Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 04:38:03PM +0300, Geoff Shang wrote: >On Fri, 5 Jun 2020, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > >> I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 >> system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. >> >> Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the >> sound output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds >> like the system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in >> fragments with little breaks in between... Its a little bit difficult to >> explain... > >I also use Debian in VMWare Player 15 under windows 10 for work. > >Fortunately, I've not updated to 15.5.5 and I won't now thanks to your >warning. VMware has released VMware Workstation 15.5.6 and VMware Player 15.5.6 and it seems that the update has resolved the sound problems, at leas my systems are running fine again after upgrading to this newest release... Cheers, Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi Geoff, Am 05.06.2020 um 15:38 schrieb Geoff Shang: I also use Debian in VMWare Player 15 under windows 10 for work. Fortunately, I've not updated to 15.5.5 and I won't now thanks to your warning. I've also tested VMware player 15.5.5, unfortunatly with the same bad result :-(. Its not as bad as with VMware Workstation, but its also not as good with the version before. Seems you aren't alone: https://server.vpnwp.com/vmware/vmware-distorted-choppy-audio-windows-host-linux-kubuntu-vm/ Cool, thanks for the link! This probably makes it more likely that VMWare will fix it. Yes, lets hope it! Cheers, Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020, Christian Schoepplein wrote: I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with little breaks in between... Its a little bit difficult to explain... Hi Christian, I also use Debian in VMWare Player 15 under windows 10 for work. Fortunately, I've not updated to 15.5.5 and I won't now thanks to your warning. Seems you aren't alone: https://server.vpnwp.com/vmware/vmware-distorted-choppy-audio-windows-host-linux-kubuntu-vm/ This probably makes it more likely that VMWare will fix it. You (or your company) are a paying customer so you are entitled to complain when they break stuff. Cheers, Geoff.
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi Christian Christian Schoepplein schrieb am 05.06.2020, 11:41 +0200: >On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 10:50:31AM +0200, Sebastian Humenda wrote: >>Christian Schoepplein schrieb am 05.06.2020, 9:44 +0200: >>>I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 >>>system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. >>> >>>Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound >>>output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the >>>system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with >>>little breaks in between... >>[…] >> >>It might be unrelated, it might be similar. I'm using VirtualBox with a >>console-only, pulse-disabled Debian stable. If this doesn't match your set up, >>skip this e-mail :). > >How did you get rid of pulse-audio? What are the necessary steps to configure >this? https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Disable_Pulseaudio This has a couple of disadvantages such as more complicated USB sound card management, if you happen to use that. If you don't, I can highly recommend it. If you have a chance to install a fresh Debian with braille, I would advice to install a fresh copy of Debian, disable Pulse as described and play sound using a player such as mpv. If the stuttering is gone, you could have found the cause, even though pulse might not be the root cause. Cheers Sebastian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 05 juin 2020 15:09:58 +0200, a ecrit: > Am 05.06.2020 um 12:36 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > > Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 05 juin 2020 12:08:24 +0200, a ecrit: > > > speech-dispatcher 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 > > > speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins:amd64 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 > > > > Ok, so this includes the latest fixes. > > > > Just wondering: did you try to play e.g. some music to see if the > > problem is specific to speech-dispatcher, or more general? > > Sorry, that I forgot to mension. It is more general and also afects playing > music, e.g. So it is not speech-dispatcher related. [...] > Also I'll see if I can get help from VMware, but there I do not have > much hope :-(. Since it's not speech-dispatcher-related and affects music, you could not even mention speech, and just say that you can't play music, and that's what you need to get your work done. Samuel
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi Alex, Am 05.06.2020 um 13:41 schrieb Alex ARNAUD: If a VMware update broke your sound system, couldn't be easier to contact them directly? I will try and ofcourse I tried to find other users that have reported similar problems with the latest VMware update, but I do not have much hope that VMware support is able to help :-(. but lets see Cheers and a niche weekend to all! Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Am 05.06.2020 um 12:36 schrieb Samuel Thibault: Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 05 juin 2020 12:08:24 +0200, a ecrit: speech-dispatcher 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins:amd64 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 Ok, so this includes the latest fixes. Just wondering: did you try to play e.g. some music to see if the problem is specific to speech-dispatcher, or more general? Sorry, that I forgot to mension. It is more general and also afects playing music, e.g. So it is not speech-dispatcher related. I will try another aproach for soundoutput without pulse and maybe I'll quickly install a new Debian VM to see if that helps and if it is something related to my current installation. Also I'll see if I can get help from VMware, but there I do not have much hope :-(. Cheers, Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hello Christian, If a VMware update broke your sound system, couldn't be easier to contact them directly? Best regards. Le 05/06/2020 à 09:44, Christian Schoepplein a écrit : Hi, I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with little breaks in between... Its a little bit difficult to explain... I have to systems with the same configuration and on both systems the problem occures. I've changed nothing in the virtual linux system and on the host system itself, only VMware Workstation was updated to the latest version (15.5.5). So I am very sure it is a problem with VMware Workstation I just want to ask if anyone here is also using VMware Workstation on Windows 10 and has the same problems after the last update. And maybe anyone has an idea how to solve the problems, maybe I can do something on the linux system or in the settings of the VM. I downgrated the system to an older version of VMware Workstation and anything is good again, but if there is a solution for Workstation 15.5.5 it would be good to know. Ofcourse I will contact VMware and ask for a solution, but I am sure they will not be able to help because they do not know enough about working with a screen reader, speech output, e.g..., but I will try anyway. Cheers and thanks for any help or idea, Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 05 juin 2020 12:08:24 +0200, a ecrit: > speech-dispatcher 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 > speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins:amd64 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 Ok, so this includes the latest fixes. Just wondering: did you try to play e.g. some music to see if the problem is specific to speech-dispatcher, or more general? You may want to try to uncomment and increase the AudioPulseMinLength value in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf Samuel
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 12:15:37PM +0300, Всеволод Попов wrote: >How did you manage to install debian on a vmWare workstation? Each time when I >tried to do that with the text installer I didn't get any luck. The sound was >disabled in some point. Right after I started the instalation. I was able to install the VMs with braille support. Attaching the usb braille device to the machine and start it with an installation iso was no problem. I have not tested an installation just with speech output... Do you have a braille device you can use with Linux? Cheers, Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi Didier, On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 11:46:17AM +0200, Didier Spaier wrote: >Maybe OT, but very possibly Qemu does a better job than VMware Workstation 15. > >At least its audio is very good, with a choice between several sound cards. I know Qemu and I use it on other systems to run Windows or Linux systems as guests on linux servers. Everything is fine and maybe another way to go is to switch from Windows to Linux as the hostsystem, but as already said this will not be possible for my computer I need for my job because of security policies :-(. I did not use Qemu on a Windows host and I wonder how hardware integration is working. Can usb braille displays easily be switched between the host and the guest system? How good is this working? Is anyone using Qemu on Windows already? Cheers, Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi Samuel, On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 10:01:44AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 05 juin 2020 09:44:14 +0200, a ecrit: >> the sound output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It >> sounds like the system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed >> in fragments with little breaks in between. > >Just to be sure: > >- what is your environment? text console with speakup? graphical with > orca? Which speech synthesis? I have configured pulse audio to run in daemon mode because I do not know another method to have speech enabled in the graphical environment and also with brltty in the text console. I know that is not recommended but I do not know another way to setup a system if you need textbased and graphical environment at the same time :-(. I can post more details on my config if needed. >- what is your distribution? what is the version of speech-dispatcher? Debian 10.4 with buster backports enabled and mate 1.20.2. The other interesting packages are IMHO: brltty6.0+dfsg-5~bpo10+1 brltty-speechd6.0+dfsg-5~bpo10+1 espeak-ng-data:amd64 1.50+dfsg-6~bpo10+1 libespeak-ng1:amd64 1.50+dfsg-6~bpo10+1 gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:amd64 1.14.4-1 libpulse-mainloop-glib0:amd64 13.0-3~bpo10+1 libpulse0:amd64 13.0-3~bpo10+1 libpulsedsp:amd64 13.0-3~bpo10+1 pulseaudio13.0-3~bpo10+1 pulseaudio-utils 13.0-3~bpo10+1 libspeechd2:amd64 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 python3-speechd 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 speech-dispatcher 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins:amd64 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 speech-dispatcher-espeak-ng 0.9.0-5+deb10u1 orca 3.36.2-1~bpo10+1 Everything worked perfectly before the VMware update with VMware Workstation 15.5.2, the problems started with the latest version of VMware 15.5.5. Wndows is warning because the older version of VMware Workstation that I have to use now, so not doing the update will be no good choice for a longer periode of time and also not because of security policies of my employer :-(. Cheers and thanks for any hint or help! Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi, Maybe OT, but very possibly Qemu does a better job than VMware Workstation 15. At least its audio is very good, with a choice between several sound cards. You can find an installer here: https://qemu.weilnetz.de/w64/ Cheers, Didier Le 05/06/2020 à 09:44, Christian Schoepplein a écrit : > Hi, > > I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 > system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. > > Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound > output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the > system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with > little breaks in between... Its a little bit difficult to explain... > > I have to systems with the same configuration and on both systems the problem > occures. I've changed nothing in the virtual linux system and on the host > system itself, only VMware Workstation was updated to the latest version > (15.5.5). So I am very sure it is a problem with VMware Workstation > > I just want to ask if anyone here is also using VMware Workstation on Windows > 10 and has the same problems after the last update. And maybe anyone has an > idea how to solve the problems, maybe I can do something on the linux system > or in the settings of the VM. I downgrated the system to an older version of > VMware Workstation and anything is good again, but if there is a solution for > Workstation 15.5.5 it would be good to know. > > Ofcourse I will contact VMware and ask for a solution, but I am sure they > will not be able to help because they do not know enough about working with a > screen reader, speech output, e.g..., but I will try anyway. > > Cheers and thanks for any help or idea, > > Schoepp >
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi Sebastian, On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 10:50:31AM +0200, Sebastian Humenda wrote: >Christian Schoepplein schrieb am 05.06.2020, 9:44 +0200: >>I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 >>system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. >> >>Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound >>output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the >>system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with >>little breaks in between... >[…] > >It might be unrelated, it might be similar. I'm using VirtualBox with a >console-only, pulse-disabled Debian stable. If this doesn't match your set up, >skip this e-mail :). How did you get rid of pulse-audio? What are the necessary steps to configure this? I do not think that we have the same problem because before the VMware update everything worked perfectly. In my case I think it is VMware related, unfortunatly :-(. Switching to another virtualizer is not possible because to security policies of my employer :-(. Cheers, Schoepp
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hello. How did you manage to install debian on a vmWare workstation? Each time when I tried to do that with the text installer I didn't get any luck. The sound was disabled in some point. Right after I started the instalation. Отправлено с iPhone > 5 июня 2020 г., в 11:50, Sebastian Humenda написал(а): > > Hi Christian > > Christian Schoepplein schrieb am 05.06.2020, 9:44 +0200: >> I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 >> system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. >> >> Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound >> output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the >> system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with >> little breaks in between... > […] > > It might be unrelated, it might be similar. I'm using VirtualBox with a > console-only, pulse-disabled Debian stable. If this doesn't match your set up, > skip this e-mail :). > I have tried experimenting around with setting a different sound card without > much success. For me, it turned out most useful to have some background noise. > This keeps the sound card channel open and speech stops "stuttering". I > usually listen to very low-volume music or use white noise. Both are > word-arounds. > > Good luck > Sebastian
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi Christian Christian Schoepplein schrieb am 05.06.2020, 9:44 +0200: >I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 >system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. > >Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound >output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the >system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with >little breaks in between... […] It might be unrelated, it might be similar. I'm using VirtualBox with a console-only, pulse-disabled Debian stable. If this doesn't match your set up, skip this e-mail :). I have tried experimenting around with setting a different sound card without much success. For me, it turned out most useful to have some background noise. This keeps the sound card channel open and speech stops "stuttering". I usually listen to very low-volume music or use white noise. Both are word-arounds. Good luck Sebastian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hello, Christian Schoepplein, le ven. 05 juin 2020 09:44:14 +0200, a ecrit: > the sound output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It > sounds like the system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed > in fragments with little breaks in between. Just to be sure: - what is your environment? text console with speakup? graphical with orca? Which speech synthesis? - what is your distribution? what is the version of speech-dispatcher? Samuel
Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(
Hi, I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15. Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 the sound output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It sounds like the system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed in fragments with little breaks in between... Its a little bit difficult to explain... I have to systems with the same configuration and on both systems the problem occures. I've changed nothing in the virtual linux system and on the host system itself, only VMware Workstation was updated to the latest version (15.5.5). So I am very sure it is a problem with VMware Workstation I just want to ask if anyone here is also using VMware Workstation on Windows 10 and has the same problems after the last update. And maybe anyone has an idea how to solve the problems, maybe I can do something on the linux system or in the settings of the VM. I downgrated the system to an older version of VMware Workstation and anything is good again, but if there is a solution for Workstation 15.5.5 it would be good to know. Ofcourse I will contact VMware and ask for a solution, but I am sure they will not be able to help because they do not know enough about working with a screen reader, speech output, e.g..., but I will try anyway. Cheers and thanks for any help or idea, Schoepp
