Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes: On 07/22/2013 09:14 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: b) Badge holders The current idea is to buy 300 A7 badge holders from Roscheba [0], for roughly 126€, aka 160 CHF. [0] http://www.roscheba.de/product_info.php?info=p116 Apparently Holger might have a cheaper solution; Holger? these will have a clip. For 0.10 EUR more we get also a cord, so we could provide every attendees with two alternate way to wear badges, without logo. And they provide also the paper for badges: http://www.roscheba.de/product_info.php?info=p279 d) Design I intend to work on three generic designs: Organiser, Staff and Attendee, but the final layout will depend on the shape selected in c), above. AFAIK there was no personalisation used: photo and informations from penta, right? I think we need Name Surname email address [ev. also the IRC nickname (it is in penta)] + food so we don't have to distribute individual food tickets. Gaudenz I would use the same design for the free categories, but a different background color (and a simple line with Organizer, Volunteer). ciao cate ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
Hi all, following up on the discussion that happenned today on IRC, let me try to sommarize its origin and outcomes. The situation is that we need attendee badges for all sorts of reasons and the usual way to do that has been that the conference would provide these individual badges, the badges holders and lanyards (usually). As these three things are separate, let's try to keep them so. a) Lanyards One of our silver sponsors is apparently happy to provide enough branded (not Debian-branded, sponsor-branded) lanyards for everyone, for free. Given that they are a sponsor already, I think it's sane to let them provide the lanyards to the DebConf attendees. For reference, a similar offer has been made by a Bronze sponsor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard#Badge_or_identification_holder b) Badge holders The current idea is to buy 300 A7 badge holders from Roscheba [0], for roughly 126€, aka 160 CHF. [0] http://www.roscheba.de/product_info.php?info=p116 Apparently Holger might have a cheaper solution; Holger? c) Individual badges There are roughly two solutions there: strong credit-card format or paperboard. One concern that was rised was that it mattered to have two- sided badges Credit-card format: A Bronze sponsor is proposing us 0.30 CHF/item for one-sided blackwhite, or 0.65 CHF/item for one-sided colour. Paperboard: If we fold A6 in two, we can do 4 double-sided badges per A4 sheet printed only on one side (or 8 double-sided badges if we print on two sides, but it's trickier to succeed). The printing of such A4 sheets (that we can then cut ourselves) is likely to be around 30 CHF/item. I suggest to go with the second possibility. d) Design I intend to work on three generic designs: Organiser, Staff and Attendee, but the final layout will depend on the shape selected in c), above. AFAIK there was no personalisation used: photo and informations from penta, right? Thanks in advance, cheers, OdyX ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
Le lundi, 22 juillet 2013 21.14:51, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : Paperboard: If we fold A6 in two, we can do 4 double-sided badges per A4 sheet printed only on one side (or 8 double-sided badges if we print on two sides, but it's trickier to succeed). The printing of such A4 sheets (that we can then cut ourselves) is likely to be around 30 CHF/item. That was unclear + a typo; what I was trying to write is that printing strong A4 sheets is likely to cost 0.30 CHF/sheet. OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:44:09PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le lundi, 22 juillet 2013 21.14:51, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : Paperboard: If we fold A6 in two, we can do 4 double-sided badges per A4 sheet printed only on one side (or 8 double-sided badges if we print on two sides, but it's trickier to succeed). The printing of such A4 sheets (that we can then cut ourselves) is likely to be around 30 CHF/item. That was unclear + a typo; what I was trying to write is that printing strong A4 sheets is likely to cost 0.30 CHF/sheet. Excuse my ignorance, but would it be possible to print 2-sided and make 16 badges per A4 sheet? Many printers can easily accommodate 2-sided printing. -- -- Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net -- At times, you may end up far away from home; you may not be sure of where you belong, anymore. But home is always there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your passion takes you. --- J. Michael Straczynski ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:14:51PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Hi all, following up on the discussion that happenned today on IRC, let me try to sommarize its origin and outcomes. Thanks, OdyX. :) The situation is that we need attendee badges for all sorts of reasons and the usual way to do that has been that the conference would provide these individual badges, the badges holders and lanyards (usually). As these three things are separate, let's try to keep them so. a) Lanyards One of our silver sponsors is apparently happy to provide enough branded (not Debian-branded, sponsor-branded) lanyards for everyone, for free. Given that they are a sponsor already, I think it's sane to let them provide the lanyards to the DebConf attendees. For reference, a similar offer has been made by a Bronze sponsor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard#Badge_or_identification_holder Both sponsors are happy to send us some lanyards for free. They didn't suggest them, I solicited from *them* because I knew they had extras that weren't in use. Both sponsors are also happy to ship them to the conference, we just need an address where they can be received. Le Camp? Directly to one of you guys in Swissland? Taking into account some of the concerns voiced, I think having 2 different kinds of lanyards available +/- clips for those who feel that wearing such a lanyard is openly showing support for that corporation (which I disagree with, but such is the argument) is a suitable compromise. For those who prefer lanyards, they will be available. For those who don't, there would be some clips available, correct, Cate? -- -- Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net -- At times, you may end up far away from home; you may not be sure of where you belong, anymore. But home is always there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your passion takes you. --- J. Michael Straczynski ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:14:51PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Hi all, following up on the discussion that happenned today on IRC, let me try to sommarize its origin and outcomes. The situation is that we need attendee badges for all sorts of reasons and the usual way to do that has been that the conference would provide these individual badges, the badges holders and lanyards (usually). As these three things are separate, let's try to keep them so. a) Lanyards One of our silver sponsors is apparently happy to provide enough branded (not Debian-branded, sponsor-branded) lanyards for everyone, for free. Given that they are a sponsor already, I think it's sane to let them provide the lanyards to the DebConf attendees. For reference, a similar offer has been made by a Bronze sponsor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard#Badge_or_identification_holder As I've said on IRC, if the sponsors team decide to do a last minute promotion for a given sponsor I'd accept it, but personally I think this is not the best option at all. Given that branded-colored lanyards draw much attention I know many people who won't be happy using it, mainly if it has Ubuntu printed on it. So I'd leave this option as something option in the frontdesk for those who want to take one. There's an option raised by hug which would cost about CHF 700 to make it in time (CHF 2.46 per lanyard). They would be custom Debian lanyards with up to 4 colors. We could even make a bit more for selling (?) I think it's very valuable, since people use to save them to use in many others events, promoting the project in some way. I've experienced that in Brazil for many years and I still have mine. See an example (not me in the picture): http://www.flickr.com/photos/beraldoleal/5898404742/lightbox/ b) Badge holders The current idea is to buy 300 A7 badge holders from Roscheba [0], for roughly 126€, aka 160 CHF. [0] http://www.roscheba.de/product_info.php?info=p116 Apparently Holger might have a cheaper solution; Holger? Sounds good, and yes, it seems Holger has a cheaper option. c) Individual badges There are roughly two solutions there: strong credit-card format or paperboard. One concern that was rised was that it mattered to have two- sided badges Credit-card format: A Bronze sponsor is proposing us 0.30 CHF/item for one-sided blackwhite, or 0.65 CHF/item for one-sided colour. Paperboard: If we fold A6 in two, we can do 4 double-sided badges per A4 sheet printed only on one side (or 8 double-sided badges if we print on two sides, but it's trickier to succeed). The printing of such A4 sheets (that we can then cut ourselves) is likely to be around 30 CHF/item. I suggest to go with the second possibility. +1. d) Design I intend to work on three generic designs: Organiser, Staff and Attendee, but the final layout will depend on the shape selected in c), above. AFAIK there was no personalisation used: photo and informations from penta, right? I wouldn't trust penta for photos. Maybe name + nickname or email. We had country in the past, but I'm not sure if we want it. Regards, -- .''`. Tiago VazGPG : 1024D/A504FECA : :' : http://acaia.ca/~tiago XMPP : tiago at jabber.org `. `' tiago at debian.org IRC : tiago at OFTC `-Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal OS http://www.debian.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:56:04PM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:44:09PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le lundi, 22 juillet 2013 21.14:51, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : Paperboard: If we fold A6 in two, we can do 4 double-sided badges per A4 sheet printed only on one side (or 8 double-sided badges if we print on two sides, but it's trickier to succeed). The printing of such A4 sheets (that we can then cut ourselves) is likely to be around 30 CHF/item. That was unclear + a typo; what I was trying to write is that printing strong A4 sheets is likely to cost 0.30 CHF/sheet. Excuse my ignorance, but would it be possible to print 2-sided and make 16 badges per A4 sheet? Many printers can easily accommodate 2-sided printing. The options were: 4 double-sided badges, printed on one side of the paper and folded; or 8 double-sided badges, using both sides of the paper. So the 8-per-sheet is already printing double-sided. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:59:58PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:14:51PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: a) Lanyards As I've said on IRC, if the sponsors team decide to do a last minute promotion for a given sponsor I'd accept it, but personally I think this is not the best option at all. Given that branded-colored lanyards draw much attention I know many people who won't be happy using it, mainly if it has Ubuntu Or Intel. There would be Options. printed on it. I'd like to, again, note that this was not a suggestion by either sponsor, and neither sponsor is trying to get a higher sponsorship level with this. This was an attempt by me to save the DebConf organization some money since previous discussions of cost on various issues have caused anxiety. This is one of the things that I don't consider worth spending another 1000 CHF on, especially considering other things we have chosen, as a team, to not spend money on. So I'd leave this option as something option in the frontdesk for those who want to take one. There's an option raised by hug which would cost about CHF 700 to make it in time (CHF 2.46 per lanyard). They would be custom Debian lanyards with up to 4 colors. We could even make a bit more for selling (?) I think it's very valuable, since people use to save them to use in many others events, promoting the project in some way. I've experienced that in Brazil for many years and I still have mine. See an example (not me in the picture): http://www.flickr.com/photos/beraldoleal/5898404742/lightbox/ And this would be a great option, if we didn't have other budget concerns and arguments as is. I, personally, feel a good conference dinner and day trip is much more valuable than a lanyard. I, also, have a Debian lanyard from Brazil (somewhere in my house) that I've kept, but those were planned for and budgeted into DC4, which is not the case here. I think having them available for sale at the conference is worthy, and people could certainly buy one for 5 CHF (or whatever) if they'd prefer to have that over one of the free (yes, free. Logo or not, they cost the attendees nothing.) lanyards. But, I don't think we should expect everyone to purchase one either. I think this is an acceptable thing to have *in addition to the complimentarily provided lanyards*, but not something to expect attendees to purchase to be able to display their badges, nor the only option available. Patty -- -- Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net -- At times, you may end up far away from home; you may not be sure of where you belong, anymore. But home is always there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your passion takes you. --- J. Michael Straczynski ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:14:29PM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:59:58PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:14:51PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: a) Lanyards As I've said on IRC, if the sponsors team decide to do a last minute promotion for a given sponsor I'd accept it, but personally I think this is not the best option at all. Given that branded-colored lanyards draw much attention I know many people who won't be happy using it, mainly if it has Ubuntu Or Intel. There would be Options. printed on it. I'd like to, again, note that this was not a suggestion by either sponsor, and neither sponsor is trying to get a higher sponsorship level with this. This was an attempt by me to save the DebConf organization some money since previous discussions of cost on various issues have caused anxiety. This is one of the things that I don't consider worth spending another 1000 CHF on, especially considering other things we have chosen, as a team, to not spend money on. So I'd leave this option as something option in the frontdesk for those who want to take one. There's an option raised by hug which would cost about CHF 700 to make it in time (CHF 2.46 per lanyard). They would be custom Debian lanyards with up to 4 colors. We could even make a bit more for selling (?) I think it's very valuable, since people use to save them to use in many others events, promoting the project in some way. I've experienced that in Brazil for many years and I still have mine. See an example (not me in the picture): http://www.flickr.com/photos/beraldoleal/5898404742/lightbox/ And this would be a great option, if we didn't have other budget concerns and arguments as is. I, personally, feel a good conference dinner and day I also prefer a good conference dinner and day than a fancy lanyard, but I'd go without a luxurious dinner in a boat to save ~15k, as I've advocated to save ~5k on dishwashing. I would also be happy saving ~CHF700 on lanyards, but I think it's something that doesn't hurt the budget too much, mainly when considering the total price x benefits for the conference. trip is much more valuable than a lanyard. I, also, have a Debian lanyard from Brazil (somewhere in my house) that I've kept, but those were planned for and budgeted into DC4, which is not the case here. As I remember it was not in the DC4 budget, we had very cheap ones for that conference. I'm pretty sure it was an initiative from Debian-Brasil people. I think having them available for sale at the conference is worthy, and people could certainly buy one for 5 CHF (or whatever) if they'd prefer to have that over one of the free (yes, free. Logo or not, they cost the attendees nothing.) lanyards. gratis for promoting, a 'freeware' I'd say :) But, I don't think we should expect everyone to purchase one either. I think this is an acceptable thing to have *in addition to the complimentarily provided lanyards*, but not something to expect attendees to purchase to be able to display their badges, nor the only option available. All these priorities are very personal, so I don't think it worths to argue too much here, mainly considering that we are all trying to provide the best for our beloved debian people. Let's try to reach a consensus as we have done for other money issues. I keep thinking that such last minute promotion is a sensible decision to be made just for saving a little money. I'd like to hear from other people. Regards, -- .''`. Tiago VazGPG : 1024D/A504FECA : :' : http://acaia.ca/~tiago XMPP : tiago at jabber.org `. `' tiago at debian.org IRC : tiago at OFTC `-Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal OS http://www.debian.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges
On 07/22/2013 09:14 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: b) Badge holders The current idea is to buy 300 A7 badge holders from Roscheba [0], for roughly 126€, aka 160 CHF. [0] http://www.roscheba.de/product_info.php?info=p116 Apparently Holger might have a cheaper solution; Holger? these will have a clip. For 0.10 EUR more we get also a cord, so we could provide every attendees with two alternate way to wear badges, without logo. And they provide also the paper for badges: http://www.roscheba.de/product_info.php?info=p279 d) Design I intend to work on three generic designs: Organiser, Staff and Attendee, but the final layout will depend on the shape selected in c), above. AFAIK there was no personalisation used: photo and informations from penta, right? I think we need Name Surname email address [ev. also the IRC nickname (it is in penta)] I would use the same design for the free categories, but a different background color (and a simple line with Organizer, Volunteer). ciao cate ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
