Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Hello, On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:54:28PM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: i normally boot 0 the interesting part is the clone disk boots fine on the original system, but not on either of the other systems. Same SCSI adapter? Does your clone boot if you use the *original* master disk? Greetings Helge -- Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys. [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg signed mail preferredgpg-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 64bit GNU powered http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm Help keep free software libre: http://www.freepatents.org/ pgpflWdM1L8Dq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Moin Helge! no, thats the other interesting part, master and clone will boot systemA, where the cloneing took place, neither will boot systemB or C or ... as near as i can tell all 20 are identical, there were part of one of the earlier supercomputing efforts at the lab, all the same nodes. i will not be able to experiment anymore until thursday, out of town, but i'd like to understand this. -- michael Helge Kreutzmann schrieb am Samstag, den 17. Juli 2004: Same SCSI adapter? Does your clone boot if you use the *original* master disk? Greetings Helge
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Can someone tell me the difference between sarge and sid? I thought the current debian was woody. -andy On Jul 15, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:13:41PM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: Hi Andrew! there is a build out from yesterday: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/alpha/ 20040714/ But built against the sarge tree, not the sid tree.
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:25:19AM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: Can someone tell me the difference between sarge and sid? I thought the current debian was woody. sarge is the upcoming stable release. sid is the staging ground for everything that will go into the stable release being developed at any given moment. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer On Jul 15, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:13:41PM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: Hi Andrew! there is a build out from yesterday: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/alpha/ 20040714/ But built against the sarge tree, not the sid tree. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Hi Steve! ok, so what is the real functional difference? -- michael On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Steve Langasek wrote: sarge is the upcoming stable release. sid is the staging ground for everything that will go into the stable release being developed at any given moment.
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 08:40:00AM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: Hi Steve! ok, so what is the real functional difference? Stable (Woody at the moment): A bit dated, but very well tested and security support available. Testing (Sarge at the moment): Automatically generated from unstable for packages meeting certain (quality) criteria. No security support available, user has to wait until fix propagates from unstable. Unstable (Sid): Main development branch of Debian. Security issues are dealt by new uploads (possibly new version). Very current, occassionally (but seldom) things break here (and thus are delayed from propagating into testing). Once the number of release-critical bugs is low enough (zero) Testing will be frozen (no new propagation from unstable) and declared stable under the name of Sarge. Greetings Helge -- Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys. [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg signed mail preferredgpg-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 64bit GNU powered http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm Help keep free software libre: http://www.freepatents.org/ pgpj6VTCE24HX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 07:44:53PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:07:48PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: I don't see anything new at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/ will the build happen today, as in before 2400 EST? Yes; and it's there now. I tried the netinst-Version from 15th of Juli. The problem with the broken cia_core seems still to exist; loading the qlogic-driver isn't sucessfull and makes d-i hang forever. Joerg -- Joerg Hoh
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
ok, i'm getting myself very confused and maybe some one can give me a sanity check. i have a number of ES40's i'm putting sarge onto. i have it installed and working fairly well. now i'm trying to clone the disk image for the rest of the ES40's, this is what i'm trying: SystemA: good install of sarge onto /dev/sda, sda is 128M free space, 16G ext2 mounted on / , 2GB swap. to clone the disk i'm doing: init 1, swapoff -a, mount -n -o remount,ro / dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1024k the dd completes as expected, i can mount /dev/sdb2 and it looks ok. when i put the clone disk into systemB if fails to boot, it gets too aboot and aboot tries to load the kernel, with a number of normal looking aboot messages but it finally hangs at: aboot: starting kernel vmlinuz with args ro root=/dev/sda2 and hangs there. now if i go back to systemA and replace the good disk with the clone disk systemA boots fine. if i put the good disk into systemB it fails with the same error as the clone disk. so i'm assuming the cloneing process is ok. i must be missing something in SRM config or something. any sanity check would be greatly appreciated! -- michael
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Hello, On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:59:23AM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: SystemA: good install of sarge onto /dev/sda, sda is 128M free space, 16G ext2 mounted on / , 2GB swap. to clone the disk i'm doing: init 1, swapoff -a, mount -n -o remount,ro / dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1024k the dd completes as expected, i can mount /dev/sdb2 and it looks ok. when i put the clone disk into systemB if fails to boot, it gets too aboot and aboot tries to load the kernel, with a number of normal looking aboot messages but it finally hangs at: aboot: starting kernel vmlinuz with args ro root=/dev/sda2 and hangs there. What happens, if you boot with -fl i and then run l in aboot on the broken machine? Greetings Helge -- Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys. [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg signed mail preferredgpg-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 64bit GNU powered http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm Help keep free software libre: http://www.freepatents.org/ pgp23E6ufFRpu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Hello Michael, On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:18:53PM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: Moin Helge! i get the normalish looking: 0:2/vmlinuz ro initrd=/initrd.imb root=/dev/sda2 1:2/vmlinuz.old initrd=/initrd.img 2:3/vmlinuz.net.gz ro root=/dev/sda2 3:3/vmlinuz ro root=/ev/sda2 8:- ro root=/dev/dsda2 9:0/- ro Which entry do you attempt to boot? 0: and 3: look corrupted to me. Greetings Helge -- Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys. [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg signed mail preferredgpg-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 64bit GNU powered http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm Help keep free software libre: http://www.freepatents.org/ pgphb6KDTrz7q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Moin Helge! maybe typos in there, the system is on serial console so i copied from my notes ... i normally boot 0 the interesting part is the clone disk boots fine on the original system, but not on either of the other systems. -- michael Helge Kreutzmann schrieb am Freitag, den 16. Juli 2004: Which entry do you attempt to boot? 0: and 3: look corrupted to me.
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 08:43:01AM -0400, Rob Dupcak wrote: Do the daily builds have Tulip driver support? (Or will they?) Daily builds have included the tulip driver for as long as there have been daily builds on alpha. Or asked another way... Is there an easy way of telling if a specific daily build has a particular feature? (Aside from trying to install it yet again?) Not short of pulling the image apart layer by layer, or asking someone who knows. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:36:49PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: OK I try with one meg free. I actually have 2 xp1000s, one I'll use for a more stable machine with beta4, the other I can test the dailies and see what's up. Please note that there is no substantial difference between beta4 and the dailies in terms of the installed system, the differences are only in the installer itself. Also, beta4 doesn't work very well; I think at this point it may be broken on all architectures, if memory serves. You're better off sticking to the dailies. You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. So far Sarge looks nice. It's been a few years since I played with Debian, mostly it was on my Ipaq. I am thinking of using this alpha with Sarge and migrating over from an athalon RHEL 3.1 server. I'm getting sick of RH. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 08:40:00AM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: Hi Steve! ok, so what is the real functional difference? That depends on what's being staged at any particular moment. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Steve Langasek wrote: sarge is the upcoming stable release. sid is the staging ground for everything that will go into the stable release being developed at any given moment. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 03:55:25PM +0200, Joerg Hoh wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 07:44:53PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:07:48PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: I don't see anything new at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/ will the build happen today, as in before 2400 EST? Yes; and it's there now. I tried the netinst-Version from 15th of Juli. The problem with the broken cia_core seems still to exist; Correct, no kernel-image package has been uploaded which fixes this. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 01:08:28PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 03:55:25PM +0200, Joerg Hoh wrote: I tried the netinst-Version from 15th of Juli. The problem with the broken cia_core seems still to exist; Correct, no kernel-image package has been uploaded which fixes this. Do you know when a fixed kernel-image will be uploaded? Is the patch for this problem available as a diff, so I can patch the kernel myself? Or is this patch already sent to upstream (kernel mailinglist)? Joerg -- Joerg Hoh
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 11:15:24PM +0200, Joerg Hoh wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 01:08:28PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 03:55:25PM +0200, Joerg Hoh wrote: I tried the netinst-Version from 15th of Juli. The problem with the broken cia_core seems still to exist; Correct, no kernel-image package has been uploaded which fixes this. Do you know when a fixed kernel-image will be uploaded? No, you would need to ask the kernel maintainers. Is the patch for this problem available as a diff, so I can patch the kernel myself? kernel-image packages have previously been posted to the mailing list, but this doesn't help with getting the installer fixed until they're in the archive. Or is this patch already sent to upstream (kernel mailinglist)? This was not an upstream bug. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 02:40:00PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 11:15:24PM +0200, Joerg Hoh wrote: Is the patch for this problem available as a diff, so I can patch the kernel myself? kernel-image packages have previously been posted to the mailing list, but this doesn't help with getting the installer fixed until they're in the archive. Ok, so the only possibility for now seems to install woody from bootfloppies and upgrade then. Thanks for your help. Joerg -- Joerg Hoh
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:07:49PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: I used the one at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/current/ but I'll try again and leave some space at the top of the disk for aboot. What does it need, a few megs? Less than 1MB. A single sector should be sufficient. I guess this should be fixed. I found it very confusing. Atleast when i say continue we should make aboot complain about this. It already complains about /boot not being ext2. Is it possible to add this check for a small partition there ? How are we planning to fix this ? -aneesh
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Thanks for the tips, I'll try the build from 6/15 then. On Jul 14, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:39:28AM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:07:49PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: I used the one at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/current/ but I'll try again and leave some space at the top of the disk for aboot. What does it need, a few megs? Less than 1MB. A single sector should be sufficient. I guess this should be fixed. I found it very confusing. Atleast when i say continue we should make aboot complain about this. It already complains about /boot not being ext2. Is it possible to add this check for a small partition there ? How are we planning to fix this ? aboot-installer needs to be updated to force the creation of a small partition #1 reserved for its own use at the front of the disk containing the /boot directory. I expect to work on this later in the month, but don't object to someone beating me to it. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Hi, Do the daily builds have Tulip driver support? (Or will they?) Or asked another way... Is there an easy way of telling if a specific daily build has a particular feature? (Aside from trying to install it yet again?) Thanks, Rob Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:36:49PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: OK I try with one meg free. I actually have 2 xp1000s, one I'll use for a more stable machine with beta4, the other I can test the dailies and see what's up. Please note that there is no substantial difference between beta4 and the dailies in terms of the installed system, the differences are only in the installer itself. Also, beta4 doesn't work very well; I think at this point it may be broken on all architectures, if memory serves. You're better off sticking to the dailies. You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. So far Sarge looks nice. It's been a few years since I played with Debian, mostly it was on my Ipaq. I am thinking of using this alpha with Sarge and migrating over from an athalon RHEL 3.1 server. I'm getting sick of RH. :)
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
I don't see anything new at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/ will the build happen today, as in before 2400 EST? -andy On Jul 14, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Hi Andrew! there is a build out from yesterday: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/alpha/20040714/ -- me On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Andrew Diller wrote: I don't see anything new at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/ will the build happen today, as in before 2400 EST? -andy On Jul 14, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:07:48PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: I don't see anything new at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/ will the build happen today, as in before 2400 EST? Yes; and it's there now. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer On Jul 14, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:13:41PM -0400, Michael Galloway wrote: Hi Andrew! there is a build out from yesterday: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/alpha/20040714/ But built against the sarge tree, not the sid tree. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Andrew Diller wrote: I don't see anything new at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/ will the build happen today, as in before 2400 EST? -andy On Jul 14, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 03:44:04PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: hello: I downloaded burned and installed the newest (2004-06-08 posted on alphalinux.org) debian installer on my xp1000. Everything is smooth, i chose an automatic, multi-user partition map on a single 9gig scsi disk. I changed the / partition to ext2 for the aboot and continued. however, the aboot installation refused to install on the / partition, telling me it was not ex2. Anyone else encountering this? How can get aboot to install on /? What is the URL of the ISO image you downloaded? The images that will give the best results for alpha are currently the sid_d-i images, located at http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/alpha/current/. Please note that you will also need to manually edit your partition table on your boot drive to leave space at the front of the disk for aboot to install to, as this is not yet handled automatically for you. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
Hi Andrew! i've better success on my ES40's with the 20040713 build: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/alpha/ still somewhat problematic, it installs e100 instead of eepro100, but it may work ok for you ... -- michael On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Andrew Diller wrote: hello: I downloaded burned and installed the newest (2004-06-08 posted on alphalinux.org) debian installer on my xp1000. Everything is smooth, i chose an automatic, multi-user partition map on a single 9gig scsi disk. I changed the / partition to ext2 for the aboot and continued. however, the aboot installation refused to install on the / partition, telling me it was not ex2. Anyone else encountering this? How can get aboot to install on /? - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
I used the one at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/current/ but I'll try again and leave some space at the top of the disk for aboot. What does it need, a few megs? -andy On Jul 14, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: What is the URL of the ISO image you downloaded? The images that will give the best results for alpha are currently the sid_d-i images, located at http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/alpha/current/. - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:07:49PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: I used the one at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/current/ but I'll try again and leave some space at the top of the disk for aboot. What does it need, a few megs? Less than 1MB. A single sector should be sufficient. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
OK I try with one meg free. I actually have 2 xp1000s, one I'll use for a more stable machine with beta4, the other I can test the dailies and see what's up. So far Sarge looks nice. It's been a few years since I played with Debian, mostly it was on my Ipaq. I am thinking of using this alpha with Sarge and migrating over from an athalon RHEL 3.1 server. I'm getting sick of RH. -andy On Jul 14, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:07:49PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: I used the one at: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/alpha/current/ but I'll try again and leave some space at the top of the disk for aboot. What does it need, a few megs? Less than 1MB. A single sector should be sufficient. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Andrew Diller - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newest debian-installer on XP1000
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:36:49PM -0400, Andrew Diller wrote: OK I try with one meg free. I actually have 2 xp1000s, one I'll use for a more stable machine with beta4, the other I can test the dailies and see what's up. Please note that there is no substantial difference between beta4 and the dailies in terms of the installed system, the differences are only in the installer itself. Also, beta4 doesn't work very well; I think at this point it may be broken on all architectures, if memory serves. You're better off sticking to the dailies. You may also want to wait until tomorrow's daily, as it turns out the sid_d-i dailies for alpha have been off-line for the better part of a month and I'm not sure of the status of the last build. The builds should be happening daily as of tomorrow, however. So far Sarge looks nice. It's been a few years since I played with Debian, mostly it was on my Ipaq. I am thinking of using this alpha with Sarge and migrating over from an athalon RHEL 3.1 server. I'm getting sick of RH. :) -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
