Re: nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
Karl, I can see nvidia-kernel-source in my debian unstable package list, though i have no 'src' line in sources.list. Probably because that package can not have a binary counterpart unless you used it :) When i used this package (along nvidia-glx and module-assistant) in the past, i just issued 'm-a a-i' (as root) on commandline; then, module-assistant asked to install the required kernel headers for the running kernel, then compiled the kernel specific driver, then installed it as debian package. [You might want to issue 'm-a nvidia clean' as first step.] There was only one hazzle, it had to be repeated for any kernel upgrade. However that was not too frequent, and anyway, the procedure needs less than a minute. I could run google earth with this driver, seamless, but this was on amd64 and the amd64 g.e. package got uninstallable there (and i assume it still is, though there is rumor some work under way) so i can't tell the actual status. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130429154242.70a14...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
'm-a a-i' sorry, should be: m-a a-i nvidia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130429154448.7c88e...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Don't use the nvidia package from debian for googleearth. They do not work, as the 32-bit-libs of nvidia have dependency problems. Obviously no one cared for this at the moment. Just download the installer from the nvidia website and execute it - works like a charm! yes, sure. Then relax as it hoses your system... I had to fix countless workstations because someone had done exactly this. Then, sooner or later (typically: sooner) one or another software upgrade conflicts with the many files distributed by the nvidia installer throughout the system, without registering them with the packaging system and no regard with debian filesystem hierarchy guidelines. Cleaning up the resulting mess is quite a bit of work, when (not if) you will need to. I have an alternative suggestion: if you really need recent, up to date nvidia drivers, get the _source_ debian package from unstable. You can do this by adding a deb-src line pointing to unstable in your /etc/apt/sources.list, or a file containing it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ (mind you: deb-src, not deb!). Then you just do: apt-get source nvidia-glx then you go into the newly created directory, read the debian/README.source file and follow the instructions to create a clean backport, resulting in proper deb packages that you can install. The additional utilities (e.g. nvidia-kernel-common etc.) and scripts can be installed from the http://backports.debian.org repository matching your installed distribution. A bit more work to do, but this will be a long-term solution, easy to maintain following upgrades, and it will not hose your system. Just my 2¢... Good luck, indeed! Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas gmu...@oa-cagliari.inaf.it _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _
Re: nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 04:08:58PM +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Don't use the nvidia package from debian for googleearth. They do not work, as the 32-bit-libs of nvidia have dependency problems. Obviously no one cared for this at the moment. Just download the installer from the nvidia website and execute it - works like a charm! yes, sure. Then relax as it hoses your system... I had to fix countless workstations because someone had done exactly this. Then, sooner or later (typically: sooner) one or another software upgrade conflicts with the many files distributed by the nvidia installer throughout the system, without registering them with the packaging system and no regard with debian filesystem hierarchy guidelines. Cleaning up the resulting mess is quite a bit of work, when (not if) you will need to. I have done many cleanups too. I even documented nicely how to install the debian packaged version for many years. I think it is Windows's fault that people think downloading and running random executables is a good idea (which also probably explains why windows machines are so often broken). of course when the upgrade eventually breaks it, people blame debian's upgrade, not the mess they chose to create. I have an alternative suggestion: if you really need recent, up to date nvidia drivers, get the _source_ debian package from unstable. You can do this by adding a deb-src line pointing to unstable in your /etc/apt/sources.list, or a file containing it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ (mind you: deb-src, not deb!). Then you just do: apt-get source nvidia-glx then you go into the newly created directory, read the debian/README.source file and follow the instructions to create a clean backport, resulting in proper deb packages that you can install. The additional utilities (e.g. nvidia-kernel-common etc.) and scripts can be installed from the http://backports.debian.org repository matching your installed distribution. A bit more work to do, but this will be a long-term solution, easy to maintain following upgrades, and it will not hose your system. Just my 2¢... I will double that too. Good luck, indeed! Yeah anyone following the advice of using nvidia's isntaller will need it. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130426160917.gi21...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
Nvidia's refusal to be Linux friendly is well known and they leave messes behind - but back to my original question: does anyone use nouveau on later nvidia cards ? How well does it work? ( I've read that it supports dual heading ) .. I saw a few more kernel bugs for nouveau listed while I was debugging my wheezy upgrade.. My hunch is it is very close to being usable. If not - I will look into moving to AMD if I can find cards that support dual-head 1920 x 1200 res for each output.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing wrong with this, except that it ain't so. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/517aae0c.30...@xtronics.com
Re: nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
On 04/24/2013 12:00 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Don't use the nvidia package from debian for googleearth. They do not work, as the 32-bit-libs of nvidia have dependency problems. Obviously no one cared for this at the moment. Just download the installer from the nvidia website and execute it - works like a charm! Not the issue - I want to transition to nouveau if it is workable - best to have a pure Debian system. It looks as if the nouveau have confidence as there is this: nvidia-installer-cleanup Which removes the system corrupting mess the proprietary installs. The debian way listed here is the best way to install the proprietary kernel modules. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://secure.transtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing wrong with this, except that it ain't so. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5177fda1.7070...@xtronics.com
nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
I was trying to get google earth to work with the proprietary driver - it fails, so I thought I would try the nouveau driver as it now supports dual monitors. Never got it to recognize the card ( seems strange as wheezey is just about stable? ) I followed the error -16 back to kernel issues and figured I was in over my head. I'm wondering if there are others here that might know what differences there are between nouveau and nvidia for non gamers? Did they get the bugs out of nouveau? Speed issues? ,.,.,. Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.737229] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.753697] wmi: Mapper loaded Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.769488] nouveau :09:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.769515] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Detected an NV50 generation card (0x092a00a2) Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.773111] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Checking PRAMIN for VBIOS Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816358] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: ... appears to be valid Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816360] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Using VBIOS from PRAMIN Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816364] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: BIT BIOS found Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816367] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Bios version 62.92.89.00 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816370] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: TMDS table version 2.0 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816536] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: MXM: no VBIOS data, nothing to do Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816539] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB version 4.0 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816542] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB outp 00: 02000300 0028 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816545] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB outp 01: 01000302 00020030 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816547] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB outp 02: 04011310 0028 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816550] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB outp 03: 02011312 00020030 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816552] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB outp 04: 010223f1 00c0c083 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816555] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB conn 00: 1030 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816557] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB conn 01: 2130 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816559] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB conn 02: 0210 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816562] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB conn 03: 0211 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816564] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB conn 04: 0213 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.816568] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Parsing VBIOS init table 0 at offset 0xC893 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.839884] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Parsing VBIOS init table 1 at offset 0xCE3B Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.842696] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Parsing VBIOS init table 2 at offset 0xDBB0 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.842703] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Parsing VBIOS init table 3 at offset 0xDCAE Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.843765] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Parsing VBIOS init table 4 at offset 0xDF16 Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.843767] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Parsing VBIOS init table at offset 0xDF7B Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.863575] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: 0xDF7B: Condition still not met after 20ms, skipping following opcodes Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.869099] [TTM] Zone kernel: Available graphics memory: 1542100 kiB Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.869102] [TTM] Initializing pool allocator Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.869109] [TTM] Initializing DMA pool allocator Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.869121] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: Detected 512MiB VRAM (GDDR3) Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.872605] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: 512 MiB GART (aperture) Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.921563] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: DCB encoder 1 unknown Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.921567] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: TV-1 has no encoders, removing Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.923450] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 1 (10.10.2010). Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.923452] [drm] No driver support for vblank timestamp query. Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.928446] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: 2 available performance level(s) Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.928451] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: 0: core 300MHz shader 600MHz memory 100MHz voltage 950mV fanspeed 100% Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel: [44406.928456] [drm] nouveau :09:00.0: 3: core 550MHz shader 1375MHz memory 900MHz voltage 1000mV fanspeed 100% Apr 21 13:37:45 singapore kernel:
Re: nvidia 9800 GT with nouveau on wheezy
Don't use the nvidia package from debian for googleearth. They do not work, as the 32-bit-libs of nvidia have dependency problems. Obviously no one cared for this at the moment. Just download the installer from the nvidia website and execute it - works like a charm! Good luck! Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201304240700.15052.hans.ullr...@loop.de
