim May Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Hacking the Bush War Machine
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:12:46AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Both Kim Il Sun (or was that his dad's name) and Saddam Hussein want one thing with weapons of mass destruction: power. They know that by having some big, scary weapon somewhere there'll be a little more respect at the bargaining table, particularly where the Americans are involved. Actually, they, like many other countries these days, feel the need to be able to defend themselves against war-mongering empires like the US. And with good reason. I'm sure we'll see Iran, Libya, and Brazil all building nukes soon if they haven't already. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: Hacking the Bush War Machine
On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 01:21 PM, Blanc wrote: From Tim May: It's our duty as hackers to hack this war machine and shut it down. Well, I'd like to see *that*. But you know, if N.Korea throws a nucular at us, a gun will be as useful as ducked ape. (and how long are people supposed to stay taped up in their room, they haven't said, either. And where would the bad gas go - over to somebody else's neighborhood?) Last point first. You're uneducated about how chemical agents drift and disperse. Mustard gas, phosgene, even VX, disperse quickly. Simple physics of diffusion. I had one nitwit over on misc.survivalism assuming that the prepare for a 72-hour disruption, the standard earthquake/flood/hurricane advice, meant that we were supposed to seal ourselves up in an airtight room for 72 hours. The nitwits and chimps amused themselves yammering about how long the air would last... As for nukes, even if a DPRK rocket could make it to the West Coast, what would it hit? Guidance of a ballistic (think carefully about what ballistic means) missile is very difficult. The U.S. had to spend tens of billions of dollars getting precise mascon and geomagnetic maps of the earth before they could plausibly target within a 10 mile CEP (circular error of probability). Slight deviations in the earth's crustal makeup, even ocean depths, cause ballistic objects to diverge from ideal trajectories. Anyone, besides the yes men at the CIA, think the North Koreans have access to such maps--or if such maps have even been made of the the NK-U.S. path--as well as access to gyroscopes, precision thrusters, and so on? DPRK has not even come close to launching even a single satellite. And if they do, so what? Missiles could reach many countries from many other countries for several decades. Did Russia go into a meltdown panic when Japan got missiles? Sure, the North Koreans are practicing extortion: send us more money and Hennesy cognac or we will rattle our sabers. If anything, it's for the South Koreans and the Japanese, and maybe the Chinese, to deal with this. No reason whatsoever for U.S. taxpayers like me to either give in to their extortion demands or to pay for another war with them. Don't fall for the recent crap. It depresses me to see list members repeating the Big Lies. --Tim May Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound
RE: Hacking the Bush War Machine
At 1:21 PM -0800 2/13/03, Blanc wrote: (and how long are people supposed to stay taped up in their room, they haven't said, either. And where would the bad gas go - over to somebody else's neighborhood?) I guess beans are officially off the American diet. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
