Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files

[KOVÁCS István]

Please note that there are legal concerns regarding these profiles. The
RawTherapee guys, who (AFAIK) were the first ones to cine up with a way to
extract them, never shared them. Please don't share files of questionable
legality on the forum, regardless of size.

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Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files

[Saint Germain]

Hello,

I've tried your profiles with my D7200, and I can confirm that the
results are much closer to the camera jpeg.
I can see a slight blue/green cast and the colors are less
saturated, but it's a much better starting point than the base curve.

I'll have to generate my own profiles to be sure (perhaps D7200 is a
bit different from D7100 ?).

Thanks to Edgardo and Vidar !

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:10:22 -0300, Edgardo Hoszowski
 wrote :

> Sure, see attached
> 
> 
> 2016-08-01 5:46 GMT-03:00 Rafa García :
> 
> > Hi Edgardo,
> >
> >   I wrote you related about 7100 icc profiles. I have a mac updated
> > to capitan and I couldn't install view NX 2 to generate the
> > profiles.
> >
> >   Could you send me your 7100 generated profiles?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-07-31 19:13 GMT+02:00 Edgardo Hoszowski
> >  :
> >
> >> Same here with a D5100, with a D7100 all went fine, I have 2 or 3
> >> different profiles that give different colors cast, but so far
> >> there's always one closer to the camera jpg.
> >> Using the D7100 profiles on a D5100 raw seems ok too,  much closer
> >> to the camera jpg.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2016-07-31 8:18 GMT-03:00 Colin Adams :
> >>
> >>> So I tried this (I have a Nikon D810).
> >>>
> >>> When selecting any of the generated icc profiles except the last
> >>> one, I get a message:
> >>> "unsupported input profile has been replaced by linear Rec709
> >>> RGB!" So I selected the last one, and set unbreak input profile
> >>> to 0.0 as you instruct.
> >>> The resulting image indeed looks to have slightly better quality,
> >>> but it has a green cast.
> >>> This is with darktable 2.0.5-1 rather than 2.0.4. I'm doubtful if
> >>> that should be making the difference though.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 at 15:39 Jean-Luc CECCOLI <
> >>> jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hello,
> 
> 
> 
>  Very interesting.
> 
>  Thanks for sharing.
> 
> 
> 
>  Rgds,
> 
> 
> 
>  J.-Luc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  > Message du 26/07/16 20:41
>  > De : "Vidar Hoel" 
>  > A : "Jean-Luc CECCOLI" ,
>  darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
>  > Copie à :
>  > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon
>  RAW-files
> 
> 
>  >
>  > On 26. juli 2016 20:16, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:
>  > > Hello,
>  >
>  > Hi!
>  >
>  > > Just one thing that puzzles me : Nikon ViewNX2 generates a
>  > > profile
>  for
>  > > each picture it processes, so each
>  > > profile is based upon the parameters of this picture.
>  >
>  > Almost. It generates a different profile for each camera
>  > setting (it seems like). So of mine 98 pictures, I got 10
>  > different profiles.
>  >
>  > > That would mean that, for each picture, one would have to
>  > > use the corresponding imported profile, else one
>  > > might get even worse results than using the DT dedicated
>  > > basecurve, isn't it ?
>  >
>  > After applying all 10 different profiles to the same image, I
>  discovered
>  > it was only minor differences, and so small I can neglect
>  > them. I
>  have
>  > never seen them make a worse result than the dedicated base
>  > curves.
>  But
>  > this is a subjective observation!
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Vidar Hoel
>  >
>  > > That said, I think that that is the way profiles work...
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Regards,
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > J.-Luc
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > Message du 26/07/16 18:45
>  > > > De : "Vidar Hoel" 
>  > > > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
>  > > > Copie à :
>  > > > Objet : [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon
>  RAW-files
>  > > >
>  > > > Hi,
>  > > >
>  > > > some time ago I noticed that the JPGs from my Nikon were
>  > > > better
>  then
>  > > > what I could achieve from processing the RAW-file (NEF) in
>  Darktable.
>  > > > After some digging on the Internet, I figured out I could
>  > > > use an alternative to the default base-curves in Darktable
>  > > > - and that
>  > > made me
>  > > > get a better starting-point when processing my Nikon
>  > > > RAW-files
>  (and I
>  > > > was able to achieve a better image than the JPGs from my
>  > > > camera!)
>  > > >
>  > > > Today I finished a step-by-step video of what I did, so
>  > > > anyone can
>  > > see,
>  > > > learn and perhaps do it themselves.
>  > > >
>  > > > Some notes before viewing:
>  > > > - I am not really sure behind the technology behind this.
>  > > > I am not
>  

Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files

[Edgardo Hoszowski]

Sorry about that, I didn't notice the size of the file, I'll have it in
mind the next time.

2016-08-01 19:20 GMT-03:00 Terry Duell :

> Hello Edgardo,
>
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2016 04:10:22 +1000, Edgardo Hoszowski <
> edgardo.hoszow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure, see attached
>>
>>
>>
> The 'attached' that arrived here was 6.5 MB.
> I'm not sure what others think, but in view it is bad etiquette to attach
> large files to posts to mailing lists, as everyone ends up getting a copy.
> In my view the 'correct' approach is to provide a link to the file on
> Dropbox or similar.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Regards,
> Terry Duell
>
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files

[Terry Duell]

Hello Edgardo,

On Tue, 02 Aug 2016 04:10:22 +1000, Edgardo Hoszowski  
 wrote:



Sure, see attached




The 'attached' that arrived here was 6.5 MB.
I'm not sure what others think, but in view it is bad etiquette to attach  
large files to posts to mailing lists, as everyone ends up getting a copy.
In my view the 'correct' approach is to provide a link to the file on  
Dropbox or similar.


Cheers,
--
Regards,
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[darktable-user] hdr with flash?

[Michael]

This is interesting. I take pictures of houses interiors. Because my camera
doesn't do bracketed images (stupid nikon d3200) I had a thought: hdr
combines shadows and hilights so why can't I do one photo with a flash and
the other without. The results are interesting.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2xvsVTZy4y1QnBDZDFjdTFjeE0



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Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files

[Colin Adams]

All the *.icm files are 1.6MB in size except one which is 22KB in size -
this one was named quite differently in Windows, so i expect that is the
one that is almost working.

Is it possible to determine why darktable thinks it is not a valid profile?

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 at 12:18 Colin Adams  wrote:

> So I tried this (I have a Nikon D810).
>
> When selecting any of the generated icc profiles except the last one, I
> get a message:
> "unsupported input profile has been replaced by linear Rec709 RGB!"
> So I selected the last one, and set unbreak input profile to 0.0 as you
> instruct.
> The resulting image indeed looks to have slightly better quality, but it
> has a green cast.
> This is with darktable 2.0.5-1 rather than 2.0.4. I'm doubtful if that
> should be making the difference though.
>
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 at 15:39 Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> Very interesting.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>>
>>
>> J.-Luc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Message du 26/07/16 20:41
>> > De : "Vidar Hoel" 
>> > A : "Jean-Luc CECCOLI" ,
>> darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
>> > Copie à :
>> > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On 26. juli 2016 20:16, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:
>> > > Hello,
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > > Just one thing that puzzles me : Nikon ViewNX2 generates a profile for
>> > > each picture it processes, so each
>> > > profile is based upon the parameters of this picture.
>> >
>> > Almost. It generates a different profile for each camera setting (it
>> > seems like). So of mine 98 pictures, I got 10 different profiles.
>> >
>> > > That would mean that, for each picture, one would have to use the
>> > > corresponding imported profile, else one
>> > > might get even worse results than using the DT dedicated basecurve,
>> > > isn't it ?
>> >
>> > After applying all 10 different profiles to the same image, I
>> discovered
>> > it was only minor differences, and so small I can neglect them. I have
>> > never seen them make a worse result than the dedicated base curves. But
>> > this is a subjective observation!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Vidar Hoel
>> >
>> > > That said, I think that that is the way profiles work...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > J.-Luc
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Message du 26/07/16 18:45
>> > > > De : "Vidar Hoel" 
>> > > > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
>> > > > Copie à :
>> > > > Objet : [darktable-user] A better starting-point for Nikon RAW-files
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > some time ago I noticed that the JPGs from my Nikon were better then
>> > > > what I could achieve from processing the RAW-file (NEF) in
>> Darktable.
>> > > > After some digging on the Internet, I figured out I could use an
>> > > > alternative to the default base-curves in Darktable - and that
>> > > made me
>> > > > get a better starting-point when processing my Nikon RAW-files (and
>> I
>> > > > was able to achieve a better image than the JPGs from my camera!)
>> > > >
>> > > > Today I finished a step-by-step video of what I did, so anyone can
>> > > see,
>> > > > learn and perhaps do it themselves.
>> > > >
>> > > > Some notes before viewing:
>> > > > - I am not really sure behind the technology behind this. I am not
>> > > sure
>> > > > if a Nikon RAW-file has a profile embedded, but it seems so.
>> > > > - I am not sure if there is an other way to achieve this is
>> Darktable?
>> > > > - As explained in the video, you will need Windows, or a friends
>> > > laptop
>> > > > with Windows, once, to make this work.
>> > > > - My native language is not English :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > https://youtu.be/O1nS3URVSYA
>> > > >
>> > > > Enjoy :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > Best regards,
>> > > > Vidar Hoel
>> > > >
>> > >
>> 
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