Re: all translations for Jessie are 403.

2017-11-09 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Thursday 09 November 2017 10:29:06 peter green wrote:

> On 09/11/17 06:22, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 09 November 2017 00:54:52 Paul Wise wrote:
> >> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> I did an update on an armhf/jessie install last night, and noticed
> >>> that all the files for translations were missing, which resulted
> >>> in quite a bit of verbosity from synaptic.  Its been this way for
> >>> in excess of a week.
> >>
> >> You will need to be more specific; which sources.list are you
> >> using, what errors are you getting etc.
> >
> > This sources.list:
> > pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> > deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib
> > non-free rpi
> > # Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get
> > source' #deb-src http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main
> > contrib non-free rpi
> >
> > And in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
> > pi@picnc:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ cat raspi.list
> > deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui
> > # Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get
> > source' #deb-src http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main
> > ui
> >
> > And
> > pi@picnc:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ cat linuxcnc-buildbot.list
> > #debhttp://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim
> > #deb-srchttp://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim
> > deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim
> >
> > Just now its upgrading about 8 or 9 files but isn't fussing about
> > translations. Its not doing the kernel because its a special kernel
> > I have pinned.
> >
> > And as I said, apparently all the translations are missing.
> >
> > And tonight, because you asked for the errors, it all worked on the
> > rpi3. And thats the only jessie install.  Go figure. But then I was
> > running apt over an ssh login. Not synaptic because some "genius"
> > has set up a security rule someplace I haven't yet found and nuked
> > that keeps me from running synaptic-pkexec over an ssh -Y session.
>
> What puzzles me is I don't think raspbian has ever shipped
> translations, so I wonder what has changed recently.

Well, they have been keeping jessie up to date. But since theres no 
stretch stuff yet, I'm getting the impression raspbian may turn out to 
be a one hit wonder. I've got the rock64 hooked up and theres at least 
as much activity in the stretch version on it. But its not set to 
autoboot on power restoration, so I was not aware it was on the missing 
list when I came in for the night last night.  The pi/jessie is on its 
own 240 breaker.

I am using one of those miniature ceramic element electric heaters in my 
very well insulated garage, and am finding out its extremely sensitive 
to conductive dust in the air because of the very limited space the 
conductive ceramic blocks occupy between the much larger contacts that 
are the finned heat things the fan blows thru. And sitting within reach 
of the floats on air alu shavings coming from the milling machine as I 
was putting the finishing touches on as clamp ring to lock a 35 lb 8" 
lathe chuck on a threaded spindle nose, it sucked in enough of that 
stuff to cause a short, blowing a 15 amp breaker, twice, whose load 
included the rock64 and another old dell I use to program the mesa fpga 
cards with.

Not as it turns out, a good heater for a dirty environment. So if thats 
the case, do not buy one of the "ceramic" heaters.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: all translations for Jessie are 403.

2017-11-09 Thread peter green 

On 09/11/17 06:22, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 09 November 2017 00:54:52 Paul Wise wrote:


On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

I did an update on an armhf/jessie install last night, and noticed
that all the files for translations were missing, which resulted in
quite a bit of verbosity from synaptic.  Its been this way for in
excess of a week.

You will need to be more specific; which sources.list are you using,
what errors are you getting etc.

This sources.list:
pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib
non-free rpi
# Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source'
#deb-src http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib
non-free rpi

And in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
pi@picnc:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ cat raspi.list
deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui
# Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source'
#deb-src http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui

And
pi@picnc:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ cat linuxcnc-buildbot.list
#debhttp://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim
#deb-srchttp://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim
deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim

Just now its upgrading about 8 or 9 files but isn't fussing about
translations. Its not doing the kernel because its a special kernel I
have pinned.

And as I said, apparently all the translations are missing.

And tonight, because you asked for the errors, it all worked on the rpi3.
And thats the only jessie install.  Go figure. But then I was running
apt over an ssh login. Not synaptic because some "genius" has set up a
security rule someplace I haven't yet found and nuked that keeps me from
running synaptic-pkexec over an ssh -Y session.


What puzzles me is I don't think raspbian has ever shipped translations, so I 
wonder what has changed recently.

Re: all translations for Jessie are 403.

2017-11-09 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Thursday 09 November 2017 02:33:40 Paul Wise wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/
> > http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
>
> These aren't Debian mirrors, so you are going to have to ask the
> Raspbian and LinuxCNC folks about the errors.
>
I saw that when I had pasted in the file contents. Its my understanding 
that those are, except for the armhf peculiarities, straight copies of 
x86 stuff. The LinuxCNC does not have a full complement of translations 
available due to lack of man power fluent in some of the more obscure 
languages despite the fact that its become the goto language to update 
older machinery to when the proprietary controls die and the maker is no 
more.

> > Should there be a diff between apt and synaptic?
>
> I wouldn't have thought so.

Neither would I.

Unfortunately, raspbian only has a forum, no mailing list, and replies 
are very hard to get, and usually miss the point of the question asked 
so IMO the lack of support is seriously impinging on what can be done 
with it.  Same situation with what should be the pi killer, the rock64, 
from the pine people which is many times (10x or more) faster than a pi 
due to architectural changes and has 4x the memory for a $44 bill. But I 
have been unsuccessfull at obtaining the header files for its broadcom 
gpio chip from them in order to port the pi's spi driver to it. On the 
pi, with a cable about an inch long, I am writing to the interfacing 
card at 41 megabaud, and reading the cards responses at 25 megabaud.  
And making 1500 lbs of an old Sheldon metal lathe do things it never 
imagined it could do when new back in the 1950's.

debian's open attitude is a breath of fresh air and I silently thank them 
every day. The other distros all have so much "my way or the highway" 
attitude that is off-putting to say the least. debian tries to help, but 
understandably hasn't a clue what other distro's do with their stuff.
Full arm64 support being added to debian would be very very nice. But its 
a chicken v egg + available, knowledgable manpower thing so it lags 
behind the hardware available today. Arm has more variations today than 
x86 ever had. It will take a decade to sort the losers into the 
wastebasket just like it took a decade + to sort the x86 stuff down to 
todays main players.

Thank you very much. 

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: all translations for Jessie are 403.

2017-11-08 Thread Paul Wise 
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/
> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/

These aren't Debian mirrors, so you are going to have to ask the
Raspbian and LinuxCNC folks about the errors.

> Should there be a diff between apt and synaptic?

I wouldn't have thought so.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: all translations for Jessie are 403.

2017-11-08 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Thursday 09 November 2017 00:54:52 Paul Wise wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I did an update on an armhf/jessie install last night, and noticed
> > that all the files for translations were missing, which resulted in
> > quite a bit of verbosity from synaptic.  Its been this way for in
> > excess of a week.
>
> You will need to be more specific; which sources.list are you using,
> what errors are you getting etc.
This sources.list:
pi@picnc:~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib 
non-free rpi
# Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source'
#deb-src http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie main contrib 
non-free rpi

And in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
pi@picnc:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ cat raspi.list
deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui
# Uncomment line below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source'
#deb-src http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ jessie main ui

And
pi@picnc:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ cat linuxcnc-buildbot.list
#debhttp://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim
#deb-srchttp://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim
deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ jessie master-sim

Just now its upgrading about 8 or 9 files but isn't fussing about 
translations. Its not doing the kernel because its a special kernel I 
have pinned.

And as I said, apparently all the translations are missing.

And tonight, because you asked for the errors, it all worked on the rpi3.  
And thats the only jessie install.  Go figure. But then I was running 
apt over an ssh login. Not synaptic because some "genius" has set up a 
security rule someplace I haven't yet found and nuked that keeps me from 
running synaptic-pkexec over an ssh -Y session.

> > Has something been changed that requires a sources.list update?
>
> That seems unlikely.

Should there be a diff between apt and synaptic?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: all translations for Jessie are 403.

2017-11-08 Thread Paul Wise 
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> I did an update on an armhf/jessie install last night, and noticed that
> all the files for translations were missing, which resulted in quite a
> bit of verbosity from synaptic.  Its been this way for in excess of a
> week.

You will need to be more specific; which sources.list are you using,
what errors are you getting etc.

> Has something been changed that requires a sources.list update?

That seems unlikely.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise