Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[DougC]

This is also my experience. It is NOT a mis-configuration of my email client.



Doug C.





 On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 12:26:49 -0500 Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
 wrote 


> Message du 22/02/21 20:37 
> De : "Patrick Shanahan" 
 
> A : "darktable forum" 
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts 
> 
> [.../...] 
> 
> and *indeed* one SHOULD NOT REPLY ALL as most who read the list have 
> absolutely no need or want for a duplicate msg. 
> 
Well, if I only had hit "Reply", you only would have received this post. 
In order to let it be distributed to the list, I had to hit "Reply all" and 
then delete your address form the recipients. 
When I happen to forget to do this, you get the duplicaate and tell me not to 
send directly to you. 
This list is the only one I have been belonging to that behaves this way - 
which does not mean it is the only one - but it is not convenient at all. 
Add to that that it also handles the posts / threads in a way that often makes 
them unreadable for others... 
 
Rgrds, 
 
J.-Luc 
 
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Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts

[DougC]

Which is really a failing of the mailing list configuration. Most I have used 
over the years have the list being the primary reply so the list gets a reply 
from all methods of replying.





 On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:24:55 -0500 Michael  wrote 




in other words if you only hit reply the only one who sees it is the 
author of the post.

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Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?

[DougC]

When the darktable developers call the pixel pipeline a "stack" that is an 
arbitrary term they have chosen. It is a techie term, for sure. But applying 
modules in the pipeline would be better described as a sequential series of 
processing steps. There is no implied "direction" other than forward. Now 
debating whether "stack" is a techie term is fruitless here, because it is 
beside the point. So I am not going to address it further.



I have not been asking for this GUI feature. So, to say I'm insisting the 
developers to do something I want, but they do not think appropriate, is 
erroneous. I only entered this discussion because I kept hearing people respond 
to the request by saying, essentially "We just cannot re-order the modules in 
the GUI because the modules HAVE to be processed in the correct order!" That 
was the most prevalent response, even though it WAS NOT WHAT WAS BEING 
REQUESTED.



So, I asked that a good reason be given why, in the favorites tab, the module 
order could not be customized by the user. Not to change the order of 
processing of those modules, but to merely make it more comfortable for the 
user to see them in the order the user is used to editing. In the most recent 
few responses I got my answer. First, it would be confusing to users (even 
though the user would have to had manually set this up themselves). Second, it 
would make it harder to implement other features that are under consideration, 
such as multiple module instances. 



So, as I already indicated in this conversation, I have my answer.









 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 18:16:33 -0500 Patrick Shanahan  
wrote 



not "techie" but as expected.  a stack grows from botton to top. 
 
you are making definitions to but darktable in a different light.  it is 
what it is and you are perfectly able to program it into what you wish, 
but you must do so.  it appears you want others to make changes they do 
not think appropriate, necessary or worth effort to accomodate you. 
 
 
-- 
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Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?

[DougC]

You are correct that most visual processes, especially writing, move from top 
to bottom. Having the stack grow from bottom to top is part of the "techie" 
nature of darktable. 





 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:24:51 -0500 KOVÁCS István  
wrote 


On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 20:37, Urs Schütz  wrote: 
> @kneops 
> My two cents: 
> Darktable pipelines work from bottom to top. [...] 
> The developers choosed "from bottom to top" 
 
I think it may be reasonable to add an option to flip the visual order 
(so not completely free reordering, just a boolean top-to-bottom 
('page-order') or bottom-up ('stack-like') display choice). My 
reasoning is that in Western writing systems, we read and write from 
top to bottom. I understand that the pipeline is also called a 
'stack', and the 'last' element on the stack means 'the most recently 
pushed one', and it's at the top. But, I guess, for many users, a 
presentation where the last element of the history is at the bottom; 
where one of the the first modules to apply (such as exposure) appears 
near the top of the page, not near the bottom; where the pipeline, in 
execution order, is displayed top-to-bottom, is a very logical 
expectation. 
 
Kofa 
 
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Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?

[DougC]

That thread helps my understanding a lot! Thank you.



My conclusion is that allowing a manual sort order in a module tab in the GUI 
would make it difficult to implement other changes that are under 
consideration. To me, that is a good argument.





 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:34:53 -0500 Guillermo Rozas  
wrote 


On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 1:01 PM DougC <mailto:d...@moosemail.net> wrote:

This is exactly my position, as well. Is there a good argument against it?




 

You may want to read this, which touches the subject on a (much) smaller case: 
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/7841

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Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?

[DougC]

This is exactly my position, as well. Is there a good argument against it?





 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 10:56:41 -0500 Michael Staats  
wrote 


My 2 cents: I think most people do not want to mess with the internal 
pipeline, they just expect that the right thing happens when they switch 
on a module or change a setting. 
 
But it can simply be a matter of taste if you first crop, or set 
the white balance. And why not allow to re-order the modules in the 
favorite list to taste (without changing the pipeline), so that in one's 
standard workflow you would simply start at the top, and when you are at 
the bottom, you are done? 
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for it, I personally do not have such 
a standard workflow. I look at my picture, and if I want to change 
something, I pick the module I need, and so on, until I'm happy. In the 
next picture, it might be a complete different order. 
 
But I understand if others, especially if handling many pictures, want 
to have their personal order. Or maybe that helps establishing a common 
workflow for a group of users, like when teaching whoever (pupils, 
employees), or whatever use case you may think of... 
 
Best regards, 
Michael

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Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?

[DougC]

And no one wants to take that away from you! The request was to allow a user to 
add a custom tab where the order of the modules is different. The request does 
NOT change the default view, nor the order of pipeline processing at all!





 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:18:13 -0500 Andreas Herold  
wrote 


I want to say, that I could not use DT any longer, if I’m not able to see the 
pipeline order in the GUI. For me the visible order of modules has just the 
purpose to reflect the pipeline order.

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Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?

[DougC]

You are simply saying you would not find this useful, but actually problematic 
for you. That is not a good reason to prevent another user from adding a custom 
module view to their GUI that does this.





 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:40:44 -0500 Andreas Herold  
wrote 


I’m a normal user and no developer. For me it would be the worst thing ever, if 
the order of modules displayed in the GUI would not reflect the pipeline order. 
The output of one module is the input of another. If I change parameters, I 
have to know which other modules might be affected (e.g. a parametric mask 
might not match any longer).

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Re: [darktable-user] exiv2 and darktable

[DougC]

I don't see why you conclude the exiv2 project is safe. After a full month of 
appeals there is still no maintainer announced in the first thread you link to, 
nor on the web site, nor on the github site.



Doug C.





 On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:11:50 -0500 Guillermo Rozas  
wrote 


The future of exiv2 is safe, don't worry:
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/maintainer-urgently-needed-for-exiv2/21547

https://discuss.pixls.us/t/canon-cr3-raw-support-your-move/14192




Regards,

Guillermo

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Re: [darktable-user] Best way to tag image from command line?

[DougC]

The idea of providing a way for users to submit SQL queries to filter the image 
list in lighttable is an interesting one. Not for everyone, certainly, but 
useful for some.



It is similar, in some aspects, to the ability to add CSS in the configuration 
dialog to customize the GUI. (Normally, CSS is used internally to manage much 
of the GUI look, but the user gets the ability to add their own tweaks.)



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Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera

[DougC]

I agree. Also, a high quality SD card reader can be significantly faster (10x 
or more) than a cheaper one.



A good one is the ProGrade DUAL-SLOT SD reader p/n PGRWSDHCXCANA but there are 
others.





 On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 12:47:46 -0500 Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
 wrote 


I wonder why on earth do some people absolutely want to import right from the 
camera. 
It is far slower and less safe than doing it by reading the card from a card 
reader. 
Safe : if the card falls on to the ground, it will not be the same as if it 
were the camera. 
Slower : I admit this is based upon my own observations with Nikon 1 v1, D700 
and D4s conneted either via usb2 or usb3. 
Plus, if I do not mistake, this just does import the pictures into the 
database, so they will not be available anymore after unplugging the camera. 
I think, together with others on this list, that the best is to copy the files 
from the card to the disk, and then import them. 
There are many tools that allow organizing while copying, most of them have 
been listed in previous posts.

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Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera

[DougC]

I concur with Anton. I use Beyond Compare from Scooter Software for file 
copying to/from SD cards. Works far faster and more reliably than native 
operations. Available for Windows, Mac, and Linux. Well worth the small price.



I've never understood why photo editing software needs to include the file 
copying operation. Not an essential feature, IMO.

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Re: [darktable-user] Leaving a module to conplete an operation?

[DougC]

My question comes from a thread here on Perspective correction where it was 
said:

Leaving
(closing) the module finalizes the changes.






 On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 18:45:50 -0500 Stéphane Gourichon 
 wrote 


Most modules get their effect applied continuously as you set the
  parameters, they don't need you to leave them.

Can you provide examples of modules that actually need you to
  leave them to finalize the operation ?

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[darktable-user] Leaving a module to conplete an operation?

[DougC]

I am puzzled why the act of leaving a module is used as an event to activate or 
finalize the operation of the module. This seems like a strange user interface 
practice. Can someone enlighten me as to how and why it was adopted in 
darktable?

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[darktable-user] Windows Subsystem for Linux

[DougC]

Has anyone tried installing and using linux darktable under Windows Subsystem 
for Linux (WSL)?

I have some issues with the Windows install and intend to work through them to 
help improve darktable but in the meantime I thought of trying WSL as an 
alternative.

Doug C.

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[darktable-user] Subscribe from a different address

[DougC]

I am receiving bounce messages from the list server of darktable-user so I 
would like to try subscribing from a different address. The problem is I cannot 
send from the new address. It is a mail forwarding service which will forward 
on the mail to my original address.

Would someone help me figure out how to subscribe an email address by just 
knowing the address itself?

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Re: [darktable-user] Problem report with configuration using darktable 3.2.1

[DougC]

Thanks for the idea, August.



Unfortunately, after adding "-d all" and then finding the log file, it did not 
show anything relevant or useful. Only two lines in the 580KB file containing 
"error" or "fail" and those were failing to find luarc or darktable.css files. 
I doubt if they are relevant.



Doug C.



 On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:34:07 -0400 August Schwerdfeger 
 wrote 


You might try adding '-d sql' to the Darktable options in your script. That 
dumps all the database log messages to the console, so you can check to see if 
anything is off with the database when you re-rate an image.

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[darktable-user] Problem report with configuration using darktable 3.2.1

[DougC]

Complete newbie to darktable here. I have waited for 3.2 to begin my darktable 
experience but have immediately run into problems.

I have installed Darktable 3.2.1 on Windows 10 64-bit using the installer from 
darktable.org/install. Fast i7 processor, fast GPU, 64GB RAM, lots of storage 
space.

When I first ran it using all defaults and imported some images all looked and 
worked fine.

However, I want to keep my images on external, removable storage and I want to 
keep the darktable library there also so the library on the external volume 
holds all the edits for the images on that volume. This way I can move the 
external storage between 3 different computers and always have the latest edits 
available.

To test this on my main computer I put images on the external volume N:\2020 in 
folders by month and day. I created an empty folder named N:\darktable which is 
where I want the library to go.

I then created this command script:
  @echo off

  cd /d "%~dp0"

  start "darktable for %~dp0" darktable --library %~dp0darktable\library.db



When I run it darktable starts I see

  N:\>startdt

  N:\>cd /d "N:\"

  N:\>start "darktable for N:\" darktable --library N:\darktable\library.db



which looks exactly the way it should. 



The N:\darktable folder now contains



N:\>dir n:\darktable

 Volume in drive N is P-2020-3A

 Volume Serial Number is D4E5-96D2



 Directory of n:\darktable



08/11/2020  02:00 PM      .

08/11/2020  02:00 PM      ..

08/11/2020  02:00 PM 0 library.db

08/11/2020  02:00 PM 0 library.db-pre-3.2.1

08/11/2020  02:00 PM 6 library.db.lock

   3 File(s)  6 bytes

   2 Dir(s)  53,829,632,000 bytes free


which is also exactly what I expected.

At this point darktable is running and using the library on N:\darktable but 
using all other defaults (for data.db and darktablerc).

I can import the same image files as before but now the problem:

When in lighttable, clicking on any star, or X to reject an image, I see the 
message popup that says the operation is being done but there is no indication 
in the UI that it has. All stars remain hollow. The X remains plain 
(unchecked). These operations worked fine when I started darktable with all 
defaults. In fact, I can re-start darktable using all defaults and it will 
again function correctly.

So the question is, what else do I need to do when starting darktable from my 
script to get it to behave when using the library on external media?

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Re: [darktable-user] DT: I must be holding it wrong....

[DougC]

Thanks for this, Charlie. Just what I needed to hear right now. I expect I will 
slow down and follow your advice.



 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:00:49 -0400 Charlie Goodwin 
 wrote 


I'm responding partially to the original post in this thread, and additionally, 
to newcomers in general to darktable. 
...

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