dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
Dear Debian folks, I an running Lenny on an AMD64 box. I have 8GB of RAM on the machine in anticipation of putting Windows 7 on the machine. I know many Debian folks don't bother with Windows but I need it for certain things I do.. I bought an extra SATA drive and hooked it up so now I have two one with Debian on it. My plan is to install Windows on the new drive.. If you installed Windows on the new drive and then installed Debian grub would see the Windows on the other drive and create a boot option for you to fire it up if you wanted to when you boot the PC up. But if you installed debian first as I have on one disk and then add Windows on the other one then if you boot up the machine it will load Windows and you won't get a choice to fire up Linux (at least I don't expect it). I had a piece of software for Windows called Partition Magic which I seem to have lost. If I still had it I could install it on Windows (after installed that OS) and it would see the Linux on the other drive... I could set up its bootloading program and then when the machine rebooted it would give me choice to boot either Linux or the Windows.. That would be a way to load Linux first and Windows second on two separate drives and still be able to get a choice to load either OS on boot up of the PC.. Except of course there would be other ways because I have sent you this email and if you were kind you might point out some of them. I could cheat and install the Windows and then reinstall Debian and grub would see it but I don't want to do that. I want to keep the old installation. How would you modify grub to see a Windows OS that hasn't been installed yet? Could I use the installer in Debian to make Windows partition on the new drive and then install the Windows on it and then grub would see it and boot up seeing both OSes? It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. Suggestions welcome. Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinudw4mndadtr7xvplyp9=findx_vizzhex=...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
There's nothing amd64 specific in this question, debian-user would have been better. On Qua, 08 Dez 2010, Michael Fothergill wrote: I bought an extra SATA drive and hooked it up so now I have two one with Debian on it. My plan is to install Windows on the new drive.. If you installed Windows on the new drive and then installed Debian grub would see the Windows on the other drive and create a boot option for you to fire it up if you wanted to when you boot the PC up. But if you installed debian first as I have on one disk and then add Windows on the other one then if you boot up the machine it will load Windows and you won't get a choice to fire up Linux (at least I don't expect it). Yeah, installing Windows will probably overwrite you MBR and make you linux unbootable. But that's easy to recover. Just boot any linux CD (the debian installer CD will probably work, or use some live distro) and recover grub: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/restore-debian-linux-grub-boot-loader.html There are many other similar guides. It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. That is possible, but I have never tried. I personally don't like that solution much, I'd rather trust grub to boot Windows that trust Windows to boot anything that is not Windows. -- I don't get no respect. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101208095843.829477nnfbmrx...@mail.kalinowski.com.br
Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
trust grub to boot Windows that trust Windows to boot anything that is not Windows. -- I don't get no respect. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI ( The crux of the matter -- trust ) Is debian-lenny open source? Windoze obfuscated? Best to have two separate boxes interconnected by ether-net. At the very least have debian drive turned off when using Windoze of dual-boot-box. Power to drive switch can be obtained from WWW.COOLERGUYS.COM . cables cable adapters and extensions Molex 4 Pin on/off Power Switch 12V and 5V DC cable adapters and extensions Serial ATA Power Adapter UV blue Short of all that precaution, connect the new drive: with both drives powered up install debian onto new drive: from old drive which will show up as media on new installation, copy all files from /home to new installation /home; disconnect new debian drive; install doze onto old drive; reconnect new drive; configure BIOS to always boot up from new drive grub from which you can easily choose doze or debian. Never let doze see the linux. Always let linux see everything Good luck ! ☻☺ ---BeginMessage--- Dear Debian folks, I an running Lenny on an AMD64 box. I have 8GB of RAM on the machine in anticipation of putting Windows 7 on the machine. I know many Debian folks don't bother with Windows but I need it for certain things I do.. I bought an extra SATA drive and hooked it up so now I have two one with Debian on it. My plan is to install Windows on the new drive.. If you installed Windows on the new drive and then installed Debian grub would see the Windows on the other drive and create a boot option for you to fire it up if you wanted to when you boot the PC up. But if you installed debian first as I have on one disk and then add Windows on the other one then if you boot up the machine it will load Windows and you won't get a choice to fire up Linux (at least I don't expect it). I had a piece of software for Windows called Partition Magic which I seem to have lost. If I still had it I could install it on Windows (after installed that OS) and it would see the Linux on the other drive... I could set up its bootloading program and then when the machine rebooted it would give me choice to boot either Linux or the Windows.. That would be a way to load Linux first and Windows second on two separate drives and still be able to get a choice to load either OS on boot up of the PC.. Except of course there would be other ways because I have sent you this email and if you were kind you might point out some of them. I could cheat and install the Windows and then reinstall Debian and grub would see it but I don't want to do that. I want to keep the old installation. How would you modify grub to see a Windows OS that hasn't been installed yet? Could I use the installer in Debian to make Windows partition on the new drive and then install the Windows on it and then grub would see it and boot up seeing both OSes? It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. Suggestions welcome. Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinudw4mndadtr7xvplyp9=findx_vizzhex=...@mail.gmail.com ---End Message---
Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 11:43:02AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debian folks, I an running Lenny on an AMD64 box. I have 8GB of RAM on the machine in anticipation of putting Windows 7 on the machine. I know many Debian folks don't bother with Windows but I need it for certain things I do.. I bought an extra SATA drive and hooked it up so now I have two one with Debian on it. My plan is to install Windows on the new drive.. If you installed Windows on the new drive and then installed Debian grub would see the Windows on the other drive and create a boot option for you to fire it up if you wanted to when you boot the PC up. I believe windows won't boot unless it is on the primary harddisk. Linux is much less picky. This is why people usualyl say to install windows first, then install linux. linux knows how to share a machine, windows does not believe in sharing. Making your current debian install move from being the first harddisk to being the second might break things (although all fixable, it is all fstab and bootloader related, unless you happen to be using UUID based fstab and grub in which case everything might just work anyhow). Unfortunately Lenny does NOT use UUIDs normally, while Squeeze appears to default to it. You will want to switch to that first to make the fstab much more flexible about rearranging drives. But if you installed debian first as I have on one disk and then add Windows on the other one then if you boot up the machine it will load Windows and you won't get a choice to fire up Linux (at least I don't expect it). You can certainly have grub know about windows, it tends to detect that automaticly in most cases. I had a piece of software for Windows called Partition Magic which I seem to have lost. If I still had it I could install it on Windows (after installed that OS) and it would see the Linux on the other drive... I could set up its bootloading program and then when the machine rebooted it would give me choice to boot either Linux or the Windows.. Partition magic really isn't worth it anymore. It rarely works with modern large disks. That would be a way to load Linux first and Windows second on two separate drives and still be able to get a choice to load either OS on boot up of the PC.. Just have grub in the MBR of the primary disk with an option for both. Simple and reliable. Except of course there would be other ways because I have sent you this email and if you were kind you might point out some of them. I could cheat and install the Windows and then reinstall Debian and grub would see it but I don't want to do that. I want to keep the old installation. Well without fixing the config to have debian work from what would be the second disk after adding a new one, I don't believe you can get windows to work. How would you modify grub to see a Windows OS that hasn't been installed yet? Could I use the installer in Debian to make Windows partition on the new drive and then install the Windows on it and then grub would see it and boot up seeing both OSes? It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. Yes, but it's fragile and not worth doing that way. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101208160609.gp12...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
Partition magic really isn't worth it anymore. It rarely works with modern large disks. I agree. A similar open source solution that works better is GParted. They have a bootable iso that gives you the same type of functionality. That would be a way to load Linux first and Windows second on two separate drives and still be able to get a choice to load either OS on boot up of the PC.. How would you modify grub to see a Windows OS that hasn't been installed yet? Could I use the installer in Debian to make Windows partition on the new drive and then install the Windows on it and then grub would see it and boot up seeing both OSes? It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. Yes, but it's fragile and not worth doing that way. I believe he is trying to get similar functionality as the BootMagic software that was distributed with Partition Magic. It was essentially a boot loader that booted other bootloaders (lilo, grub, NT loader etc). Would recommend using Grub myself instead. Works better overall. It is simple enough to restore Grub to the MBR when Windows overwrites it by using a boot/rescue disc. Although, it is possible to add a Grub4DOS entry to the NT loader that would provide a failsafe to allow booting into Linux from Windows in the event Windows overwrites the bootloader on the MBR. -- Robert Goley FOSS Implementation Specialist Toll Free: (800) 338-4984 Local: (770) 479-7933 Fax: (770) 479-4076 www.openrda.com America's only Free Open Source fund accounting software company.
Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
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Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. Yes, but it's fragile and not worth doing that way. Depends on the version of grub: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550702 Grub in squeeze is 1.98 that bug is fixed in 1.99 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=-ef8=vpufumqtkh14hwthy0d-+fy5=hnqy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
Michael, I've got a dual boot. Linux on one drive and WXP on another. Very easy to set up. But as I remember, when I installed Windows, I disconnected the Linux drive while doing the install, then put the WXP drive on middle connector of ATA cable when I had that situation. But now I have two drives on SATA setup and WXP is on second SATA w. Linux on first SATA. I know everyone says Windows wants to be first but. Hey it works. When I boot up I have the Linux drive as first HD in boot up sequence. Actually, in my boot up sequence the machine doesn't even show the second drive but it still works. In /boot/grub/menu.lst add: ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ,--this is last line in menu.lst file and I added the next below it so it would not be in the update area title Windows XP --- Type Windows 7That is only a title.. map (hd0)(hd1) -- no spaces between items in par. map (hd1)(hd0) -- root (hd1,0) rootnoverify (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 -Save your menu.lst file--- The above is the last item in menu.lst and it will allow your Windows 7 item to show up after Linux so that when your boot process hits the menu list if nothing is done, it will start your linux setup first. w...@greatstar:/boot/grub$ cat device.map (hd0)/dev/sda (hd1)/dev/sdb Also in your /boot/grub directory is your device.map file. Insert the above in it and save it too. I have both drives attached to SATA connectors. If you have a setup using ATA use hda and hdb instead of sda and sdb. Anyway, as I said, Windows says it likes to be first on the hdw hookups. I have my linux drive setup first and have the linux drive being the first in the bootup process in the BIOS. Make sure your drives are hooked up again and then boot. You should get the menu and you can downspace to the Windows drive and see if it will come up. Mine has been working just fine w. this setup and I'm using AMD64 on an ASUS mtb w. no problem. HTH's Whit Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debian folks, I an running Lenny on an AMD64 box. I have 8GB of RAM on the machine in anticipation of putting Windows 7 on the machine. I know many Debian folks don't bother with Windows but I need it for certain things I do.. I bought an extra SATA drive and hooked it up so now I have two one with Debian on it. My plan is to install Windows on the new drive.. If you installed Windows on the new drive and then installed Debian grub would see the Windows on the other drive and create a boot option for you to fire it up if you wanted to when you boot the PC up. But if you installed debian first as I have on one disk and then add Windows on the other one then if you boot up the machine it will load Windows and you won't get a choice to fire up Linux (at least I don't expect it). I had a piece of software for Windows called Partition Magic which I seem to have lost. If I still had it I could install it on Windows (after installed that OS) and it would see the Linux on the other drive... I could set up its bootloading program and then when the machine rebooted it would give me choice to boot either Linux or the Windows.. That would be a way to load Linux first and Windows second on two separate drives and still be able to get a choice to load either OS on boot up of the PC.. Except of course there would be other ways because I have sent you this email and if you were kind you might point out some of them. I could cheat and install the Windows and then reinstall Debian and grub would see it but I don't want to do that. I want to keep the old installation. How would you modify grub to see a Windows OS that hasn't been installed yet? Could I use the installer in Debian to make Windows partition on the new drive and then install the Windows on it and then grub would see it and boot up seeing both OSes? It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. Suggestions welcome. Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cffd656.3070...@comcast.net
Re: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....
Michael, I just re-checked my instructions I had for myself elsewhere and found I had made a mistake. In the menu.lst file make sure there IS a space between the (hd0) and (hd1). Sorry about that. HTH's Whit Whit Hansell wrote: Michael, I've got a dual boot. Linux on one drive and WXP on another. Very easy to set up. But as I remember, when I installed Windows, I disconnected the Linux drive while doing the install, then put the WXP drive on middle connector of ATA cable when I had that situation. But now I have two drives on SATA setup and WXP is on second SATA w. Linux on first SATA. I know everyone says Windows wants to be first but. Hey it works. When I boot up I have the Linux drive as first HD in boot up sequence. Actually, in my boot up sequence the machine doesn't even show the second drive but it still works. In /boot/grub/menu.lst add: ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ,--this is last line in menu.lst file and I added the next below it so it would not be in the update area title Windows XP --- Type Windows 7That is only a title.. map (hd0)(hd1) -- no spaces between items in par. map (hd1)(hd0) -- root (hd1,0) rootnoverify (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 -Save your menu.lst file--- The above is the last item in menu.lst and it will allow your Windows 7 item to show up after Linux so that when your boot process hits the menu list if nothing is done, it will start your linux setup first. w...@greatstar:/boot/grub$ cat device.map (hd0)/dev/sda (hd1)/dev/sdb Also in your /boot/grub directory is your device.map file. Insert the above in it and save it too. I have both drives attached to SATA connectors. If you have a setup using ATA use hda and hdb instead of sda and sdb. Anyway, as I said, Windows says it likes to be first on the hdw hookups. I have my linux drive setup first and have the linux drive being the first in the bootup process in the BIOS. Make sure your drives are hooked up again and then boot. You should get the menu and you can downspace to the Windows drive and see if it will come up. Mine has been working just fine w. this setup and I'm using AMD64 on an ASUS mtb w. no problem. HTH's Whit Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debian folks, I an running Lenny on an AMD64 box. I have 8GB of RAM on the machine in anticipation of putting Windows 7 on the machine. I know many Debian folks don't bother with Windows but I need it for certain things I do.. I bought an extra SATA drive and hooked it up so now I have two one with Debian on it. My plan is to install Windows on the new drive.. If you installed Windows on the new drive and then installed Debian grub would see the Windows on the other drive and create a boot option for you to fire it up if you wanted to when you boot the PC up. But if you installed debian first as I have on one disk and then add Windows on the other one then if you boot up the machine it will load Windows and you won't get a choice to fire up Linux (at least I don't expect it). I had a piece of software for Windows called Partition Magic which I seem to have lost. If I still had it I could install it on Windows (after installed that OS) and it would see the Linux on the other drive... I could set up its bootloading program and then when the machine rebooted it would give me choice to boot either Linux or the Windows.. That would be a way to load Linux first and Windows second on two separate drives and still be able to get a choice to load either OS on boot up of the PC.. Except of course there would be other ways because I have sent you this email and if you were kind you might point out some of them. I could cheat and install the Windows and then reinstall Debian and grub would see it but I don't want to do that. I want to keep the old installation. How would you modify grub to see a Windows OS that hasn't been installed yet? Could I use the installer in Debian to make Windows partition on the new drive and then install the Windows on it and then grub would see it and boot up seeing both OSes? It is possible I think to modify the bootloader in Windows (without using e.g. Partition Magic) to sniff out the Linux and allow you to choice of booting it when you boot up the PC.. Suggestions welcome. Regards Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cffe888.7040...@comcast.net
