Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
* Matej Martinovic [09-05-18 13:33]: > I would also like to keep the discussion in this mailing list or on pixls.us. > On Mi, 05 Sep 2018 18:12:32 +0200 David Vincent-Jones > wrote Please NOT Facebook some of us avoid the > Social platforms. pixls.us would be a better site that is dedicated to open > source graphics. On 09/05/2018 12:32 AM, Anders Lund wrote: > Hi Jack, > > > Could you provide a link to som sort of comparison? That would be very nice. > > If you are on facebook, there is a group for darktable users that could be > > used. > > I do not have problems with sharpness, defaults appears to work > quite well for > me, I sometimes use a highpass preset I created, sometimes > the equalizer > module, but mostly for extra sharpening with a mask. I'm > shooting with a Canon > EOS 7D. > > Kindly, > Anders > > onsdag den 5. > september 2018 08.56.07 CEST skrev kneops: >> First, I'm a freelance > photographer and over twenty years a user of many >> different pieces of > software for editing images on Windows, Mac and >> Linux computers. Normal, > pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, >> but somehow I can't get > nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an >> image on my Linux pc in Gimp, > RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and >> Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look > good immediately, fast and simple, >> except DT. Sometimes it does, most of > the time it's just not exactly >> right. The sharpening makes things look > almost coarse, especially in >> areas that are densily populated with > small/tiny details. For instance, >> I was editing images of horses I shot > during a horse market. The tails >> and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, > like hair or fur. I know tails >> of horses can look like a brush, but in > this case it was a breed of >> horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if > when going over those >> hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I > have played with the >> sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I > find it impossible >> to get it right. >> >> What are your experiences with > this? And if a developer is watching >> this, could this module perhaps get > an update? I sometimes think these >> kind of modules are so basic they just > exist but never get improved ;). >> >> By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji > cameras. >> >> Jack >> > > >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org please, do something about your quoting -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
I would also like to keep the discussion in this mailing list or on pixls.us. On Mi, 05 Sep 2018 18:12:32 +0200 David Vincent-Jones wrote Please NOT Facebook some of us avoid the Social platforms. pixls.us would be a better site that is dedicated to open source graphics. On 09/05/2018 12:32 AM, Anders Lund wrote: > Hi Jack, > > Could you provide a link to som sort of comparison? That would be very nice. > If you are on facebook, there is a group for darktable users that could be > used. > > I do not have problems with sharpness, defaults appears to work quite well for > me, I sometimes use a highpass preset I created, sometimes the equalizer > module, but mostly for extra sharpening with a mask. I'm shooting with a Canon > EOS 7D. > > Kindly, > Anders > > onsdag den 5. september 2018 08.56.07 CEST skrev kneops: >> First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many >> different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and >> Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, >> but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an >> image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and >> Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple, >> except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly >> right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in >> areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance, >> I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails >> and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails >> of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of >> horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those >> hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the >> sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible >> to get it right. >> >> What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching >> this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these >> kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;). >> >> By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. >> >> Jack >> >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
Please NOT Facebook some of us avoid the Social platforms. pixls.us would be a better site that is dedicated to open source graphics. On 09/05/2018 12:32 AM, Anders Lund wrote: > Hi Jack, > > Could you provide a link to som sort of comparison? That would be very nice. > If you are on facebook, there is a group for darktable users that could be > used. > > I do not have problems with sharpness, defaults appears to work quite well > for > me, I sometimes use a highpass preset I created, sometimes the equalizer > module, but mostly for extra sharpening with a mask. I'm shooting with a > Canon > EOS 7D. > > Kindly, > Anders > > onsdag den 5. september 2018 08.56.07 CEST skrev kneops: >> First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many >> different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and >> Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, >> but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an >> image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and >> Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple, >> except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly >> right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in >> areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance, >> I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails >> and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails >> of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of >> horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those >> hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the >> sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible >> to get it right. >> >> What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching >> this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these >> kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;). >> >> By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. >> >> Jack >> >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org pEpkey.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
I'm not insulted easily ;) and please call me stupid when I forget some important part of a tool, and thanks for the opacity option. Never really thought of that because I assume(d) that this has the same effect as adding less or more sharpening ussing the 'amount' slider. Op 05-09-18 om 13:01 schreef J Albrecht: I apologise if I come across as insulting your intelligence, Jack, but have you also tried tweaking the opacity of any applicable module after your initial sharpening attempts? I find that this is often a useful way to further attenuate results which are otherwise too harsh. On 5 Sep 2018, at 08:56, kneops wrote: First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple, except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance, I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible to get it right. What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;). By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. Jack darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
Gimp is an option, but not when using DT as the tool to edit, manage and exports lots of images. But I do use Gimp from time to time to adjust brightness and shadows using the dodge and burn tool, which makes working with images much more intuitive than the slow and rather 'technical' way of working with masks. Op 05-09-18 om 09:33 schreef GianLuca Sarto: Jack, I don't know if it's the correct/usual work flow, but I never sharpen in DT, because I don't know yet the destination of the image. So I save the image full size without sharpening. If am scaling the image for the web, or using all/some pixels in a large/small print, it will need a different sharpening. Later, I will use Gimp to finish the image. ciao, -Gian On 05/09/2018 09:19, kneops wrote: Hi Rob, I'm gonna watch that video! But even if this is what I need, it's not the place for (quickly) sharpening an image. It just means there is a flaw in the sharpening module that makes people find alternatives for sharpening, like you did :). Op 05-09-18 om 09:05 schreef Robert William Hutton: I pretty much always use the equalizer for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzVXK4eAM5E=0s=PLmvlUro_Up1NBX7VK8UUuyWo1B468zEA0=16 tl;dr: pull up the luma spline slightly on the right hand side. Cheers, Rob On 05/09/18 16:56, kneops wrote: First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple, except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance, I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible to get it right. What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;). By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. Jack darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org . darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
No comparisons, I never saved those images. I was just curious about how others find the sharpening results and their way of doing it. Thanks for pointing out there is a Facebook group! Op 05-09-18 om 09:32 schreef Anders Lund: Hi Jack, Could you provide a link to som sort of comparison? That would be very nice. If you are on facebook, there is a group for darktable users that could be used. I do not have problems with sharpness, defaults appears to work quite well for me, I sometimes use a highpass preset I created, sometimes the equalizer module, but mostly for extra sharpening with a mask. I'm shooting with a Canon EOS 7D. Kindly, Anders onsdag den 5. september 2018 08.56.07 CEST skrev kneops: First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple, except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance, I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible to get it right. What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;). By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. Jack darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
Hi Jack, Could you provide a link to som sort of comparison? That would be very nice. If you are on facebook, there is a group for darktable users that could be used. I do not have problems with sharpness, defaults appears to work quite well for me, I sometimes use a highpass preset I created, sometimes the equalizer module, but mostly for extra sharpening with a mask. I'm shooting with a Canon EOS 7D. Kindly, Anders onsdag den 5. september 2018 08.56.07 CEST skrev kneops: > First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many > different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and > Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, > but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an > image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and > Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple, > except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly > right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in > areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance, > I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails > and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails > of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of > horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those > hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the > sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible > to get it right. > > What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching > this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these > kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;). > > By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. > > Jack > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
Jack, I don't know if it's the correct/usual work flow, but I never sharpen in DT, because I don't know yet the destination of the image. So I save the image full size without sharpening. If am scaling the image for the web, or using all/some pixels in a large/small print, it will need a different sharpening. Later, I will use Gimp to finish the image. ciao, -Gian On 05/09/2018 09:19, kneops wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I'm gonna watch that video! But even if this is what I need, it's not > the place for (quickly) sharpening an image. It just means there is a > flaw in the sharpening module that makes people find alternatives for > sharpening, like you did :). > > > > Op 05-09-18 om 09:05 schreef Robert William Hutton: >> I pretty much always use the equalizer for this. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzVXK4eAM5E=0s=PLmvlUro_Up1NBX7VK8UUuyWo1B468zEA0=16 >> >> >> tl;dr: pull up the luma spline slightly on the right hand side. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rob >> >> On 05/09/18 16:56, kneops wrote: >>> First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of >>> many different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac >>> and Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never >>> an issue, but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I >>> compared an image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot >>> Pro and Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast >>> and simple, except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just >>> not exactly right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, >>> especially in areas that are densily populated with small/tiny >>> details. For instance, I was editing images of horses I shot during >>> a horse market. The tails and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, >>> like hair or fur. I know tails of horses can look like a brush, but >>> in this case it was a breed of horses with soft hair. In DT they >>> look like if when going over those hairs with your hand you get your >>> skin massaged. I have played with the sliders in the sharpening >>> module for monthss, but I find it impossible to get it right. >>> >>> What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching >>> this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think >>> these kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get >>> improved ;). >>> >>> By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> darktable user mailing list >>> to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>> >> >> >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] I find it difficult to get good sharpening
First, I'm a freelance photographer and over twenty years a user of many different pieces of software for editing images on Windows, Mac and Linux computers. Normal, pleasant looking sharpening was never an issue, but somehow I can't get nice looking sharpening in DT. I compared an image on my Linux pc in Gimp, RawTherapee, DT, Aftershot Pro and Lightroom (Virtualbox), and all look good immediately, fast and simple, except DT. Sometimes it does, most of the time it's just not exactly right. The sharpening makes things look almost coarse, especially in areas that are densily populated with small/tiny details. For instance, I was editing images of horses I shot during a horse market. The tails and skins don't look 'touchable', soft, like hair or fur. I know tails of horses can look like a brush, but in this case it was a breed of horses with soft hair. In DT they look like if when going over those hairs with your hand you get your skin massaged. I have played with the sliders in the sharpening module for monthss, but I find it impossible to get it right. What are your experiences with this? And if a developer is watching this, could this module perhaps get an update? I sometimes think these kind of modules are so basic they just exist but never get improved ;). By the way, I work with Nikon and Fuji cameras. Jack darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
