Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
On 17.06.2009, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I don't care if it is AMD or intel, as long as it is a good design and gives me good value for the money. You probably should've read http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html The only way to boykott this is NOT to buy TXT enabled hardware and components, and this is just what you do when you buy the latest Intel CPUs/Mainboards... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:06:41PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 17.06.2009, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I don't care if it is AMD or intel, as long as it is a good design and gives me good value for the money. You probably should've read http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html The only way to boykott this is NOT to buy TXT enabled hardware and components, and this is just what you do when you buy the latest Intel CPUs/Mainboards... Who the hell cares? Should this EVER come into actual use, AMD will add it too. Fortunately, it seems no one (other than possibly Mac OS X) uses this stuff for anything yet as far as I have been able to tell. Are you boycotting everything with HDCP support too? Good luck on that. If you don't like DRM stuff, then don't buy it. I don't buy songs from itunes with their DRM, nor blue ray disks. I put up with DVD since those play just fine on linux anyhow given the totally broken DRM they used. If everyone avoids DRM protected stuff (not the hardware that could be used to implement DRM), then sooner or later the media companies will clue in to the fact that stuff sells better when you don't assume the customer is a criminal. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Lennart Sorensenlsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:06:41PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 17.06.2009, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I don't care if it is AMD or intel, as long as it is a good design and gives me good value for the money. You probably should've read http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html The only way to boykott this is NOT to buy TXT enabled hardware and components, and this is just what you do when you buy the latest Intel CPUs/Mainboards... Who the hell cares? Should this EVER come into actual use, AMD will add it too. Fortunately, it seems no one (other than possibly Mac OS X) uses this stuff for anything yet as far as I have been able to tell. Are you boycotting everything with HDCP support too? Good luck on that. If you don't like DRM stuff, then don't buy it. I don't buy songs from itunes with their DRM, nor blue ray disks. I put up with DVD since those play just fine on linux anyhow given the totally broken DRM they used. If everyone avoids DRM protected stuff (not the hardware that could be used to implement DRM), then sooner or later the media companies will clue in to the fact that stuff sells better when you don't assume the customer is a criminal. -- Len Sorensen Thank's This is information that really matter. This corporations are completed paranoiac !!! Hope one day we have a nice processor coming from outside of paranoiac corporations country's. Silvino -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
Heinz Diehl wrote: On 17.06.2009, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I don't care if it is AMD or intel, as long as it is a good design and gives me good value for the money. You probably should've read http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html The only way to boykott this is NOT to buy TXT enabled hardware and components, and this is just what you do when you buy the latest Intel CPUs/Mainboards... This is rather dis-informative - Linux could very well use this feature for positive security purposes. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 If you shake a politician's hand, be sure count your fingers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
On 17.06.2009, Karl Schmidt wrote: This is rather dis-informative - Linux could very well use this feature for positive security purposes. This isn't disinformation, you can decide on your own. The op claimed that full Intel systems are not significantly cheaper than AMD ones, and that's just not real. An AMD mainboard is generally cheaper, and so is the CPU. The peripherals are priced the same on both worlds. What will be the ooverall result? In addition, you support TXT. AMD will follow? Fine, but they has not done so per today. http://lwn.net/Articles/333940/ (No, I'm not working for AMD or Intel...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
I'm looking at replacing a few boxes with some new Tyan boards - not too long ago AMD was pulling ahead - not so sure anymore. Like to get the take of some others here with wider experience than I have. I'm having Lenny 64-bit running on a ASUS M3N78PRO MOBO - 8 gb ram and the AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 940 Processor It's the fastest system I've worked with :-) and the cost for the mobo, processor and the ram is today approx 552 USD here in Denmark. frodo:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 - 3 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 16 model : 4 model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 940 Processor stepping: 2 cpu MHz : 3010.141 cache size : 512 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 4 core id : 3 cpu cores : 4 apicid : 3 initial apicid : 3 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt bogomips: 6020.46 TLB size: 1024 4K pages clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate -- Med venlig hilsen Dennis Johansen Hegnstoften 63 2630 Taastrup Tlf: 4371 8584 Mob: 27 515 217 E-mail: dennis.johan...@hegnstoften.net www.hegnstoften.net http://www.linkedin.com/in/dennisjohansen
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
Hi. A word of warning: I'm looking at replacing a few boxes with some new Tyan boards - [...] ^^ A few months ago [1], my machine broke down (in a still unknown way). It was 5 months after the 3-years warranty period provided by TYAN! I wrote 2 emails (detailing the symptoms) to their support kindly asking [2] how I could figure out what was wrong. They never answered. Best, Gilles [1] You can probably find the posts on this mailing list archive. [2] On their web site, they were threatening not to respond to insistent or otherwise incomplete requests. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
On Monday 15 June 2009 20:41:04 Dean Hamstead wrote: AMD cant beat the top end intels, But bang for buck in the mid and low range you can still do well with AMD. On the low range, its AMD all the way. Watch out on some of the AMD cpu's, as some of the qauds had nasty bugs. Would be worth your while to read some reviews on them before buying. I second that. If you want the absolutely very top ( sounds nice eh ? :D ) of x86 hardware, then go with an, say, intel corei7 975. But you're fine with a little less than it, then go for say, an amd phenon x4 955. They're very nice chips too, and waay cheaper. Core i7 975: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115212 Phenom x4 955: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674 Personally, i will be buying a phenom 2 black edition in the not too distant future. Me too (an x4, actually), and some radeons to play with gpu - cpu stuff. Nice ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 02:43:25PM -0300, Fabricio Cannini wrote: On Monday 15 June 2009 20:41:04 Dean Hamstead wrote: AMD cant beat the top end intels, But bang for buck in the mid and low range you can still do well with AMD. On the low range, its AMD all the way. Watch out on some of the AMD cpu's, as some of the qauds had nasty bugs. Would be worth your while to read some reviews on them before buying. I second that. If you want the absolutely very top ( sounds nice eh ? :D ) of x86 hardware, then go with an, say, intel corei7 975. But you're fine with a little less than it, then go for say, an amd phenon x4 955. They're very nice chips too, and waay cheaper. Core i7 975: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115212 Phenom x4 955: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674 Personally, i will be buying a phenom 2 black edition in the not too distant future. Me too (an x4, actually), and some radeons to play with gpu - cpu stuff. Nice ... Well I just ordered a core i7 920. Yeah the mainboard is a little more expensive, but what a nice little chip for the money. The 955 and 975's are a bit hard to justify for the money though. The Phenom's certianly are cheap, but I find that once you consider the cost of the system, not just the CPU, then the AMDs are too underpowered for the money, -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
Personally, i will be buying a phenom 2 black edition in the not too distant future. Dean I'm having Lenny 64-bit running on a ASUS M3N78PRO MOBO - 8 gb ram and the AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 940 Processor It's the fastest system I've worked with :-) and the cost for the mobo, processor and the ram is today approx 552 USD here in Denmark. frodo:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 - 3 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 16 model : 4 model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 940 Processor stepping: 2 cpu MHz : 3010.141 cache size : 512 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 4 core id : 3 cpu cores : 4 apicid : 3 initial apicid : 3 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt bogomips: 6020.46 TLB size: 1024 4K pages clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate / Dennis
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 08:45:24PM +0200, Dennis Johansen wrote: I'm having Lenny 64-bit running on a ASUS M3N78PRO MOBO - 8 gb ram and the AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 940 Processor It's the fastest system I've worked with :-) and the cost for the mobo, processor and the ram is today approx 552 USD here in Denmark. Then add the case, power supply, harddisk, video card (sorry onboard just doesn't interest me at all). Now you are at $1000. Add a nice monitor and you hit $1500. Now how much difference is there in price between the phenom and the core i7 system? Of course if your workload has no benefit from a core i7, then it is just a waste of money and the phenom would be a better choice for less money. I like AMD and I really hope they can come out with another intel beating chip soon, because the competition is great, and I will buy whatever is best at the tinme. I don't care if it is AMD or intel, as long as it is a good design and gives me good value for the money. The athlon 64 and opteron were amazing chips 5 years ago, and certainly proved just how bad the pentium 4 was (which I never considered buying at all). Unfortunately intel seems to have gained some clue again after the P4, and are finally making nice CPUs again. This of course is bad for AMD given intel has vastly more development resources than AMD does. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
AMD vs Intel in 2009
I'm looking at replacing a few boxes with some new Tyan boards - not too long ago AMD was pulling ahead - not so sure anymore. Like to get the take of some others here with wider experience than I have. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 The lack of money is the root of all evil. -- Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: AMD vs Intel in 2009
AMD cant beat the top end intels, But bang for buck in the mid and low range you can still do well with AMD. On the low range, its AMD all the way. Watch out on some of the AMD cpu's, as some of the qauds had nasty bugs. Would be worth your while to read some reviews on them before buying. Personally, i will be buying a phenom 2 black edition in the not too distant future. Dean Karl Schmidt wrote: I'm looking at replacing a few boxes with some new Tyan boards - not too long ago AMD was pulling ahead - not so sure anymore. Like to get the take of some others here with wider experience than I have. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 The lack of money is the root of all evil. -- Mark Twain -- http://fragfest.com.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
