Re: Call for bids for DebConf24
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 02:41:41PM +0530, Badri Sunderarajan wrote: > Debconf is Debconf; it doesn't require any other labels to describe it ;) This. -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: Decision making in Debian
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 08:57:44AM +, stefa...@debian.org wrote: > Hi Neil (2022.07.16_03:19:27_+) > > In fact, the reason that things did not progress was due to the massive > > amount of stop energy at trying to improve our processes. I simply gave > > up in engaging with Debian rather than trying to push for what I (still) > > believe will improve engagement with new maintainers. > > Yeah, that's where getting things done in Debian gets less fun :( Jut for the record, replacing the Mailing Lists with some Web-based solution would have made Debian less fun for me. I could go on with some other things that HAVE made Debian less fun for me. You cannot always win. The key is to stay even IF not everything goes the way you like. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: Decision making in Debian
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:55:20AM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > On the debian.net domain, volunteers in the project can host services not > run by our official system administrators. One such site is > https://surveys.debian.net/ - which can be used if someone wants more > feedback in order to make a decision that doesn't need an official > project-wide vote (or where we wouldn't require membership for a vote). An > example of this is the artwork selection for each release There is never a day without learning. I have been a DD for more than 20 years now, and I didn't know that surveys.debian.net is being used to decide on the artwork. Does the service have a possibility to send me e-mail when a new survey becomes available? I tend not to look a "random" pages regularly just to see whether there is somehing relevant for me. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events"
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 04:45:06PM +, Chris Lamb wrote: > Chris didn't, actually. Thanks for the clarification. I apologize. > might trigger an interesting discussion. It did, IMO. > I am therefore somewhat taken aback that so many people could think I > would — or even could — enforce this as a concrete plan. I certainly > always interpreted "rule" here in the loose sense of "as a rule, I have > coffee in the morning..." There is a difference between self-imposed rules and rules set by $AUTHORITY. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events"
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 03:10:45PM +, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > Chris Lamb wrote: > > There was absolutely no question of enforcement — I was using the > > word "rule" in an completely informal manner. > > I agree, this seemed to me like something Mark initially > misinterpreted. Kind of intentionally, since Chris clearly wanted to word something that he wants people to do. The expectation alone decreases my comfort level, even if it's not a "rule" in the hard meaning. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: Being nice to introverts/the highly sensitive (was Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events")
Hi, the following is happily based on my personal feelings and my personal experience. Please be sure not to generalize. On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:03:23PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > I am someone who has no real barriers talking to new people (except a > little when they have famous names like "Russ Allbery" ;)) and having > always been like this, I am not able to imagine myself as someone who > finds meeting new people difficult. > > Further, in my day-to-day life I am in a culture -- a university -- > where the norm is to assume that nobody is uncomfortable talking to new > people, and if they seem like they are uncomfortable, it's quite > acceptable to just pretend that they're not (I'm neither endorsing nor > criticising that culture here). Doesn't a University have its fair share of socially dysfunctional nerds as well (me partly being one of them because I am usually perceived as somebody very talkative and extroverted but I'm really not)? > Given the above, at DebConf17 -- my first free software conference -- I > sometimes worried that I had imposed myself on others by > enthusiastically and expectantly introducing myself and asking them > about themselves. By 'expectantly' I mean that I approached them in a > way that might make them feel obligated to respond with a similar level > of energy. This is not a reasonable nor a kind demand to make of > someone who has difficulty meeting new people. You'll never know how the messages you send are received. The only way you'll notice is carefully watching your counterpart and reacting reasonably on signs of uneasiness. For example, I have difficulties to maintain eye contact when I'm uncomfortable (which is why I love having such conversations in the dark or in the car where I have an excuse to look on the street instead of the eyes). > 1) am I right that those of us who have no difficulty with new people >need not worry about those introverts/etc. who make it clear that >they know how to look after themselves viz-à-viz their >introversion/etc.? Or are there steps we can take? > > 2) for those people who have difficulty with new people but are /not/ >like you -- do not have techniques to handle their energy levels; not >fully aware of how they are -- what can those of us who have no >difficulty with new people do to avoid imposing ourselves upon them? It is hard to give universal advice. Generally, I believe that self-care and self-protection is the job of each individual hirself. You can only look for signs of uneasiness and discomfort and ask your counterpart about this if you think that this might be the case. IMO, it's your counterpart's obligation to either retreat or to voice the uneasiness. Personally, I can be quite happy on conferences quietly dragging myself from talk to talk while avoiding the small-talk situations between events. Heck, I even have days where I avoid my own filter-bubble because I simply don't feel like communicating - I spent the entirety of 33c3 being "alone among ten thousand people" while not talking to anybody. And I still tremendously enjoyed being there and had the opportunity to re-charge my batteries while being - silently - among my own peers. Feeling even a remote suggestion of authorities to "please try to meet at least n new people each day and get acquainted with each other" will greatly reduce these opportunities, because even if I continue doing things "my way" it will increase my feeling of inadequateness, just because a loud small group of easy-going extroverts want to force their way of life upon me and suggest that my way is inferior in some way without actually saying so. > (I'm deliberately avoiding the term 'extrovert' because (i) I am really > not sure what it means; and (ii) I want to discuss a much more specific > dichotomy which is probably not all of extroversion, namely "those who > have no difficulty with new people" / "those who do".) Well done. I didn't manage that, so please take me using "extrovert" and "introvert" with a grain of salt. I myself am one who is not easily categorized by this metric. Greetigns Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: Being nice to introverts/the highly sensitive (was Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events")
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 08:32:07PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > I think «has difficulty meeting new people» feels like a crude > approximation. To me, it depends a lot on the person and the context and > probably the time of day, the moon phase and the colour of the > neighbour's cat. I'm terrible at small talk (both in the «not good at» > sense, but also in that I find it draining), but if your and my > interests intersect, it's quite possible we'll be having interesting > conversations. Well said. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events"
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 04:23:01PM +, Chris Lamb wrote: > I'd like to propose a simple rule that we have at the events I run, > which I think makes inclusion easier for everyone. > > Leading to: > > The rule is: For every year you have attended the event, you should > try to meet that many new people each day. Make rules like you want, but don't think about enforcing that one. Having to ignore that rule it will people like myself feel comfortable already. I _do_ have days where I want to be in my comfort zone. Meeting new people keeps me on the edge, which is certainly well outside my comfort zone. Force me to stay out of my comfort zone, or try making me feel uncomfortable or guilty for staying in my personal comfort zone, and I'll stop attending. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
