Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 4:34 PM -0500 1/17/05, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
>Tommy had only a small sip of the Kool-Aide, and
>apparently,
^h ^^saw the colors...

> but tried to cut it with a whole *vat* full of tanker-piss...

I hate it when that happens...

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 12:02 PM -0800 1/17/05, James A. Donald wrote:
>After the unpleasant experience of nation bulding in Iraq, I
>hope that for the next round, he will stick to nation
>destruction.

Amen.

All we really needed was a quick fly-by and reformat, and let Allah sort
'em out, on a grand tour of the um, holy land. Next stop Syria, Iran, etc.
Oh, well. Dance with the statist girl who brung ya, and all that.

Rummy saw the wisdom of 's plan, but couldn't quite sell it to the
Generals-that-be. Tommy had only a small sip of the Kool-Aide, and
apparently, but tried to cut it with a whole *vat* full of tanker-piss...


Cheers,
RAH

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experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

[James A. Donald]

--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > Oh wow, let us expand our current highly popular and
> > successful Iraqi operation to embrace a quarter of the
> > world.  Wouldn't it be nice?  No, come to think of it, it
> > would not be nice.

"J.A. Terranson"
> Since Mein Fuhrer Bush is preparing to escalate to Iran in a
> few months, you'd better get used to it.

After the unpleasant experience of nation bulding in Iraq, I
hope that for the next round, he will stick to nation
destruction.

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Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

[J.A. Terranson]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, James A. Donald wrote:

> Oh wow, let us expand our current highly popular and successful
> Iraqi operation to embrace a quarter of the world.  Wouldn't it
> be nice?  No, come to think of it, it would not be nice.

Since Mein Fuhrer Bush is preparing to escalate to Iran in a few months,
you'd better get used to it.


> The problem is not failed states.  The problem is states like
> North Korea, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, which are not
> failing, but damn well should.

No.  The problem is states like the US who should keep their fascist noses
out of other states business.  Let those states rise or fall on their own
merits or demerits, but allow nature to take it's course.  It's not our
place to be decisiding what is an appropriate government for others.
Hell, we can't even figure out what's appropriate *here*.



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upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers
destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy
freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be
healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system
whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation,
poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is
biologically and ecologically sustainable.

The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly
indicates that mental illness starts at the top.

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Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

[Pete Capelli]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:31:05 -0600 (CST), J.A. Terranson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Since Mein Fuhrer Bush is preparing to escalate to Iran in a few months,
> you'd better get used to it.

It's interesting you called him that, given your next statement.

> No.  The problem is states like the US who should keep their fascist noses
> out of other states business.  Let those states rise or fall on their own
> merits or demerits, but allow nature to take it's course.  It's not our
> place to be decisiding what is an appropriate government for others.
> Hell, we can't even figure out what's appropriate *here*.

Isolationism didn't work 70 years ago; what makes you think it will
work better in this new age of globalism?

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Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

[James A. Donald]

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> For these reasons it seems to us that military planners and
> decision makers should be interested in considering new
> approaches toward aiding failing and faltering states. 4
>
> [...]The cure they propose is "conservatorship," under which
> the United Nations would directly supervise or actually take
> over the government of a failed state until it became fully
> capable of administering its own affairs. 7 U.S. military and
> political leaders should immediately understand, these
> authors warn, that such a conservatorship would inevitably
> involve American military participation in some form or
> another.

Oh wow, let us expand our current highly popular and successful
Iraqi operation to embrace a quarter of the world.  Wouldn't it
be nice?  No, come to think of it, it would not be nice.

The problem is not failed states.  The problem is states like
North Korea, Syria, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, which are not
failing, but damn well should. 

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