Re: The mate-user-guide is inaccessible.
Hello John, In Debian Buster Mate is at version 1.20 but in Slint currently it is at version 1.24. This could explain (or not: to be honest I didn't check) some of the differences. This being said the sources files of the various components of Mate come from the same repositories, but the choice to include or not a feature and the associated default configuration is made by the package maintainers of the various distributions. Cheers, Didier Le 20/05/2020 à 19:57, John J. Boyer a écrit : > Hello, > > All right, I can use yelp, but the procedure is rather weird. I have Debian > Buster. Originally it was CLI only. I first tried Gnome, but that kept > crashing and > burning. Mate is much better. I have a Focus 40 Braille display. When I start > yelp I can arrow down from the top. Things flash on the display, much too > fast to > read. Pressing the forward advance button does nothing, but if I press the > back button on the display I will get to something. Then pressing the forward > button > enables me to read the screen. I can even press buttons and links to go to > topics and read those. > > I've gotten used to having to use some weird maneuvers to get to things on > the GUI. Some of that may be due to Orca. I think that Orca and Mate should > behave the > same on all distros. > > Thanks, > John
Re: The mate-user-guide is inaccessible.
Hello, All right, I can use yelp, but the procedure is rather weird. I have Debian Buster. Originally it was CLI only. I first tried Gnome, but that kept crashing and burning. Mate is much better. I have a Focus 40 Braille display. When I start yelp I can arrow down from the top. Things flash on the display, much too fast to read. Pressing the forward advance button does nothing, but if I press the back button on the display I will get to something. Then pressing the forward button enables me to read the screen. I can even press buttons and links to go to topics and read those. I've gotten used to having to use some weird maneuvers to get to things on the GUI. Some of that may be due to Orca. I think that Orca and Mate should behave the same on all distros. Thanks, John On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 06:53:22PM +0200, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hello John, > > As Alex said, at least here (Slint distribution) there are several ways to > access the help for the Mate desktop: > > 1. With the focus on the desktop, just press F1. > 2. Press Alt + F1 to put the focus on the Application menu, arrow right twice > to switch to the System menu, then Arrow down three times to focus on Help > and press Enter. > 3. Start mate-terminal, or just press Alt + F2 to raise a Run... dialog, > then type either yelp or gnome-help, press Enter, then press Tab to navigate > to the help for the Mate desktop (Orca will give an output only when you > press Tab in this case, at least here). > > If the key bindings or commands differ when using Mate, please Alex tell us. > > Caveat: I confirm that Orca speaks when using the Mate help, but didn't check > that a braille device gets the output as well (I add that knowing that you > are deaf, and not owning one). > > Slint list in CC: please some of you using a braille device confirm or infirm > in the Slint list (or here if registered to this one) that it's usable with > the Mate help. > > As an aside, providing a web site with the same information is doable using > yelp-tools. I have considered doing that at least for Slint (and suggest to > the Mate developers to provide such a thing for all distributions), but > didn't as the integrated help became accessible. > > Cheers, > Didier > > Le 20/05/2020 à 16:59, Alex ARNAUD a écrit : > > Didier in CC told me mate-user-guide is accessible so it could probably > > told you the trick to make it working > > > > Best regards. > > > > Le 20/05/2020 à 16:13, John J. Boyer a écrit : > >> Hello, > >> > >> Thanks Alex. > >> > >> I have tried going to wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!index.md with both firefox > >> and Chromium. I couldnt make head or tail of the site. The help option in > >> Mate > >> does not work. > >> How can I read the mate-user-guide? My opinioon is that they should have > >> made it a simple Web page. That is what NVDA did. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> John > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: The mate-user-guide is inaccessible.
Hello John, As Alex said, at least here (Slint distribution) there are several ways to access the help for the Mate desktop: 1. With the focus on the desktop, just press F1. 2. Press Alt + F1 to put the focus on the Application menu, arrow right twice to switch to the System menu, then Arrow down three times to focus on Help and press Enter. 3. Start mate-terminal, or just press Alt + F2 to raise a Run... dialog, then type either yelp or gnome-help, press Enter, then press Tab to navigate to the help for the Mate desktop (Orca will give an output only when you press Tab in this case, at least here). If the key bindings or commands differ when using Mate, please Alex tell us. Caveat: I confirm that Orca speaks when using the Mate help, but didn't check that a braille device gets the output as well (I add that knowing that you are deaf, and not owning one). Slint list in CC: please some of you using a braille device confirm or infirm in the Slint list (or here if registered to this one) that it's usable with the Mate help. As an aside, providing a web site with the same information is doable using yelp-tools. I have considered doing that at least for Slint (and suggest to the Mate developers to provide such a thing for all distributions), but didn't as the integrated help became accessible. Cheers, Didier Le 20/05/2020 à 16:59, Alex ARNAUD a écrit : > Didier in CC told me mate-user-guide is accessible so it could probably told > you the trick to make it working > > Best regards. > > Le 20/05/2020 à 16:13, John J. Boyer a écrit : >> Hello, >> >> Thanks Alex. >> >> I have tried going to wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!index.md with both firefox and >> Chromium. I couldnt make head or tail of the site. The help option in Mate >> does not work. >> How can I read the mate-user-guide? My opinioon is that they should have >> made it a simple Web page. That is what NVDA did. >> >> Thanks, >> John
Re: The mate-user-guide is inaccessible.
Didier in CC told me mate-user-guide is accessible so it could probably told you the trick to make it working Best regards. Le 20/05/2020 à 16:13, John J. Boyer a écrit : Hello, Thanks Alex. I have tried going to wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!index.md with both firefox and Chromium. I couldnt make head or tail of the site. The help option in Mate does not work. How can I read the mate-user-guide? My opinioon is that they should have made it a simple Web page. That is what NVDA did. Thanks, John
