Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
Am 2008-10-29 19:58:44, schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: [ I am not subscribed so please CC: me.] Maybe you hit http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501957? Merde, Scheiße, Shit... I hit it... :-/ Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:35:30AM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: I think, 512 MByte in the i.MX31 is enough to run OOo. Should be plenty. OK, it is only an Evaluation Board, but how many memory do you suggest for an Outdoor HandBag TablePC? It will have additionaly a GSM/UMTS/HSDPA chip, a GPS and Wifi abg chip (from Maxim) and BlueTooth. The display is 8 or 84 TFT with 800x600. I hope it works because the size, since otherwise I have to use 800x480. The 2 (independant) Akkus are Li-Polymer 7.2V and 3.6-4.5 Ah (it depend) No idea. I am a software developer, not a hardware designer. I think this too, but how can I debug such things on my system? I have problems running the ICE debuger on the JTAG under Linux, exactly, I cant them convince to work with Debian. Not sure a hardware debugger is of any use. This sounds really like a plain old software bug that someone just needs to fix (if anyone cares about java/openoffice on arm that is. I certainly don't). Hmmm, you give me hope, that my hardware is not broken... And since it srashs on Atmel and Freescale CPU's I can not bother the Technical Support with it or should I? No, I don't think a bug in gcc, java or openoffice is necesarily something they want to help with. It doesn't sound like a hardware problem after all. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 05:28:46PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I see, OOo 2.4.1 does exist for Lenny and ARMEL and I like to know, how much Memory I must have to run it since I have 1) Atmel AT91SAM9G20 (400 MHz) 256 MByte mobileSDRAM 2x 512 MByte NAND Flash 2) Freescale i.MX31 (532 MHz) 512 MByte mobileSDRAM 512 MByte (I need 3 times more of it) of NAND Flash On none of those two machines I can run OOo. [SEGV] People run OOo on Nokia N800, omap2 330Mhz 128MiB of RAM (+ swap, obciously). So it certainly should be possible on your hardware too. You might want to try to install openoffice.org-dbg and use gdb to see where is exactly it's segfaulting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
Hi! On Wednesday 29 October 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:35:30AM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: I think, 512 MByte in the i.MX31 is enough to run OOo. Should be plenty. OK, it is only an Evaluation Board, but how many memory do you suggest for an Outdoor HandBag TablePC? ... I suggest : 1) make it work 2) reduce the memory until it's no more useable using the MEM= command line parameter. It will have additionaly a GSM/UMTS/HSDPA chip, a GPS and Wifi abg chip (from Maxim) and BlueTooth. The display is 8 or 84 TFT with 800x600. I hope it works because the size, since otherwise I have to use 800x480. The 2 (independant) Akkus are Li-Polymer 7.2V and 3.6-4.5 Ah (it depend) No idea. I am a software developer, not a hardware designer. Your memory needs for running GSM/UMTS/HSDPA/bluethooth, is something like 2-5 % of what you need for OOo ;) The batterie(s) will only change how much time the system will run, and this is really out of scope. I think this too, but how can I debug such things on my system? I have problems running the ICE debuger on the JTAG under Linux, exactly, I cant them convince to work with Debian. Not sure a hardware debugger is of any use. This sounds really like a plain old software bug that someone just needs to fix (if anyone cares about java/openoffice on arm that is. I certainly don't). Hardware debuggers (as far as I know them) will only let you debugging the kernel, not the userland. userland can be debugged unsing the same standard tools available on your x86 (gdb(server), strace, ...). Hmmm, you give me hope, that my hardware is not broken... ... Before using such big tools, you can probably find where the bug is by simply examining the stack trace, core dump or such things (perhaps installing OOo -dbg will help). Have you searched in the bug report? or posted a bug-report? I'm sure you're not the only one wanting to make that work. Best regards Marc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
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Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
Hello Marc, Am 2008-10-29 17:43:15, schrieb Marc Pignat: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:35:30AM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: OK, it is only an Evaluation Board, but how many memory do you suggest for an Outdoor HandBag TablePC? I suggest : 1) make it work 2) reduce the memory until it's no more useable using the MEM= command line parameter. OK, I will try it... Hardware debuggers (as far as I know them) will only let you debugging the kernel, not the userland. userland can be debugged unsing the same standard tools available on your x86 (gdb(server), strace, ...). OK, I will try it... Before using such big tools, you can probably find where the bug is by simply examining the stack trace, core dump or such things (perhaps installing OOo -dbg will help). I have already tried strace bit then I get a file (from start to crash) in the size of over 60 MByte... Have you searched in the bug report? or posted a bug-report? SEARCH: OOo has many bugreports and I have already checked nearly the half of them. FILED: Not currently since first I like to know, whether the crash is provoced by me or not. I'm sure you're not the only one wanting to make that work. When I was talking about building a i.MX31 based TablePC, I was a little bit flooded from all over the world. Yes, I am not the only one trying to build a ARM based Mini-Computer. And Bugs like the one I have encountered, are important for us. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 05:28:46PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I see, OOo 2.4.1 does exist for Lenny and ARMEL and I like to know, how much Memory I must have to run it since I have 1) Atmel AT91SAM9G20 (400 MHz) 256 MByte mobileSDRAM 2x 512 MByte NAND Flash 2) Freescale i.MX31 (532 MHz) 512 MByte mobileSDRAM 512 MByte (I need 3 times more of it) of NAND Flash On none of those two machines I can run OOo. [SEGV] SEGV means there is a bug. It might be that low ram triggers the bug, but it is still very much a bug. Not checking the return code of a malloc call is not acceptable coding practice and should be fixed. It could also have nothing to do with ram of course and simply be a bug of some sort. All other stuff is running fine... Except Apache and Courier, which become instable, if I have multiple connections. I should note, that I can run OOo 2.0 on a IBM TP570 (366MHz, 192 MByte) without any problems and the two ARM machines are more powerful. Well that's x86. Much less likely to have compiler bugs and such since so many people use and test that. So I would say there is a bug in OOo or the toolchain on arm. Given how often java is broken on different machine types, and OOo likes using java for stuff, it doesn't surprise me at all. So it isn't a ram problem, just a bug. :) -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
Hello Lennart, Am 2008-10-28 10:11:02, schrieb Lennart Sorensen: SEGV means there is a bug. It might be that low ram triggers the bug, but it is still very much a bug. Not checking the return code of a malloc call is not acceptable coding practice and should be fixed. I think, 512 MByte in the i.MX31 is enough to run OOo. OK, it is only an Evaluation Board, but how many memory do you suggest for an Outdoor HandBag TablePC? It will have additionaly a GSM/UMTS/HSDPA chip, a GPS and Wifi abg chip (from Maxim) and BlueTooth. The display is 8 or 84 TFT with 800x600. I hope it works because the size, since otherwise I have to use 800x480. The 2 (independant) Akkus are Li-Polymer 7.2V and 3.6-4.5 Ah (it depend) It could also have nothing to do with ram of course and simply be a bug of some sort. I think this too, but how can I debug such things on my system? I have problems running the ICE debuger on the JTAG under Linux, exactly, I cant them convince to work with Debian. Well that's x86. Much less likely to have compiler bugs and such since so many people use and test that. So I would say there is a bug in OOo or the toolchain on arm. Given how often java is broken on different machine types, and OOo likes using java for stuff, it doesn't surprise me at all. I know :-/ So it isn't a ram problem, just a bug. :) Hmmm, you give me hope, that my hardware is not broken... And since it srashs on Atmel and Freescale CPU's I can not bother the Technical Support with it or should I? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
How much mobileSDRAM do I need for OOo?
Hello, I see, OOo 2.4.1 does exist for Lenny and ARMEL and I like to know, how much Memory I must have to run it since I have 1) Atmel AT91SAM9G20 (400 MHz) 256 MByte mobileSDRAM 2x 512 MByte NAND Flash 2) Freescale i.MX31 (532 MHz) 512 MByte mobileSDRAM 512 MByte (I need 3 times more of it) of NAND Flash On none of those two machines I can run OOo. [SEGV] All other stuff is running fine... Except Apache and Courier, which become instable, if I have multiple connections. I should note, that I can run OOo 2.0 on a IBM TP570 (366MHz, 192 MByte) without any problems and the two ARM machines are more powerful. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
