Re: [darktable-user] Collections don't work after update to 2.6.0

[I. Ivanov]

On 2018-12-26 13:29, FK wrote:

Hi everyone,

merry christmas and thanks for a new version of darktable again!

I just upgraded to 2.6.0 from 2.4.4 under Ubuntu 18.04 and started up

Just curious... did you upgrade from PPA or compile from GIT?

darktable again after the upgrade. Seemed normal, but I wondered, why
I'm facing way old pictures and not the collection I was working on
before the upgrade. So I clicked on Collections -> Foders -> 2018 -> ...
wait a moment nothing changed. Still says 21617 Pictures in recent
collection (that's obviously ALL my pictures). Strange - no folder was
working. Tried Filmrolls. Tags. Kameras. Nothing. Restarted DT.
Rebooted. No change. I can't access any of my collections - always
showing all of them pictures. Only thing working is "show all", "show 1
star", ... to narrow things down.

Any suggestions what I can do?!?!

Thanks a lot in advance!

Best regards,

   Felix


Regards,

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[darktable-user] Collections don't work after update to 2.6.0

[FK]

Hi everyone,

merry christmas and thanks for a new version of darktable again!

I just upgraded to 2.6.0 from 2.4.4 under Ubuntu 18.04 and started up
darktable again after the upgrade. Seemed normal, but I wondered, why
I'm facing way old pictures and not the collection I was working on
before the upgrade. So I clicked on Collections -> Foders -> 2018 -> ...
wait a moment nothing changed. Still says 21617 Pictures in recent
collection (that's obviously ALL my pictures). Strange - no folder was
working. Tried Filmrolls. Tags. Kameras. Nothing. Restarted DT.
Rebooted. No change. I can't access any of my collections - always
showing all of them pictures. Only thing working is "show all", "show 1
star", ... to narrow things down.

Any suggestions what I can do?!?!

Thanks a lot in advance!

Best regards,

  Felix


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Re: [darktable-user] backup advice needed

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:27:07 -0800
"I. Ivanov"  wrote:

> 
> Yes - I use rsync. Maybe I can mirror the complete structure taking
> only the XMP files. There are a few items now that I can investigate.
> 
A combination of --exclude --include like
rsync --archive --prune-empty-dirs --include="*/" --include="*.xmp"
--exclude="*" [FROM_FOLDER] [TO_FOLDER]

--include="*/": Include all folders
--include="*.xmp": Include all files ending in .xmp
--exclude="*": Exclude everything else

The exclude option must follow the include options.
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Re: [darktable-user] Mac version UI performance/lag

[Pascal Obry]

Hi August,

> This is not exclusively a Mac issue -- I experience the same kind of lag
> on a Linux machine with a 4K monitor. The problem, as was explained when
> I asked about it, is that the light table is implemented as a single GTK
> widget, and is set to be completely redrawn every time the mouse is
> moved on top of it. There is a Redmine bug filed for the issue:
> https://redmine.darktable.org/issues/10764.

Indeed! It would be nice if a full rewrite of the lighttable was done
for the next dev cycle. This is a quite big project, if anyone want to
start this please let's discuss that.

Thanks,

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Re: [darktable-user] 2.6.0 - multiple selections

[Sami Cokar]

I have two replies with different OS (MacOS, Linux) exhibiting this
behaviour, so this is possibly a bug and I suggest filing a report at:
https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/issues

if a quick search shows such a report has not yet been submtited.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 12:08 AM Jean-Luc Lacroix 
wrote:

> Debian-Gnome with a freshly compiled 2.6 with the default keybindings,
> the same as in 2.4.
>
> Multiple selection works all right in other apps.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Jean-Luc
>
> On 25/12/18 22:36, Sami Cokar wrote:
> > Windows or Linux? if Linux, what desktop (might be a keybinding issue)?
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 9:37 AM Jean-Luc Lacroix  > > wrote:
> >
> > To organize my photos, I tag a lot. Since 2.6 the what I call the
> > "skip-and-extend selection" kind of no longer work as in 2.4
> >
> > What I used to do is to select, say one picture, then skip a number
> of
> > pics and ctrl-click to select another one and extend from that point
> > using shift-click. Worked flawlessly in 2.4 but in 2.6 its selects
> all
> > pics from the first one.
> >
> > Is it me?
> >
> > Cheers and merry Xmas to all (especially to all the devs who worked
> > hard
> > to deliver 2.6 on time!)
> >
> > Kudos to all of them.
> >
> > Jean-Luc
> >
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Re: [darktable-user] Mac version UI performance/lag

[August Schwerdfeger]

This is not exclusively a Mac issue -- I experience the same kind of lag
on a Linux machine with a 4K monitor. The problem, as was explained when
I asked about it, is that the light table is implemented as a single GTK
widget, and is set to be completely redrawn every time the mouse is
moved on top of it. There is a Redmine bug filed for the issue:
https://redmine.darktable.org/issues/10764.

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On 12/26/18 12:38 PM, Rui Carmo wrote:
> Hell guys,
>
> Glad so see 2.6.0 out the door, but I just tried it on my retina iMac and am 
> really sad to see that the lighttable is still slow and very CPU intensive 
> (even moving the mouse around seems to keep causing full redraws).
>
> Are there any plans to tackle this in a point release? I’d love to go back to 
> using Darktable on the Mac (I pretty much gave up after the e-mail exchange 
> below).
>
> Kind regards (and happy holidays),
>
> R.
>
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:02, parafin  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 10:55:03 +0100
>> Rui Carmo  wrote:
>>
 On 24 Aug 2018, at 10:02, parafin  wrote:

 I can't reproduce here. What macOS version are you on? I'm still on
 10.12.6.  
>>> 10.13.6. Just reproduced it now again on my MacBook, which runs the same 
>>> versions as my iMac.
>> I guess that's the difference. I'm not sure when I will have time to
>> upgrade and look at this.
>>
 How do you enter fullscreen?  
>>> By clicking on the green control widget (darktable does not honor standard 
>>> key commands like Ctrl+Cmd+F)
>> DT has its own shortcuts, namely by default it's F11, but it can be
>> changed in preferences.
>>
 How did you install darktable, did you use DMG from github page?
 https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/download/release-2.4.4/darktable-2.4.4.dmg
   
>>> Of course. I am not set up for developing on it (I’m a services dev, not a 
>>> desktop dev) and I don’t use brew casks, so downloading the official DMG is 
>>> the way I install most “regular” apps.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, any chance the gigantic lag will be addressed soon? I’ve read 
>>> through the issues related to it, and it seems to be a GTK affair, but it 
>>> remains the biggest hurdle to using Darktable on the Mac.
>> I think the problem is 2-fold - slower GTK render on Mac and
>> inefficiency of lighttable rendering on big screens. Looks like making
>> thumbs smaller or/and using HiDpi resolution mode makes rendering a
>> little bit faster, but obviously that's not a fix.
>> To answer your question - I myself not planning on looking at either of
>> these bugs anytime soon. GTK problems are GTK's problems, and
>> lighttable rendering code isn't really my area.
>>
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Re: [darktable-user] Mac version UI performance/lag

[Rui Carmo]

Hell guys,

Glad so see 2.6.0 out the door, but I just tried it on my retina iMac and am 
really sad to see that the lighttable is still slow and very CPU intensive 
(even moving the mouse around seems to keep causing full redraws).

Are there any plans to tackle this in a point release? I’d love to go back to 
using Darktable on the Mac (I pretty much gave up after the e-mail exchange 
below).

Kind regards (and happy holidays),

R.

> On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:02, parafin  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 10:55:03 +0100
> Rui Carmo  wrote:
> 
>>> On 24 Aug 2018, at 10:02, parafin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't reproduce here. What macOS version are you on? I'm still on
>>> 10.12.6.  
>> 
>> 10.13.6. Just reproduced it now again on my MacBook, which runs the same 
>> versions as my iMac.
> 
> I guess that's the difference. I'm not sure when I will have time to
> upgrade and look at this.
> 
>> 
>>> How do you enter fullscreen?  
>> 
>> By clicking on the green control widget (darktable does not honor standard 
>> key commands like Ctrl+Cmd+F)
> 
> DT has its own shortcuts, namely by default it's F11, but it can be
> changed in preferences.
> 
>> 
>>> How did you install darktable, did you use DMG from github page?
>>> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/download/release-2.4.4/darktable-2.4.4.dmg
>>>   
>> 
>> Of course. I am not set up for developing on it (I’m a services dev, not a 
>> desktop dev) and I don’t use brew casks, so downloading the official DMG is 
>> the way I install most “regular” apps.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, any chance the gigantic lag will be addressed soon? I’ve read 
>> through the issues related to it, and it seems to be a GTK affair, but it 
>> remains the biggest hurdle to using Darktable on the Mac.
> 
> I think the problem is 2-fold - slower GTK render on Mac and
> inefficiency of lighttable rendering on big screens. Looks like making
> thumbs smaller or/and using HiDpi resolution mode makes rendering a
> little bit faster, but obviously that's not a fix.
> To answer your question - I myself not planning on looking at either of
> these bugs anytime soon. GTK problems are GTK's problems, and
> lighttable rendering code isn't really my area.
> 
>> 
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Re: [darktable-user] backup advice needed

[I. Ivanov]

On 2018-12-26 01:39, ternaryd wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 00:45:46 -0800
"I. Ivanov"  wrote:


The challenge I am facing with XMP as a
primary is that when changes are done across
multiple folders (in my case I removed
description in 3-4 folders - modified about
600 files out of few thousand affected) I
didn't find a good way to identify the
affected files in the backup and retrieve
it.

If you're on Linux, there is rsync(1). This
works locally as well as across the network. I'm
using a line in the form of

rsync -av --delete /src/dir /backup/dir

(actually, I still have an --exclude argument
to not bother with some other stuff).

This is very fast and reliable; if everything
is online, you can do that by cron(1)


Thank you,

Yes - I use rsync. Maybe I can mirror the complete structure taking only 
the XMP files. There are a few items now that I can investigate.


Thank you all! I appreciate all the help received on the list!

Regards,

B


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Re: [darktable-user] backup advice needed

[ternaryd]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 00:45:46 -0800
"I. Ivanov"  wrote:

> The challenge I am facing with XMP as a
> primary is that when changes are done across
> multiple folders (in my case I removed
> description in 3-4 folders - modified about
> 600 files out of few thousand affected) I
> didn't find a good way to identify the
> affected files in the backup and retrieve
> it.

If you're on Linux, there is rsync(1). This
works locally as well as across the network. I'm
using a line in the form of

rsync -av --delete /src/dir /backup/dir

(actually, I still have an --exclude argument
to not bother with some other stuff).

This is very fast and reliable; if everything
is online, you can do that by cron(1)

If you're a Windows/Mac user, I can't help, but
I know that similar tools are available.

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Re: [darktable-user] backup advice needed

[I. Ivanov]

On 2018-12-25 08:34, dt-l...@stefan-klinger.de wrote:

According to a message by one of the developers that appeared on this
list some time ago (sorry, cant' find it now) the XMP files should be
considered primary.  So backup the XMP files, rather than the
database.

Note, however, that the database will silently deviate from
read-only XMPs (not writeable, or read-only mounted filesystem) .

I am using crashplan for backup. It can backup as often as every 15 min. 
The challenge I am facing with XMP as a primary is that when changes are 
done across multiple folders (in my case I removed description in 3-4 
folders - modified about 600 files out of few thousand affected) I 
didn't find a good way to identify the affected files in the backup and 
retrieve it. Restoring a DB (the complete DT folder is about 70 MB vs 
affecting at least 70 GB (rough estimate).


I am still going to investigate backing up XMP (only) much rapidly (like 
15 min) but at present - having a copy of the DB seems to be better than 
nothing.


The mistake was completely mine with removing the descriptions but it 
would be nice if DT could improve on undo / redo approach. I find myself 
relying more on the tagging of the files. It is a very powerful feature. 
And it is certainly much appreciated. At the same time - the danger is 
significant (and not easily repairable if backup is not present).


Regards,

B


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