Re: Bug#859262: Re: freezes Orca screen reader

[Paul Gevers]

Hi Samuel,

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 21:18:58 +0200 Paul Gevers  wrote:
> On 29-04-17 17:51, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > I believe I've already said this, but I'll say it again: Getting to the
> > bottom of the Synaptic and/or AT-SPI problem(s) should be done.
> 
> Do you think we should clone/open a bug for atspi? If so, what severity
> level (assuming we can get orca in shape to behave in the current case)?
> I would think the answer to the first question is yes, and to the second
> question normal (at least < RC if we can fix Orca).
> 
> Do you think we should get Synaptic to behave better? I.e. file a bug
> there? If so, do we (you?) understand the issue well enough to describe
> it properly?

I haven't seen your response to this question. What do you think? I am
slightly uncomfortable that now the RC bug against Orca is closed this
will drop from the radar.

Paul



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Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 20:21:45 +0200
Source: gnome-orca
Binary: gnome-orca
Architecture: source
Version: 3.22.2-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Accessibility Team 
Changed-By: Paul Gevers 
Description:
 gnome-orca - Scriptable screen reader
Closes: 859262
Changes:
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Bug#859262: marked as done (gnome-orca: Gets stuck if target app is busy)

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--- Begin Message ---
Package: synaptic
Version: 0.84.2
Severity: grave

Synaptic often freezes the Orca screen reader so that Orca speaks nothing until
Synaptic is closed. The same happens on both of my laptops running Debian
Stretch.

I am blind so I have to use computer using Orca screen reader. It happens wery
often that when I e.g click the Reload button in Synaptic, or select Reload
from the Synaptic menu, then Orca screen reader stops speaking. Synapticdoes
not freeze the whole desktop, just Orca.  This problem seems to happen
randomly, sometimes it happens sometimes it does not. When Synaptic has
finished reloading the package database information Orca may start speaking
again, but often it does not. If it does not then I have to close the Synaptic
by pressing alt + F4 after which Orca starts to speak again.

It also happens sometimes that if I have reloaded repository package database
information and click Mark all updades after that then Orca stops speaking. On
my second laptop it currently happens almost every time that Orca stops
speaking when I click the Mark all updates or select it from the menu. Tkhat
also seems to happen randomly, sometimes it happens sometimes not.

I have not noticed any problems like that when I have used other applications,
this happns only when I am using Synaptic.

As I said I have two laptops running Debian Stretch and both have the same
problems. Both laptops have been upgraded from Jessie to Stretch. The first
laptop was almost clean Jessie installation before it was upgraded to Stretch,
it still has wery little apps installed.

I am using Gnome desktop. I am blind so it is difficult for me to try to figure
out what is wrong. I I have used both espeak and espeak-ng speech synthetisers
with Orca screen reader, the same problem exists notmatter which of those is in
use.



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ii  tasksel  3.39

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Source: gnome-orca
Source-Version: 3.22.2-3

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
gnome-orca, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 859...@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

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Re: Bug#860898: /usr/bin/spd-conf: won't run

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 29/04/2017 à 16:26, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Well, AIUI this has been broken for a long time without being reported.
And thus AIUI people just configure speech-dispatcher with the config
files and don't use spd-conf. Again, this is just my understanding, I'm
not a user of speech-dispatcher, so users should say so if it's really a
problem.


Personally, I wasn't aware of this tool before this bug report. I don't 
know people anyone who uses this software.
The regular blind person uses Orca to change speech-dispatcher 
configuration.
IMO, it's not a critical issue but we should forward it to the upstream 
developer if it's not already the case.


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Bug#859262: Re: freezes Orca screen reader

[Alex ARNAUD]

I am CC'ing the accessibility list hoping that they might have an
insight to what is happening.  I have quoted the original mail in full
below for their sake.


I'm not yet a Stretch user but the Orca developer has submitted a patch 
to fix this bug : take a look at 
.


Best regards.
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Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"