Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Le 14/03/2020 à 16:56, Alan Tu a écrit : I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of Gnome 2. I personally using Mate because it just works. Mate is not just a fork of GNOME2, it's a continuation of GNOME2. There are plenty of reasons why I prefer Mate over GNOME but the main one is because Mate just takes care of accessibility and do what I expect to have on my computer. Best regards.
maybe graphical accessibility interface needs a change
This would need some sort of task tasksel could install to keep it clean and complete. Once this got done, the user gets a console login and then would need to run startx to get the graphical user interface. This way if the computer could at least log in on console that would happen. It could be where gnome isn't talking and my friend who is most of 900 miles away is having a similar problem that both systems need e2fsck -p to be run as root with unmounted partitions. Orca can't tell a user that and I'll find out a little later today what's on the screen of my friend's computer when he gets sighted assistance to look at that screen. If the error needing e2fsck -p to be run could generate a unique sound set over the pc speaker if necessary that would be even more helpful. --
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
I'm not sure what you are referring to with "install Debian with speech". The live USB boots, I hit S , and the text installer starts. Alan On 3/14/20, john doe wrote: > On 3/14/2020 4:56 PM, Alan Tu wrote: >> Thanks Alex. Under Debian-testing, build uploaded 2020/03/09: >> Mate speaks correctly. My first Linux desktop. I suspect Debian 10.3 >> would be fine. >> Gnome. Same failure result, speaks a few words then nothing. Enter, >> Alt+Tab, Super+Tab, Alt+F2 orca --replace, nothing. >> >> I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I >> thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of >> Gnome 2. >> >> I can imagine an incompatibility, but orca under Gnome does speak a >> few words. I'd be willing to try some log collecting to perhaps >> diagnose Gnome 3. The Ubuntu 19.10 live CD has never spoken, >> considering their speech shortcut is Super+Alt+S, they are probably >> using a similar subsystem that just doesn't like my sound. >> >> On-board sound card: ROG SupremeFX 2015 8-Channel High Definition Audio >> CODEC >> Motherboard: Asus Maximus VIII GENE; Chipset: Intel Z170 >> > > Is it safe to assume that "Install Debian with speatch" works? > > -- > John Doe > >
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
On 3/14/2020 4:56 PM, Alan Tu wrote: > Thanks Alex. Under Debian-testing, build uploaded 2020/03/09: > Mate speaks correctly. My first Linux desktop. I suspect Debian 10.3 > would be fine. > Gnome. Same failure result, speaks a few words then nothing. Enter, > Alt+Tab, Super+Tab, Alt+F2 orca --replace, nothing. > > I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I > thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of > Gnome 2. > > I can imagine an incompatibility, but orca under Gnome does speak a > few words. I'd be willing to try some log collecting to perhaps > diagnose Gnome 3. The Ubuntu 19.10 live CD has never spoken, > considering their speech shortcut is Super+Alt+S, they are probably > using a similar subsystem that just doesn't like my sound. > > On-board sound card: ROG SupremeFX 2015 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC > Motherboard: Asus Maximus VIII GENE; Chipset: Intel Z170 > Is it safe to assume that "Install Debian with speatch" works? -- John Doe
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Thanks Alex. Under Debian-testing, build uploaded 2020/03/09: Mate speaks correctly. My first Linux desktop. I suspect Debian 10.3 would be fine. Gnome. Same failure result, speaks a few words then nothing. Enter, Alt+Tab, Super+Tab, Alt+F2 orca --replace, nothing. I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of Gnome 2. I can imagine an incompatibility, but orca under Gnome does speak a few words. I'd be willing to try some log collecting to perhaps diagnose Gnome 3. The Ubuntu 19.10 live CD has never spoken, considering their speech shortcut is Super+Alt+S, they are probably using a similar subsystem that just doesn't like my sound. On-board sound card: ROG SupremeFX 2015 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC Motherboard: Asus Maximus VIII GENE; Chipset: Intel Z170 Alan On 3/13/20, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Hello Alan, > > I see two options to try to figure out your issue the easiest way: > * To determine If it's a compatibility issue with your hardware could > you please try to install Debian Testing ? > * To check if it's a GNOME issues, could you please try to install Mate > instead of GNOME ? > > Best regards, > Alex. > > Le 13/03/2020 à 22:28, Alan Tu a écrit : >> Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash >> drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for >> this purpose. >> >> This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I >> think its Orca): >> screen reader on, 13 push button [word] >> I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month. >> >> Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or >> Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen. >> >> This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16 >> GB of RAM. >> >> When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2) >> along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12). >> >> I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs. >> What can I review to help narrow this down? >> >> Alan >> > >
Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?
Hello Alan, I see two options to try to figure out your issue the easiest way: * To determine If it's a compatibility issue with your hardware could you please try to install Debian Testing ? * To check if it's a GNOME issues, could you please try to install Mate instead of GNOME ? Best regards, Alex. Le 13/03/2020 à 22:28, Alan Tu a écrit : Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for this purpose. This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I think its Orca): screen reader on, 13 push button [word] I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month. Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen. This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16 GB of RAM. When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2) along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12). I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs. What can I review to help narrow this down? Alan
