Re: [darktable-user] Time for a new system
To piggyback on Chris' comments, there's a relatively new remote personal cloud storage option known as the AmberPRO - https://shop.myamberlife.com/collections/all/products/amber?variant=22314078404666. Put one of these at a friend's home in another part of the region. Set it up on its own UPS, with Ethernet surge protection such as this - https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-ETH-SP-G2-Surge-Suppressor-Protector/dp/B079HXKRW1/ref=asc_df_B079HXKRW1?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20=df0=79989588513695=s=e=be=c===pla-4583589115360178=1 to guard against lightning surges. You can even plug in an external hard drive (or SSD) for additional storage. Hard to beat this option. Willy Williams *** On 12/16/2022 at 14:27, Chris Albertson wrote: Actualy you can extend Macro's comments like this... Just my 2 cents. Who says that "X" is reliable? It can be hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy, catch on fire, destroy by an earthquake or nuclear war The above is true for all manner of "X", that is why you have these basic rules for backup 1) the data shall always exist on three different physical file systems 2) The data shall always exist at two different geographical locations 3) new data shall never overwrite old data, subject to some reasonable retention period. This rule is critical. A common problem is file corruption. You never want the problem where a corrupted version of a file overwrite the backed up uncorrupted version. You have to keep the old copies of the files. So re-used backup media is a bad ide. Batter to just write the changes to the media until the media is full. Keepingn to overwriting the old data. You can do this in lots of ways, the common "build vs buy vs rent" analysis can be applied. The most common cause for data lost is no longer a failed disk. The most common is: #1 Operator error, you delete a file and you don't notice this until much later. #2 loss of equipment, misplaced notebook, theft or fire, electric surge,... A really good offsite system s to setup a second NAS across town and let then keep sysnc'd over the INternet. Now you have second-by-second backup. Is the NAS uses a versioned filesystem then you have point in time recovery. You can buy the NAS, built is to rent space on some company's NAS. A lot depends on if the data is business critical or not. Where I used to work there where three offsite company own NAS systems. Triple redundant offsite is kind of nuts for most people but the data was historic data from past space missions. On 06/12/22 17:26, Marco DE BOOIJ wrote: Just my 2 cents. Who says that the cloud is 100% reliable? Can be hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy. Until now not heard of the first 2 but the 3rd has happened. My 'solution'. Just buy 2 cheap external discs. Backup to both disks and bring one to a friend/relative (not your neighbour because if your place burns, the neighbours place will likely burn too). Next backups backup to the disc at your place and exchange it with the other one and backup again on this disc. Some work with minimal cost. So you have 3 different media and 2 different geographical locations. Regards, Marco Op 6/12/2022 om 00:48 schreef Chris Albertson: On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:59 PM David Vincent-Jones wrote: Yes, the cloud .. just another cost that we are being talked into! OK, you don't want to pay to use other peole's storage. Then buy a second NAS and place it in some other building and use that. You can work out if it is cheaper to rent or buy storage. Likely it does cost less in the long run to buy your own off-site storage but it will require some time for you to devote to keeping it running. What is your time worth? We assume this is a business and not a hobby. The company I used to work for used three large storage systems each one in a different city and they kept them all in sync. But they already had IT staff and the server rooms in place. Synology does make backing up to a remote NAS really easy to setup. The only problem is the up-front cost is at least doubled because you need a second NAS box. So you have to decide if you would rather pay $1,200 for the hardware of $30 per month for a service. The usual rule of thumb about backing up business critical data is that is all cases 1) the data is one three different media and 2) the data is at two different geographical locations. Usually this means the Data is on your computer, your backup disk or NAS, and in a cloud server. That is three different media. and your office and the cloud provide two different geographic locations. The above is the minimum. Your share holders would consider you incompetent and sue you if you did less, you can
Re: [darktable-user] Time for a new system
Actualy you can extend Macro's comments like this... Just my 2 cents. Who says that "X" is reliable? It can be hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy, catch on fire, destroy by an earthquake or nuclear war The above is true for all manner of "X", that is why you have these basic rules for backup 1) the data shall always exist on three different physical file systems 2) The data shall always exist at two different geographical locations 3) new data shall never overwrite old data, subject to some reasonable retention period. This rule is critical. A common problem is file corruption. You never want the problem where a corrupted version of a file overwrite the backed up uncorrupted version. You have to keep the old copies of the files. So re-used backup media is a bad ide. Batter to just write the changes to the media until the media is full. Keepingn to overwriting the old data. You can do this in lots of ways, the common "build vs buy vs rent" analysis can be applied. The most common cause for data lost is no longer a failed disk. The most common is: #1 Operator error, you delete a file and you don't notice this until much later. #2 loss of equipment, misplaced notebook, theft or fire, electric surge,... A really good offsite system s to setup a second NAS across town and let then keep sysnc'd over the INternet. Now you have second-by-second backup. Is the NAS uses a versioned filesystem then you have point in time recovery. You can buy the NAS, built is to rent space on some company's NAS. A lot depends on if the data is business critical or not.Where I used to work there where three offsite company own NAS systems. Triple redundant offsite is kind of nuts for most people but the data was historic data from past space missions. On 06/12/22 17:26, Marco DE BOOIJ wrote: > > Just my 2 cents. Who says that the cloud is 100% reliable? Can be hacked, > get bankrupt or change price/policy. Until now not heard of the first 2 but > the 3rd has happened. > > My 'solution'. Just buy 2 cheap external discs. Backup to both disks and > bring one to a friend/relative (not your neighbour because if your place > burns, the neighbours place will likely burn too). Next backups backup to > the disc at your place and exchange it with the other one and backup again > on this disc. Some work with minimal cost. So you have 3 different media > and 2 different geographical locations. > > Regards, > > Marco > Op 6/12/2022 om 00:48 schreef Chris Albertson: > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:59 PM David Vincent-Jones > wrote: > >> >> Yes, the cloud .. just another cost that we are being talked into! >> > OK, you don't want to pay to use other peole's storage. Then buy a second > NAS and place it in some other building and use that. You can work out if > it is cheaper to rent or buy storage.Likely it does cost less in the > long run to buy your own off-site storage but it will require some time for > you to devote to keeping it running. What is your time worth? We assume > this is a business and not a hobby. > > The company I used to work for used three large storage systems each one > in a different city and they kept them all in sync. But they already had > IT staff and the server rooms in place. > > Synology does make backing up to a remote NAS really easy to setup. The > only problem is the up-front cost is at least doubled because you need a > second NAS box. So you have to decide if you would rather pay $1,200 for > the hardware of $30 per month for a service. > > The usual rule of thumb about backing up business critical data is that is > all cases > 1) the data is one three different media and > 2) the data is at two different geographical locations. > > Usually this means the Data is on your computer, your backup disk or NAS, > and in a cloud server. That is three different media. > and your office and the cloud provide two different geographic locations. > > The above is the minimum. Your share holders would consider you > incompetent and sue you if you did less, you can always do more. > > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Corrupted installation of darktable on Linux Mint 21
In checking today, the System Monitor (as suggested) showed only the error message window as shown below. There were no darktable-related processes running (which I anticipated, given that darktable refused to start). I ran the ps tool that Remco suggested, and got the same results. I could find NO lock files related to darktable anywhere on the system; neither data.db.lock nor library.db.lock (p. 287 in The Fine Manual). What to do now? I moved data.db and library.db to the desktop. Lo and behold, darktable started normally. I have to presume that one or the other were corrupted, so both got deleted. In any case, darktable is once again up and running. I am looking forward to v4.2.0 popping out of the chute in the very near future. Thanks to Butch and Remco for their suggestions. Willy Williams ** On 12/15/22 22:57, Butch Carpenter wrote: On 12/15/22 18:10, Willy Williams wrote: I've run into a challenge on my one Linux Mint 21 computer. Since yesterday, when I start darktable, I get the message below. I've deleted the lock files repeatedly, to no avail. I've uninstalled and reinstalled darktable, but get the same message every time. I am NOT a Linux wizard and haven't a good idea of how to resolve this issue. Anyone got some good advice? I'm hoping to come to a successful resolution before darktable 4.2 springs out later this month. Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- I am not a Mint user (I use Ubuntu), but you should have an application named "System Monitor". You need to open that and make sure you are on the Processes tab. If you see one called 'darktable', press End Process on the lower right border of the System Monitor window, then press End Process on the pop-up. Check to make sure you do not have multiple darktable processes. Cecil Carpenter darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
