Re: [Debconf-discuss] Bdale Garbee's 'what is Debian' is not recorded in Debconf videos ?

[Bernelle Verster]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:01 PM, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was looking at the schedule https://debconf16.debconf.org/schedule/
>
> and in that I saw Bdale Garbee's talk on 3rd july which was on menzies
> 9 but I don't see his talk in the videos shared at
> http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/

it's this one: 
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/What_is_Open_Source_and_how_does_Debian_fit_in_to_that.webm
> .
>
> Did the talk not happen or some issue with the recording, please share.
>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Packaging tutorial - newcomers welcome! 14:00, Friday, Menzies 11

[Bernelle Verster]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:57 PM, gregor herrmann
<gregor+deb...@comodo.priv.at> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:43:36 +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Asheesh Laroia <paulprot...@debian.org> 
>> wrote:
>> > This event is a self-driven packaging tutorial. Attendees of all 
>> > backgrounds
>> > are welcome. You will work through Lucas Nussbaum's well-tested
>> > documentation and learn about:
>
>> Being easily intimidated, I would like to prepare beforehand, and
>> someone mentioned there was a online pdf tutorial or something. Turns
>> out, there's loads. (see below). Any suggestions on what's a good one
>> to start?
>
> That:
>
>> [1] - 
>> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf
>
> is Lucas' tutorial which Asheesh mentioned above as a basis for the
> session, and I can only recommend it as well.

Doh! thanks :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> gregor
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Anybody attending DebConf16 and coming to Madrid afterwards?

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi Alberto

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:43 PM, alberto fuentes  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Laura Arjona Reina 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> If you are attending DebConf16 and plan to come to Madrid afterwards (no
>> matter if it's some months later), please ping me. I would be very happy if
>> somebody brings my tshirt (and some stickers, if possible!). And also would
>> be a perfect excuse to organize a coffee, beer or whatever-signing when you
>> come to Madrid.
>
>
> Id join that meeting!
>
> And if you bring some normal swirl stickers (any size and material) i will
> rebuy them from you (and probably ill buy you a beer for your troubles!).

I printed circular Debian swirl stickers:
Small = 6cm diameter, on white, black and translucent vinyl (100 of each)
and Large = 20 cm diameter  on white, black and translucent vinyl (50 of each)

I think there are many left. How many would you like?

I was selling them at R20 (about Euro 1.30) for small and R50 (about
Euro 3.00) for large but can negotiate bulk price, I just need to
recover my costs :)

And then I don't know who would be best to arrange to get them to you,
and organise payment? I am based in Cape Town, South Africa, can't get
them to you myself.

>
> I stick them everywhere and run out of them again :D
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[Debconf-discuss] NOTE: All busses for day trip leaves from the pub.

[Bernelle Verster]

Due to the size of the busses, they cannot pick up in front of Fuller.

Please meet at the UCT Pub where DebCamp meals were, where the good
beer is, and the same place where the trip to iThemba labs went.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Important Day Trip announcements for 2016-07-06

[Bernelle Verster]

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Solveig  wrote:
>
>>  * Fairie Glen (Safari, R1150) departs at 7:00
>>  * Cape Point (R) departs at 10:00
>>  * Table Mountain to Seal Island. Departs at: 7:30am.
>
>> == Lunch Bag ==
>>
>> You can fetch your lunch pack at breakfast, it will be on a table.
>
> From Schedule:
> 07:30 - 09:30   Breakfast
>
> I hope the lunch bags will be ready earlier, or the breakfast start
> earlier, because it seems like we'll leave when breakfast starts?

Table Mountain leaves at 08:00 in order to have breakfast.

Fairie Glen can have their lunch packs for breakfast, there's
additional lunch included in the package. Wear good shoes, there's
some hiking.

B
>
> Cheers,
>
>  Solveig
>
> PS: Thanks again pollito and the wonderful organizers for the wonderful
> event and the jokes :)
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] France vs Iceland : Euro cup

[Bernelle Verster]

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Zlatan Todoric  wrote:
>
>
> On 07/03/2016 01:59 AM, Julien Fortin wrote:
>> Where can we watch the game tomorrow night? Sunday 9PM
>>
>> Is the organization planning on a live stream or something like that?
>
> UCT Pub, live streaming at 9pm and as Icelander fan I asked for *much*
> better audio than usual - we will get some great atmosphere tomorrow.
>
> Go Vikings (or something like that)

Semi-related:
The tennis pub near Menzies is open between 12:00 and 17:00.

>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Julien.
>>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] iThemba Labs Tour

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

Now confirmed:
Expect one 40 seater bus to arrive at UCT Club (lunch venue).

Departing around 1pm.

Cost: R120 per person, to be paid to Graham Inggs (or his minions).



On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Stefano Rivera  wrote:
> Hi Jonathan (2016.06.29_14:37:02_+0200)
>> == iThemba Labs Tour ==
>
> This is now scheduled for 2pm tomorrow (Friday). A bus is being
> organised. I guess it'll leave from the club, somewhere around 1pm. So
> eat lunch early. There may still be some space for signup.
>
>> Sign up here:
>> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/iThembaLabsTour
>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] 5km parkrun: Saturday morning 8:00am

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Bernelle Verster <bernel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Eugene Zhukov <eug...@debian.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Bernelle Verster <bernel...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
 We will leave Fuller at around 7:35am.

>>>
>>> There are several parkrun routes in Cape Town and surrounds:
>>> http://www.parkrun.co.za/events/
>>>
>>> It is always 5km, and it always starts at 8:00 am, and it's always on 
>>> Saturdays.
>>
>> Hi Bernelle,
>>
>> Since I'll arrive to Cape Town next Friday, I'd be interested in going
>> next Saturday. Let me know if you are going then.
>
> Yes, we go every week if we can.
>

It is with deep regret I realised that doing parkrun on the 2nd as
well as organising open fest may be a tad over-ambitious. You are all
of course still very welcome to go, but you'd need someone to get you
there, and then you'd have to rush back to attend the Open Fest, of
course!

I will certainly do parkrun on the 9th, and we would still have to
rush back for the last day of DebConf.

As you may have seen on IRC or other threads, I often have my dogs
with me and then want to walk them, these are organised ad hoc (and
almost exclusively communicated on IRC and by word-of-mouth), and may
be quite rushed during 'proper' DebConf, which may well involve some
running ;)

regards
B

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] DoubleTree Shuttle vs. a cab & Doubletree taxi-pooling plans?

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi Bradley

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Bradley M. Kuhn  wrote:
> Due to personal scheduling, I'm arriving a bit late to DebConf, on late
> Monday night (2016-07-04).
>
> I'm staying at the DoubleTree, so I'm writing for two pieces of
> advice/info:
>
>   * The DoubleTree has a shuttle from the airport for a reasonable
> price.  I'm wondering if I should take that rather than a cab, given
> the late hour (22:00) of my arrival.

In my experience it is always better to use the shuttles of
guesthouses/hotels than cabs. They are more reliable time-wise, and I
think may generally be cheaper too.

>
>   * Is anyone else staying at the DoubleTree interested in
> taxi-pooling together to/from the venue each day?  It would be good
> if we did that for efficiency, IMO.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Hiking Wednesday

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Bernelle Verster <bernel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> There's much talk of hiking going on, it's likely there's groups going
> today, tomorrow, various times, routes, lengths... This email is about
> only one of those groups...
>
> If you're keen for a fairly relaxed
 walk with dogs tomorrow morning, departing Fuller
> at 10:00,

We did a quick walk up to the Blockhouse yesterday.
A few pics here (I couldn't log in to gallery.dc.o, sorry):
https://plus.google.com/+BernelleVerster/posts/epgRBJgwWPu

It was quite steep, so I am willing to consider more options today,
arranged in decreasing effort required, depending on the group:
1. Uphill and on to the boardwalk (fairly identical uphill to the
Blockhouse route), head left towards Newlands and down and back
through the forest/plantation
2. Head south along UCT campus, past an abandoned zoo, following a
jeep track through Newlands plantation.
3. Head south along UCT campus, then head down and take the pedestrian
walkway next to the highway.

Or whatever else we decide.

I am still intending to leave at 10:00, in front of Fuller. I still
intend it to take about 2 hours (so turning back after 1 hour
regardless of how far we've gone) to be back in time for lunch (and
orga work...). I will take it as slow as the slowest members require,
and the dogs will join again.


>
> This route is a part of what we'll do:
> http://hike-cape-town.blogspot.co.za/2011/09/hike-newlands-forest-to-newlands-ravine.html
>
> Cheers
> B
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[Debconf-discuss] One bicycle, no lock, free to use for DebConfers

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi

I've brought my bike to DebConf for some reason.

If you wish to use it, please let me know.
It's old and not had a service in a while, and I don't know where my
lock is, but it's available.

Cheers
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[Debconf-discuss] Hiking Wednesday

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi

There's much talk of hiking going on, it's likely there's groups going
today, tomorrow, various times, routes, lengths... This email is about
only one of those groups...

If you're keen for a fairly relaxed (apart from the first half an hour
of straight uphill) walk with dogs tomorrow morning, departing Fuller
at 10:00, I'm going up to the blockhouse, and/or along the boardwalk
to come down in Newlands forest (it's mostly a plantation, but there
are bits of natural stuff). I'm flexible on start time, let me know
what works.

It's about 8km or so, and I hope to be back in time for lunch. I am
also happy to take it as slow as the group requires, and turning back
after an hour, regardless of where we get to.

I've put some details on the signup wiki for the hike (we'd be doing a
half route 2b sortof version), and I expect this hike to either
scratch an itch for people who want to do something else for the day
trip, or as a way to get an idea of how strenuous the day trip hike
would be.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DayTrip/Signup

This route is a part of what we'll do:
http://hike-cape-town.blogspot.co.za/2011/09/hike-newlands-forest-to-newlands-ravine.html

Cheers
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[Debconf-discuss] Discuss: where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware?

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

If you are interested in open hardware, please indulge me.
The context:
On our trip to the Honingklip brewery, Andy and I got talking about
open hardware, a big mutual passion. The conversation continued all
through the trip.

I would like to write this up as a blogpost, and a draft is copied below.

This email is mainly for Andy, Marc, Mark and Graham to give input,
but why not build on the discussion with the whole of DebConf?

The purpose of the blogpost is not to be decisive on an opinion, but
to give an idea of the tensions at play.

If there are other posts out there about this topic, I'd appreciate
links to them too.

(There is also a panel discussion on Saturday 2 July where we can pick
up on this more formally)

best regards
Bernelle

==

DebConf16: Where do you draw the line of "Open" in open hardware?

pre-amble - great beer at Honingklip, a brewery that is a good example
of open hardware. But what does this mean?

At the most basic level, it is about what is available. What is
manufactured, and how available are the units once these are not
manufactured commercially anymore?

There are different levels to consider, including the platform used
and the chip architecture.
The CPU (central processing unit), I/O (input/output)
The thing that it boots from, e.g. an ARM64 tech alpha instruction set.

The questions to ask when you need to determine your own level of "openness":
- At what level are you willing to buy it?
- Can I reproduce this at home? (And this is relative, comes back to
the question of, at what point am I willing to buy (some of) the
components?

Now the units are running stuff we can't even see, it is too complex to analyze.

What does it mean to be open?
- To be accessible, hackable
- To give a 'How To' manual with the hardware, to say what they did,
and how the user could do the same thing, explaining how it works.
- Open is about the idea that you can at least try to reproduce something.
- To share your design, and let other people comment on that design.

But, to implement the design, you need money. Hardware is different
from software in it's materiality. Software scales exponentially: once
you made something, you can sell every new unit with a very small
increase in cost. Hardware scales linearly. While the overall cost of
design per unit reduces with the more units you produce, there is
still a cost associated with each new unit produced. There is material
cost, and cost of production, time on a machine, electricity, labour,
shipping... There is a difference between 'telling' people something,
and 'giving' people something.

A challenge to hardware is that it is more and more integrated, and if
you want to do a thing, you need to pay someone to do it for you.

We then chatted about what to do about this. Appropriate level of
complexity is one clear argument.

There was talk about overspecification. The metaphor of music cassette
tapes were used: they are no longer made, but they may be appropriate
for simple applications.
You need, for example, a 74 series TTL to control temperature, an
Arduino is already much too complicated.

There was something about the difficulty of achieving/maintaining open
hardware standards, this was a more fuzzy second argument.

On the way back from Honingklip we spoke about that hardware always
forces a compromise. You can work, for example, on C++, but you still
need to rely on something else to compile it.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Laptop to give away @dc16: HP 630

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:26 PM, martin f krafft  wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I have a HP 630 notebook to give away. If someone wants to put it to
> good use to further Free Software, it's yours.
>
> http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-630-15-6-p-p6200-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-4-gb-ram-320-gb-hdd-series/specs/
>
> It's not a high-performance machine, nor is it light or very
> portable:
>
>   - Dual-core Intel Celeron @1.5GHz
>   - 4Gb RAM
>   - 300G harddrive
>   - HDMI, SD-MMC, VGA, LAN, USB, DVD-RAM
>   - US-English keyboard
>
> If you want it, drop me a line by Friday and I'll bring it along.

Please bring it, there are community groups here in Cape Town who can
use it if no one else wants it.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Open Weekend: 2 - 3 July 2016, Cape Town

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

The Open weekend is getting more structure. It is now called the Open
Festival :)
https://debconf16.debconf.org/open-festival/


On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Bdale Garbee <bd...@gag.com> wrote:
> Bernelle Verster <bernel...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Please add your thoughts, ideas, suggestions to the wiki page, or on
>> this thread, regardless of if you plan to attend or not.
>
> If you'd like me to reprise the 'Understanding Debian' talk I've given
> before at Debconf open days in various forms, let me know.  Wouldn't be
> hard for me to pull a fresh copy together, but I'm not excited about
> doing the work unless it's actually wanted.
>
> Another thought might be some sort of panel discussion with some of us
> crazy-long-timer Debian folks answering questions?  Some of my favorite
> Debconf memories are such Q sessions, like the one we had in Brazil
> that Amaya and others reminded me of in the wake of Ian's passing.

bdale's suggestion of a panel discussion was met with much excitement.

We are planning two panel discussions for Saturday, 2 July, in the
morning before the job fair, targeted to (at least include)
non-technical audience, with possibly a panel discussion towards the
end of DebConf catering to the more technical Debianites.

The first is a panel discussion about open hardware, that Andy
Simpkins and I got very excited about last Saturday. It would be great
to have more people on that panel - we were thinking e.g. Steve
McIntyre, noodles, bdale (although bdale would then be in two panel
discussions back to back) and wookey (but wookey is not attending).
Please feel free to join in.
I expect this to be about 45 minutes to 1 hour.

The second is where I would love bdale to participate, if the offer
still stands? Our tentative title is "What is Open Source and how does
Debian fit in to that". Again, more panel members would be greatly
appreciated. I can coordinate the panel and make sure that us noobs
understand (at least some of the) content :)
I expect this to be 30 to 45 minutes in length.

Then the panel discussion towards the end which I think would be
really valuable and enjoyable as a way to close DebConf?

Please direct general input to -discuss, and specific input to the
relevant people only.

regards
B

>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] 5km parkrun: Saturday morning 8:00am

[Bernelle Verster]

hi

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Eugene Zhukov <eug...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Bernelle Verster <bernel...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Graham (ginggs) and myself (indiebio) and my two dogs are avid
>> parkrunners. We are going to the Greenpoint parkrun tomorrow, and will
>> have space for about 4 more people to join by car (we're both taking
>> cars, for this purpose). We will leave Fuller at around 7:35am.
>>
>> We are very slow (about 42 minutes for 5km!), so don't let any
>> perceptions of fitness or speed put you off. (Conversely, you don't
>> need to stay with us the whole way either ;) )
>>
>> There are several parkrun routes in Cape Town and surrounds:
>> http://www.parkrun.co.za/events/
>>
>> It is always 5km, and it always starts at 8:00 am, and it's always on 
>> Saturdays.
>
> Hi Bernelle,
>
> Since I'll arrive to Cape Town next Friday, I'd be interested in going
> next Saturday. Let me know if you are going then.

Yes, we go every week if we can.

>
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[Debconf-discuss] 5km parkrun: Saturday morning 8:00am

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi

Graham (ginggs) and myself (indiebio) and my two dogs are avid
parkrunners. We are going to the Greenpoint parkrun tomorrow, and will
have space for about 4 more people to join by car (we're both taking
cars, for this purpose). We will leave Fuller at around 7:35am.

We are very slow (about 42 minutes for 5km!), so don't let any
perceptions of fitness or speed put you off. (Conversely, you don't
need to stay with us the whole way either ;) )

There are several parkrun routes in Cape Town and surrounds:
http://www.parkrun.co.za/events/

It is always 5km, and it always starts at 8:00 am, and it's always on Saturdays.

We like Greenpoint as it's one of the prettiest, with views of the sea
in places and Lion's head in the backdrop, and most of the route is in
a public park. You can also get there by train and walking the Fanwalk
(about another 2.6km one way), but then I would suggest leaving much
earlier to get there in time (07:00 or earlier).

http://www.parkrun.co.za/greenpoint/
http://www.parkrun.co.za/greenpoint/course/

If there is a monstrously positive response I can try organise a shuttle.

regards
Bernelle

P.S. Rondebosch Commons is much closer if you want to get to a parkrun
on foot from UCT, but it's boring as hell.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Tennis courts

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi Lucas

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Lucas Nussbaum <lu...@debian.org> wrote:
> On 22/06/16 at 16:32 +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Carter <jcar...@linux.com> wrote:
>> > Hey Wouter
>> >
>> > On 01/06/2016 17:47, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I noticed a while back on the photo of the campus that there are tennis
>> >> courts on-campus not too far from the buildings where debconf will be.
>> >>
>> >> I love playing tennis (although I'm not terribly good at it), so it'd be
>> >> great if I could play a game or two against whoever is interested.
>> >
>> >
>> > Started a wiki page for this so that others can easily find this 
>> > information
>> > too as it becomes available:
>> >
>> > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Tennis
>>
>> Tennis wiki updated
>
> I see that page says: The cafe is open from 9:30 am to 9pm.
>
> Is there a "social" place where people could gather in the evenings, to
> drink beers, play poker or other games, watch Euro soccer games, etc.?

TLDR; Yes, the UCT Pub (see your welcome pdf).

We have the pleasant problem of having two alternatives now with
people serving us food and beer. The UCT pub is where we get food
during DebCamp and where the default socialising takes place. While
the pub itself is cozy, there is a large room with seating and plugs
for hacking, and a pool/billiard room, IIRC.

We also booked the common rooms in Fuller residence, where you can do
stuff, but there isn't beer on tap and you have to sort your own food
out.

I am biased towards the new alternative, the tennis club cafe
mentioned here, that is most pleasant if the weather is good, is right
next to the tennis courts, is en route for hiking, and closest to
Menzies (albeit uphill), where the main conference is held. My bias is
also that I can bring my dogs if we use them, but if there are too few
of us they might not want to stay open. IF there are many of us that
frequent them, they will likely stay open later than 9pm, we'll have
to play it by ear, I guess. The other complication is that if it's
cold at night and everyone wants to be inside, there's only about
space for 20 or so people...

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Tennis courts

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Carter  wrote:
> Hey Wouter
>
> On 01/06/2016 17:47, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>>
>> I noticed a while back on the photo of the campus that there are tennis
>> courts on-campus not too far from the buildings where debconf will be.
>>
>> I love playing tennis (although I'm not terribly good at it), so it'd be
>> great if I could play a game or two against whoever is interested.
>
>
> Started a wiki page for this so that others can easily find this information
> too as it becomes available:
>
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Tennis

Tennis wiki updated
:)

>
> -Jonathan
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Hepatitis A" vaccination recommendation was Re: Water supply at the venue

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On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:05 PM, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> at bottom :-
>
> On 14/06/2016, Julian Andres Klode  wrote:
>
>> Just to add: A "Hepatitis A" vaccination is recommended for South
>> African cities (at least in Germany it's recommended). It has a
>> tendency to spread with water.
>>
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> Dear Julian,
> This whole thread was crucial. The South African DHA-84 Form 11 which
> I filled recommended to get "Hepatitis A" vaccination done only if you
> are going to stay in South Africa for more than 3 months.
>
> With your insight/knowledge I did take the vaccine today as its better
> to take it rather than give opportunity to get sick while traveling
> due to water, something as severe as  "Hepatitis A" which spreads with
> water. although will be sticking with bottled water or filtered water
> as much as possible.
>
> I would suggest to put out a mass e-mail as this in the other
> attendees interest to get vaccinated.

The serious reply: While you should be fine, in a large city with
reliable services, in South Africa, I think getting a Hep A
vaccination is a good thing in general. I think South African citizens
get these as babies. I had one in 2012 again, but only because I work
on a sewage works.

Most of the water-related diseases in the south of the continent is
only hazardous on long term exposure without alternative clean
drinking water, which is where the 'more than 3 months' thing comes
in. Going hiking in remote parts, and similar activities (like, maybe
attending a conference?) is still fine, you may just get a runny tummy
for a day or two.

The joking reply: Shirish, surely nothing in South Africa is as bad as
a Delhi-belly???
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa

[Bernelle Verster]

hi

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
 wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-06-15 12:08:01 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
>>> only the hash of the document containing all the fingerprints
>>> will be read aloud (ideally by everyone reading a single number
>>> (*) of the hash), not everyones fingerprint.
>>>
>>> (*) numbers obviously include ABCDEF.
>>
>> Well, the email also had a link explaining the proceedings as
>> everyone reads their own key.
>>
>> Anyway, if it's just the master fingerprint, could that be done
>> more than once?
>
> Yes! We'll kindly ask the organizers to read and project it every
> morning.

I've noted this for discussion at the meeting, to assign it as a daily
job in a reliable way. thanks.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa

[Bernelle Verster]

hi

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Julian Andres Klode  wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 08:21:36AM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 08:29:51PM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
>> > [0] https://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc16/ksp-dc16.html
>>
>> I'd probably participate if I could send my key with gpg --send-keys
>> $special_keyserver like it is done at other key signing parties prepared
>> by other DDs.
>>
>> [0] just describes sending the keys in ways which wont work with my mail
>> setup and I cannot be bothered to figure it out, so no key signing party
>> at dc16 for me…
>>
>> And then I wonder, when will the party take place anyway,
>> https://debconf16.debconf.org/schedule/ does not list it :(
>
> I'd say: Always, like last year?

That's correct, there is no formally allocated time. you're welcome to
arrange something if you want a specific time though.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Water supply at the venue

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi Sven



On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Sven Bartscher  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I remember reading that tap water is not generally drinkable in South
> Africa (unfortunately I don't remember where).

Water is drinkable in the towns and metropolitan areas, regardless of
what some people may tell you.

http://www.southafrica.net/za/en/travel-tips/entry/travel-tip-drinking-water

>
> So now I'm wondering how much I need to worry about getting water. Can
> I just drink tap water (that's what I'm used to) or should I buy
> bottled water?

But, in the Fuller residence where most of the attendees are staying
there are two confirmed water fountains with chilled, filtered water.
We are not producing water bottles this year, so please remember to
bring your own.

Most shops sell water for those afflicted souls who want bottled
water. (As a water engineer I get pissed off at such frivolity)

regards
B

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] status of the showmebox initiative ?

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi Shirish

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:04 PM, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to know the what is the status quo of the showmebox
> initiative that Bernelle had. Has there been any participation either
> locally or internationally for the showmebox initiative or has this
> been deferred ?
>
> I ask as I saw https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay and
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware and neither
> of the two mention the showmebox initiative anywhere.
>
> If there is or has been participation, please let me know and put it
> up on either of the two wikis which will also inspire/goad me into
> getting touch with the open data folks and trying to get them to
> contribute some small/big visualization for the initiative.

The ShowMeBox is doing well under development, but we are moving it to
a more long term project. due to lack of time and resources we decided
not to do a dedicated initiative at DebConf. I did ask Graham (ginggs)
who is involved to have a table and hack away at it during Open
Weekend, and if you want to source some visualisation data to play
with, you are very welcome. The focus is now shifting to use DebConf
to let people know about this open hardware / visualisation project.

You can see discussions on the mailing list archive:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/showme-devel/

and this link is on the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox

I am in the process of updating the wiki and content for the main
website regarding the Open Weekend.

>
> Looking forward to know.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] clothes, dress code for debconf

[Bernelle Verster]

Thanks cate

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Giacomo Catenazzi <c...@debian.org> wrote:
>
>> On 11 Jun 2016, at 12:36, Bernelle Verster <bernel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi shirish
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can somebody share some guidelines for debconf. I know it is and can
>>> be a touchy subject as clothes are pretty much a combination of
>>> personal styles and the culture where we come from. But if there any
>>> guidelines, would be good to know and share. For Indians, for example
>>> I can share that it probably would be a good idea to have either thick
>>> cotton t-shirts just to make sure that you don't get cold. Have no
>>> idea about t-shirts, three-fourths, shorts, tank tops, trousers and
>>> all the different clothes which make a person unique.
>>>
>>> Looking for guidance, will also help in making correct choices, both
>>> for the conference as well as going out into the city.
>>
>> DebConf is a 'anything goes' conference, you can be as formal or
>> informal as you like, you'd probably get away with being naked too.
>> Most attend in 'geek gear': cargo shorts and a T-shirt, but it's
>> really up to you, wear what is comfortable and reflects your person.
>> Some like to dress fancy, really, anything goes. As was discussed on
>> the team T-shirt thread, natural fibres are more odour absorbent and
>> keeps one comfortable for longer. DebConf days are never-ending and
>> full of concentration and activity, so dress for that.
>>
>
> Some addition to Bernelle reply:
>
> Debian and DebConf is very respectful of personal choices and life style.
>
> So any dress (or lack of it) is accepted, as long it is not done as a pure 
> provocation. But venues could restrict our liberal dress code (it happens, 
> but it is seldom).

Good point. Venues at UCT and most of South Africa are fine as long as
it is not provocative, especially in the racist sense.

As an example of what can be worn, Laugh It Off was a company that
made cheeky shirts. It is acceptable to wear these anywhere:
http://www.springleap.com/blog/laugh-it-off-funny-t-shirts/ (I guess
many of these are very local)
http://mg.co.za/article/2005-05-27-laugh-it-off-wins-case-against-sab
their website seems to be down: www.laughitoff.co.za

>
> Traditionally we have people walking bare foot, other people going without 
> shirts, and nobody complained. These people were having normal discussion 
> with other people with formal dressing (we have also people who prefer to 
> wear formal dress). Most of attendees will wear t-shirt (and many t-shirts 
> are Debian, DebConf or free software related).
>
> Because of DebConf 7 and the official kilt in that conference, some attendees 
> wear at DebConfs the Debian kilt. (Good people doesn’t ask if they wear 
> something under it).
>
> So, the general rule: wear what you like. Nobody will be too formal or not 
> enough formal for any part of DebcConf (as speaker, as attendee, for 
> conference dinner, etc.).
>
>
> To visit town, or if UCT have additional restriction, I leave the answer to 
> Bernelle (which I think already answered it).

Barefeet is allowed - I seldom wear shoes :) I do keep a pair of shoes
in my bag, but have maybe needed to put them on once or twice before
going into the more fancy restaurants. Winter is cold and in my old
age I tend to wear shoes sometimes now.

People will have no problem with seeing people in kilts, or people
they would label as male in female dress, or vice versa, or very
colourful clothes... I think nudity may offend some, but I don't know
if they would take action or let you know. So if you do choose to go
naked, please pack some clothes in case.

>
> ciao
> cate
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] clothes, dress code for debconf

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi shirish

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have made a link for clothing in debconf in logistics. I tried to
> figure out if there was something in either the debconf-discuss or
> debconf-team archives but was only able to dig out past threads,
> nothing about the current event. And I don't want to blindly re-use
> the instructions which were there in some other event as local culture
> and people who are hosting us would probably be better to guide us.

I don't think this is particularly necessary, but maybe a link, or
point somewhere that says not to worry is good. :)
>
> Can somebody share some guidelines for debconf. I know it is and can
> be a touchy subject as clothes are pretty much a combination of
> personal styles and the culture where we come from. But if there any
> guidelines, would be good to know and share. For Indians, for example
> I can share that it probably would be a good idea to have either thick
> cotton t-shirts just to make sure that you don't get cold. Have no
> idea about t-shirts, three-fourths, shorts, tank tops, trousers and
> all the different clothes which make a person unique.
>
> Looking for guidance, will also help in making correct choices, both
> for the conference as well as going out into the city.

DebConf is a 'anything goes' conference, you can be as formal or
informal as you like, you'd probably get away with being naked too.
Most attend in 'geek gear': cargo shorts and a T-shirt, but it's
really up to you, wear what is comfortable and reflects your person.
Some like to dress fancy, really, anything goes. As was discussed on
the team T-shirt thread, natural fibres are more odour absorbent and
keeps one comfortable for longer. DebConf days are never-ending and
full of concentration and activity, so dress for that.

As for South African culture, we're an odd combination of prudish and
open... For the sake of the conference, you could still get away with
most things, but if you lived here it may eventually wear you down.
The more affluent areas of Cape Town, which is where the conference
will be held, is probably the most liberal place in (South) Africa,
and anything will be embraced, clothing wise. I guess covering up a
bit more is respectful to the more traditional people, but as for
colours and textures, and styles, anything goes. Especially if
accompanied by a warm smile!

Weather wise, T-shirts are invaluable. It can get cold, but more often
than not it's a balmy 15 - 20 degrees Celsius, sunny and windless -
perfect working weather! When it's cold it's a type of wet, muggy
cold. I would suggest layers of thinner, 'undershirt' / T-shirty
materials, a light fleece-type thing or jersey, maybe a bigger jacket
or windbreaker and then a scarf and beanie does a lot of good, rather
than one piece of bulk clothing (because then you'll either be too hot
or too cold and never just right).

Hope this helps, if so please add to the wiki.





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[Debconf-discuss] DebConf16 Merch, especially stickers

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

I am trying to organise some stickers for sale/giveaway during DebConf.

I'm not too bothered about you bringing stickers and sorting yourself
out, but I would love to have a few swirls at least, for sale (to
cover cost of printing). It may be nice to have a record of them for
attendees, but it's up to you.

Can you please help me with information on amounts, quality, image
source files of stickers on the wiki?

At this stage it's a wishlist, so anything goes, if there's other
merch you want to investigate, list them as well.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Merch

regards
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

I wrote up this thread into the wiki, please edit, add, remove as you wish.

This is for something open hardware /embedded systems related at the
Open Weekend at DebConf16. Whatever you want to happen, put it on the
wiki, and I'll try to make it happen. :)

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware

cheers
B

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Paul Wise  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:
>
>> actually the Pyra should have the same hardware modem isolation that the
>> Neo900 has, but I can't find the precise quote about it on the forums.
>
> I asked about it on IRC a while ago and was told that the isolation
> would be the same but that all the monitoring and other features would
> be only present in the Neo900:
>
> https://neo900.org/faq#privacy
> https://neo900.org/resources (see the talks)
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[Debconf-discuss] Posters at DebConf16

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi all

We hope to display some Debian posters at DebConf, this is not
dependent on your actual attendance!

More info, and to list your poster for inclusion:
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay/Posters

Please feel free to add suggestions, comments by replying to me
directly or adding to the wiki.

Michael Hanke, Yaroslav Halchenko, can I get permission to use this
poster: http://neuro.debian.net/_files/NeuroDebian_SfN2010.png and if
yes, is this the latest version?

best regards
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] FYI: Terror warning for Cape Town

[Bernelle Verster]

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Wookey  wrote:
> On 2016-06-05 18:07 +, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>> On 05/06/2016, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> > see
>> > http://www.statista.com/statistics/193533/growth-of-global-air-traffic-passenger-demand/
>
> Whilst this is a good thing from the POV of demonstrating
> lack-of-cowedness from terrorism, it is a very bad thing from the POV
> of preserving a functioning atmosphere (demonstrating that not enough
> people have yet understood the implications of just carrying on making
> the problem worse).
>
> A succinct explanation of the problem from Kevin Anderson:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF1zNpzf8RM

Thanks for that link Wookey.

In the interest of transparency, a local analysis of these threats:
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2016-06-06-terror-warnings-is-south-africa-really-an-islamic-state-target/


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Bernelle Verster]

thanks Shirish

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:02 AM, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> at bottom :-
>
> On 02/06/2016, Bernelle Verster <bernel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan
>> <contactkeerth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility
>>> of
>>> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together?
>>
>> I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a
>> Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of
>> requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would
>> include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc
>> as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I
>> can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull
>> together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great
>> to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would
>> sell the idea well)
>>
>> Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be
>> prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and
>> nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a
>> wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please?
>> Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ?
>>
>
> Dear Bernelle,
>
> The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been
> working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would
> be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy and
> which would require lot more work.

Jonas is also a purist, which is great, but I think in this context
and with the time limit, we need to look at what is agreeable without
being too ideological. Have a look at the ShowMeBox stuff, Jonas and
others did a lot of work there. Unfortunately the ShowMeBox as it is
currently envisaged may not make it to DebConf16, but this idea may
incorporate some of it.
https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox

>
> Having said that, have made a crude page at
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware
>
> Most of the contestants are from https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn
>
> Apart form the wired and wireless routers, there have been these
> smartwatches and all which probably also could be made to work. There
> is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think
> a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in
> Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active.
> 
>
> Even if we can have a showcase of Android variants like Replicant and
> f-droid and conversations around them, that might get some interest
> going and I'm sure most DD's would have one or the other device which
> has them. The same would be of most GNU/Linux groups as well. If we
> are able to get some tablets hands-on even those will be good.

I think the goal here would be to play, and get broader interest in
hacking, open hardware. After the Open Weekend, this can become more
technical and purist :)
>
> Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125)
> budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to
> Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ?
>
>
>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[Bernelle Verster]

hi

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan
 wrote:
> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility of
> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together?

I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a
Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of
requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would
include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc
as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I
can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull
together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great
to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would
sell the idea well)

Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be
prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and
nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a
wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please?
Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ?

>
> On 2 June 2016 at 05:03, shirish शिरीष  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Warning - Would be slightly longish mail. Apologies for noise.
>>
>> Maybe it's too late in the day but for quite sometime I had been
>> thinking/dreaming if we could have/show-cased Debian running on
>> various hardware doing different things, unusual things . While Debian
>> on the desktop, workstation and server and Debian on ARM is somewhat
>> known there are and would probably be some unusual devices where
>> Debian or a sub-set/blend is used.
>>
>> For instance, Debian-Edu would be a good candidate to share and
>> showcase as well as Debian Med and other such blends which run/use
>> specific hardware which ties in debian, for instance the galileo
>> package which just entered Debian archive just today which works with
>> 'fitbit' devices (have no idea what they are.).
>>
>> There would also be quite some equipment which probably is integrated
>> or in process of being integrated/reverse-engineered which people
>> would love to see.
>>
>> IIRC, even HP one of the main sponsors of debconf, is/was bringing out
>> 'The Machine'  although later we don't know what is happening to it,
>>
>> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/207897-hp-kills-the-machine-repurposes-design-around-conventional-technologies
>>
>> One of the DD's was working with HP 'The Machine' project. I also
>> remember that some VR packages were made for Debian (and are the
>> archive I *think*) , it would be good/nice if are able to try out HP's
>> backpack for VR
>>
>> http://www.in.techradar.com/news/gaming/HP-and-MSIs-backpacks-put-a-new-spin-on-VR/articleshow/52467485.cms
>> and see what can be worked within the Debian universe.
>>
>> Similarly as there would be kids (as well as big kids/adults) who
>> might like to blow off steam once in a while, we could have few
>> systems where we have games like 0ad or/and vdrift, supertuxkart among
>> others who could get some potential new users while having good PR for
>> Debian too.
>>
>> The only downside I see here is that we would need slightly large
>> number of volunteers than some of the other choices that indiebio has
>> outlined. https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay
>>
>> What do people think/make of above ?
>> --
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Tennis courts

[Bernelle Verster]

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 16:47, Wouter Verhelst  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I noticed a while back on the photo of the campus that there are tennis
>> courts on-campus not too far from the buildings where debconf will be.
>>
>> I love playing tennis (although I'm not terribly good at it), so it'd be
>> great if I could play a game or two against whoever is interested.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. Do we have access to these courts? This doesn't have to be for free;
>>I'm happy to pay if needs be--although if we *can* use these courts
>>for free, that would obviously be awesome ;-)

I am finding out, and will hopefully be able to share contact details
so you can arrange directly.
FWIW, the contact person's email domain I have links to this site:
http://sinnetita.com/capetown.sinnetita.com/

>> 2. Is there anyone else who would like to play?
>> 3. If there are enough people answering in the affirmative to 2., and
>>the price for a court is not too high (or we get the courts for
>>free), how would people feel about a little tournament?
>>
>
> I can be tempted to play a few sets. I wouldn't want to bring tennis
> racket and balls, are those available for hire?

I asked this as well.

>
> Regards,
>
> Dimitri.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> < ron> I mean, the main *practical* problem with C++, is there's like a dozen
>>people in the world who think they really understand all of its rules,
>>and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too.
>>  -- #debian-devel, OFTC, 2016-02-12
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[Debconf-discuss] Debian Open Weekend: 2 - 3 July 2016, Cape Town

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi

Please add your thoughts, ideas, suggestions to the wiki page, or on
this thread, regardless of if you plan to attend or not.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDayMessy

We will start finalising things by next week (around 13 May), so
general major bikeshedding only until then, please.

Thanks
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Money matters and air travel queries - 1 -2 stops and being in South Africa morning or afternoon.

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi shirish, all

Thanks for working this into a wiki.


> If time is not a BIG issue, land at Johannesburg & take train to Cape
> Town. Very cheap deal. [I evaluated this option for me virtually ;-) ]
> Yeah it's approximately 1300 kilometers 1 way journey, but that's
> again if you have time & interested to explore South Africa ^_^
> South African trains should be fun but they looks expensive unlike
> Indian trains :-) [ Must be fast & air con trains.]

I love taking the train - shozoloza https://www.shosholozameyl.co.za/,
but delays of about 8 hours are common, making it about a 30 hour
journey one way. It is a great way to see South Africa cheaply, and
feel the local vibes. Overall I would say though that unless you have
a connecting flight from JHB to CPT (I think those are the airport
abbreviations) or LOTS of time, then it becomes a schlep. Unless you
have about a week to get down to Cape Town, it really is logistically
difficult, and undue stress, so try to get directly into Cape Town.

>
>>
>> b. The other most common layover is Addis Ababa Bole International
>> Airport of Ethiopia
>>7
>
> Ethiopian air is having some good offers recently for flights
> originating from Mumbai to African countries via Addis Ababa.

I've also recently landed in Nairobi on a connecting flight using KLM,
and it was fine. Doha, Dubai are other common connecting flights.
>
>>
>> It would be nicer if one of the cheaper flights makes the cut so
>> somebody else or it could be used to make debconf more awesome.
>
> Check if any1 driving from Johannesburg to Cape Town or from
> Bloemfontein to Cape Town. [carpool]

This is an option, yes.
>

>> In case of a long layover, for budget/economy travelers are there any
>> budget choices for storage lockers and having bit of sleep, food and
>> freshening up before the next leg of the journey.
>
> Don't expect much from airports in East & Central Africa. [No
> intention to start any fury but honest opinion.]
> Once upon time Indian airports were also like a bus station. :-D

+ 1. Travel light, bring a pillow and rough it :)
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian wine, again?

[Bernelle Verster]

Hi Hideki

I think beer would be a better bet :) I say this tongue in cheek as my
personal preference is beer, but I do have two other reasons for
saying this:

1. I don't know any winemakers in SA who are passionate about Debian
or open source generally, mainly because I don't know winemakers. But
I'm sure the community can rustle someone up.

2. Many of our open source community members (specifically in the Cape
Linux Users Group are avid beer brewers. One, Honingklip [1] brewery's
Mark Ter Morshuizen even made it his day-job. We have a local brewing
club in the Cape, called the South-Yeasters, and they have an annual
competition to make interesting beers. So we could brew a Debian beer,
have a few requirements and let the brewers come up with their
offerings. The logo design on its own would intrigue me!

E.g. the beer could be an amber ale (to go with Debian red) ... , it
has to be an open source recipe ... I dunno, something like that.

Then we could have a tasting fest on the Sunday that DebConf starts
(the 3rd of July)?

[1] - http://www.honingklip.co.za/

Cheers
Bernelle (indiebio)
in Sunny South Africa (on the DC16 orga team)

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Hideki Yamane  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  I bought Debian wine @Debconf9 in Spain, and wonder there would be
>  another Debconf wine in "winelands" beautiful South Africa :)
>
> --
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>
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