Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On 26 Dec, Cam Hutchison wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this: * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes, custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity. * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone integrated with it. * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or OpenFWWF * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc) * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary bootloader or whatever. * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS * a few USB ports would be nice * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever One device that comes close is the FritzBox 7390: http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php They're decent devices. The default firmware is really quite flexible and I've not bothered hacking it since I got a newer model. It handles DECT, ISDN and analogue phones along with SIP to my Nokia N900 or desktop. Outgoing calls can be intelligently routed so I can configure different phone companies depending on the destination phone number. I've also got one of their custom phones, the main advantage of which is that you can edit the addressbook from the web interface. The big problem holding me back from this is that there does seem to be a hacking community, but it's all in German (not surprising, since AVM is a German manufacturer). The main hacking community I'm aware of is at freetz.org. Much of their wiki is in English (some of it translated by me). freetz is actually a modification of the default firmware to add some extra stuff and remove unnecessary bits. I think they keep the original kernel because of some necessary binary blobs. The other main resource is http://www.wehavemorefun.de/fritzbox/ but that is more concerned with the default firmware and is largely all in German. At a simpler level, you can enable telnet and put a Debian chroot on a USB stick but there isn't a great deal of RAM left for anything you might want to run in the chroot. Anyway, if you want help in English or translations of any key pages that are in German, feel free to contact me. Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/16682.1325768...@thecus.kiddle.eu
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Hi list! what about speedport (a branded tcom of Fritz!Box, is almost the same hardware as fritz but cheep). About customize the firmware to make it function like a Fritz!Box, as there is freetz for FritzBox on speedport there is speed2fritz. My favorite product are: speedport w501v (like 7141 without USB, work only in Annex B, no way to use it with Annex A and VOIP) speedport w701v (like 7140 without USB, working perfectly) speedport w900v (like 7270 with 802.11g, working perfectly) speedport w920v (like 7270 with 802.11gN, working perfectly) Happy new year! federico -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CA+KKcbk5sRnrO9=um9bv50zogrn31g4_wnbcynys9q7f3xt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure with a single device running Debian. paul, hi, if you're still on the mad scheme of doing everything in a single box, to give yourself hell _and_ high water for the purposes of reducing that rats nets by a mere oo 30%, here's a product that apparently actually exists, is in stock, and might err... well i'd say it'd help but it's best if i say that it'll get you towards the goal :) ADSL2+ PCI modem from linitx.com: http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=12181 l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPweEDx66tk=zx5q2fttu7myhurn2-m9g3ot_12x-gjkcan...@mail.gmail.com
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this: * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes, custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity. * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone integrated with it. * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or OpenFWWF * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc) * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary bootloader or whatever. * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS * a few USB ports would be nice * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever One device that comes close is the FritzBox 7390: http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php The big problem holding me back from this is that there does seem to be a hacking community, but it's all in German (not surprising, since AVM is a German manufacturer). I've lost track of this product over the last year or so, so I'm not sure where the hacking community is on it - perhaps there's more English resources by now. I don't know where in the world you live, so this may not be available to you. It came to Australia earlier this year (2011). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1763.4ef7d60c.5e...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:33:12PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Sangoma has only the S518 card which is an old outdated ADSL card which support only 8 Mbit RAW downstream and 762 kbit RAW upstream. They had an S519 but apparently stopped making it. The S518 is very much outdated and requires some non-free firmware too. Paul and me searching for ADSL2+ with at least 16 Mbit IP downstraam and over 1 Mbit IP upstream. My current crap router of an Alice-Box make ~16,8 Mbit down and 1,4 Mbit upstream. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111223151801.gk27...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Hi Paul, Interesting question. I'm also interested in what devices come out of this discussion. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices: [SNIP: Siemens SpeedStream 4200, Netgear WGR614L, Minitar MVA11A, old Panasonic cordless phone] I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this: Are you looking for embedded device or PC-style (mainboard with extension cards) solution. * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes, custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity. OpenWRT would be my choice for embedded devices. I currently run 2.6 kernel on 2 WRT54G devices (as AP) and have no issues. * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone integrated with it. There are WiFi SIP phones out there. With a SIP provider there is no need for any analog connection. Also some OpenWRT supported devices have FXO/FXS. It's worth wile to have a look at OpenWRT's table of hardware [1] [1] http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage. [SNIP, some more items] One device I think may be compatible with your list is the AVM FRITZ!Box Fon WLAN 7170, which is on OpenWRT toh. My setup is split into multiple boxes, but cabling wise I think it's manageable. I have a Speedtouch ST780WL in PPPoA to PPTP mode, a PCengines ALIX board with OpenWRT on CF and a separate switch. I do not use VoIP. GRTNX, RobJE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CA+HYJN8GFJW=ktzcwzady-boe9ebnkyy2bax-k4f6yfi8vg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Rob J. Epping wrote (ao): ? ? ?* it needs to have ADSL2+ support, The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage. I have a Traverse Solos ADSL2+ 2 port PCI card. http://www.traverse.com.au/productview.php?range_id=2 Sander -- Humilis IT Services and Solutions http://www.humilis.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111222091414.ga1...@attic.humilis.net
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices: * Siemens SpeedStream 4200. This is an ADSL2+ modem running the supplied OS. It is running in bridge mode, DSL port plugged into the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter and the Ethernet port is plugged into the Netgear WGR614L router/switch. * Netgear WGR614L. This is a router, Ethernet switch and WiFi AP, currently running an old patched up custom build of OpenWRT. Its WAN port connects to the SpeedStream and talks PPPoE to my ISP via the SpeedStream. The four Ethernet ports are a switch, plugged into a PC and the Minitar MVA11A. * Minitar MVA11A. This is a SIP router with FXO/FXS ports and an Ethernet port. FXO port plugs into the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter, FXS into the cordless phone, Ethernet into the WGR614L. * old Panasonic cordless phone paul, not being funny or anything, but i did a single-box setup. got an ADSL PCI modem card (which required non-free firmware) and got an expensive but recommended digicom Asterisk dual-FXO/FXS PCI card which required a special kernel compile that destabilised the whole system. yes it worked, but to be honest the number of cables wasn't significantly reduced. i still had to have a WIFI router, i still had to have an 8-port ethernet switch, i still had to have 3 sets of telephone wires. in other words, for an approximately 20% reduction in rats nest, i got a f*** of a lot of hassle, had to set up firewalling which would otherwise be dealt with by the router box, had to deal with IP MASQ (which would otherwise be dealt with by the router box), had to learn how to set up, configure and maintain asterisk. bottom line is: i won't be doing that ever again. a much better setup would be something like wot phil hands has: he runs freeswitch, has had his telephone ported to an Internet Service, then gets freeswitch to ring his mobile (N900), the home landline, the desktop SIP phone _and_ the Nokia N900 (as a SIP client). of course, that means having a leased server, but at least then the wires aren't in your living room. if you can't afford a wholle leased server, xenhosting.co.uk do really low-cost XEN VMs for something ridiculously low like £15 per month, last time i checked. l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/capweedyxrbkbo6tucf3wkc6+mx8msavjpswtq123jv-eqyw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 01:38:04PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices: * Siemens SpeedStream 4200. This is an ADSL2+ modem running the supplied OS. It is running in bridge mode, DSL port plugged into the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter and the Ethernet port is plugged into the Netgear WGR614L router/switch. * Netgear WGR614L. This is a router, Ethernet switch and WiFi AP, currently running an old patched up custom build of OpenWRT. Its WAN port connects to the SpeedStream and talks PPPoE to my ISP via the SpeedStream. The four Ethernet ports are a switch, plugged into a PC and the Minitar MVA11A. * Minitar MVA11A. This is a SIP router with FXO/FXS ports and an Ethernet port. FXO port plugs into the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter, FXS into the cordless phone, Ethernet into the WGR614L. * old Panasonic cordless phone paul, not being funny or anything, but i did a single-box setup. got an ADSL PCI modem card (which required non-free firmware) and got an expensive but recommended digicom Asterisk dual-FXO/FXS PCI card which required a special kernel compile that destabilised the whole system. yes it worked, but to be honest the number of cables wasn't significantly reduced. i still had to have a WIFI router, i still had to have an 8-port ethernet switch, i still had to have 3 sets of telephone wires. in other words, for an approximately 20% reduction in rats nest, i got a f*** of a lot of hassle, had to set up firewalling which would otherwise be dealt with by the router box, had to deal with IP MASQ (which would otherwise be dealt with by the router box), had to learn how to set up, configure and maintain asterisk. Slightly Off topic, here. As I work for one of those companies with DAHDI drivers, I'll point out that a DAHDI package is included in Debian. I have not tried it yet on my N900, but I did try it on a a SheevaPlug and a Loongson laptop. I try to maintain a repository with drivers that are not inthe main DAHDI distribution and are still well maintained: https://gitorious.org/dahdi-extra/dahdi-linux-extra If you have any drivers to be included there, feel free to point me to them (or otherwise help maintain it). I'm not aware of any widely-used interface in the kernel to similar hardware. As for getting DAHDI into mainline: not my call, sadly. Staying off-topic, I should also point out the Vilage Telco project and their Mesh Potato, that manage to get something useful out of Asterisk DAHDI (with their own hardware and Linux on top of a Blackfin CPU. http://villagetelco.org/ -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111222151409.gn8...@pear.tzafrir.org.il
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 02:15:40PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices: * Siemens SpeedStream 4200. This is an ADSL2+ modem running the supplied OS. It is running in bridge mode, DSL port plugged into the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter and the Ethernet port is plugged into the Netgear WGR614L router/switch. * Netgear WGR614L. This is a router, Ethernet switch and WiFi AP, currently running an old patched up custom build of OpenWRT. Its WAN port connects to the SpeedStream and talks PPPoE to my ISP via the SpeedStream. The four Ethernet ports are a switch, plugged into a PC and the Minitar MVA11A. * Minitar MVA11A. This is a SIP router with FXO/FXS ports and an Ethernet port. FXO port plugs into the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter, FXS into the cordless phone, Ethernet into the WGR614L. * old Panasonic cordless phone I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this: * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes, custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity. * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone integrated with it. * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or OpenFWWF * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc) * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary bootloader or whatever. * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS * a few USB ports would be nice * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever Honestly, that's not realistic. Too weird a combined featureset. Especially the cordless phone bit. A quick search found a Quick Eagle DL710 (never heard of them) which has 3 100Mbit ethernet ports, SIP, ADSL2+, 2 FXS, 1 FXO. That isn't 4 ports though. Almost certainly can't run Debian either. Most APs are way too low in specs to run a full OS. http://www.aceex.com.tw/L3AWVR11.html is another (which has 4 ethernet ports). Neither matches all your requirements, especially for the OS. If you were willing to spend a lot of money on it, you could build a PC that did all that. Sangoma makes FXS/FXO cards and ADSL2+ cards for PCs. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111222154501.gf27...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this: * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes, custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity. * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone integrated with it. * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or OpenFWWF * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc) * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary bootloader or whatever. * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS * a few USB ports would be nice * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever Honestly, that's not realistic. Too weird a combined featureset. Especially the cordless phone bit. It's certainly an... interesting featureset. I certainly wouldn't denigrate it, for the same reason that I don't denigrate the effort that our ISP (Andrews Arnold, who design their own hardware when necessary) is putting into trying to find an efficient single-box solution for IPv6. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jcvtgf$4f2$1...@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 06:39:10PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: It's certainly an... interesting featureset. I certainly wouldn't denigrate it, for the same reason that I don't denigrate the effort that our ISP (Andrews Arnold, who design their own hardware when necessary) is putting into trying to find an efficient single-box solution for IPv6. It would be an interesting combination, but not one I expect to be popular enough to be mass produced unfortunately. Of course it also depends what price someone is willing to pay for it. Of course what is popular changes over time. I am surprised that I could find a few ADSL2+ routers with SIP and FXS/FXO ports. That was closer than I had expected. In terms of being unbrickable, I am very impressed by my i.MX53 quick start board. The bootloader is on microSD. Any actual board designed with it could have the boot loader on a SATA disk if desired. There is no boot rom at all in the design as far as I can tell. So perhaps designing such a system would be the way to go if there is going to be a need for enough of them to justify the design cost. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111222194859.gg27...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.debian-...@telemetry.co.uk wrote: Honestly, that's not realistic. Too weird a combined featureset. Especially the cordless phone bit. It's certainly an... interesting featureset. I certainly wouldn't denigrate it, for the same reason that I don't denigrate the effort that our ISP (Andrews Arnold, who design their own hardware when necessary) is putting into trying to find an efficient single-box solution for IPv6. yeah... we had a cordless phone. all i did was plug it into the back of the digicom PCI card. hmm... so that would mean that i ended up with the exact same setup that was considered to be a weird featureset. often these things aren't _designed_ - they just happen. l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/capweedwgi07q8fet-nwtntnzvba93kgph+dk9cyt+gagh8n...@mail.gmail.com
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Dec 22, 2011 4:16 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices: Billion Bipac 7404vgnox does what you want except for cordless phone, local storage and Debian. HTH Adrian
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Guys: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: In terms of being unbrickable, I am very impressed by my i.MX53 quick start board. The bootloader is on microSD. Any actual board designed with it could have the boot loader on a SATA disk if desired. There is no boot rom at all in the design as far as I can tell. I really, really hate this idea. :) I much prefer having a bootloader in NAND, so that I'm not beholden to all the i/o necessary to read it from somewhere more complicated and less controllable. In addition, I really, really hate the quality levels I am seeing with uSD/eMMC devices right now. I know they are all internally based on NAND, why not ditch the little microcontroller they must also include and talk to a NAND directly? One less part to break, and one less thing to question the sanity of when you switch that device from FAT (which it is almost certainly optimized for) and extN or equivalent. (OT, but I wonder if the hangs and hiccups I see often enough to worry about aren't in some way due to the microcontroller's assumptions about the filesystem in use). Finally, obviously what you are calling the bootloader in your board is merely a second-stage one, as the CPU almost certainly does not natively know how to read from uSD. A first-stage bootloader must exist somewhere in the SoC itself. That doesn't really matter if you are happy always reading from a presumed-functional uSD, but as a platform integrator I would want to research what other options it makes available--- especially ones that would allow me to have a factory reset button on the unit that truly wipes the uSD and initiates a fresh download of a kernel and rootfs over https from somewhere. Don't get me wrong, I like the Quick Start board too (I think I have one on my desk somewhere, actually). But I don't like the temptation to turn something like that into a product without a lot of additional thought. I'm looking at you too, Beagleboard. :) b.g. -- Bill Gatliff b...@billgatliff.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CADkCAut3=m86n00y6pdengu86oceyfttmb8fbjnc-zv+08u...@mail.gmail.com
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Bill Gatliff b...@billgatliff.com wrote: In addition, I really, really hate the quality levels I am seeing with uSD/eMMC devices right now. I know they are all internally based on NAND, why not ditch the little microcontroller they must also include and talk to a NAND directly? because if you're using the NAND for regular writes, you know that it's going to break at some point in the future. Finally, obviously what you are calling the bootloader in your board is merely a second-stage one, as the CPU almost certainly does not natively know how to read from uSD. ah that's ... ok, the TI OMAPs datasheets talk about starting up from a memory location and running an on-board program, implication being somehow that that program is modifiable, and that program _does_ have enough logic to detect certain GPIO pins high or low, and decide on that basis to start directly from a pre-programmed memory address (published in the datasheet) or a couple of other options _or_ whether to read from SD/MMC a fixed amount of stuff into RAM and then execute that. on enquiring with TI they said actually that lot is in a pre-programmed ROM that's hard-coded into the masks, so yes sure you could get that reprogrammed but it'd cost you a set of mask charges. then there's the S3C6410, S5PC1xx series etc. which play the same trick: again, an on-board ROM is capable of loading up from a wide range of options. so yes, you're right: the CPU *itself* doesn't know - it starts up and executes from a fixed address, but depending on the CPU, the [unchangeable] on-board micro-bootloader does know. l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPweEDzyAMTzHbfL1_KudSSgYM4E9brfN92b�m-k76pqo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: so yes, you're right: the CPU *itself* doesn't know - it starts up and executes from a fixed address, but depending on the CPU, the [unchangeable] on-board micro-bootloader does know. Also I think there's an OpenCores VHDL FAT reader, so if a design has an FPGA for glue that could preload RAM while the CPU's in reset state. Then there's the Raspberry Pi which apparently uses the GPU to do the job. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jd05nc$m2m$1...@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:01:17PM -0800, Bill Gatliff wrote: I really, really hate this idea. :) I much prefer having a bootloader in NAND, so that I'm not beholden to all the i/o necessary to read it from somewhere more complicated and less controllable. It supports loading it from SATA, NAND, NOR, uSD, and a few other places. In addition, I really, really hate the quality levels I am seeing with uSD/eMMC devices right now. I know they are all internally based on NAND, why not ditch the little microcontroller they must also include and talk to a NAND directly? One less part to break, and one less thing to question the sanity of when you switch that device from FAT (which it is almost certainly optimized for) and extN or equivalent. (OT, but I wonder if the hangs and hiccups I see often enough to worry about aren't in some way due to the microcontroller's assumptions about the filesystem in use). The uSD is just what the quick start board is configured to use. The CPU supports a number of choices. Finally, obviously what you are calling the bootloader in your board is merely a second-stage one, as the CPU almost certainly does not natively know how to read from uSD. A first-stage bootloader must exist somewhere in the SoC itself. That doesn't really matter if you are happy always reading from a presumed-functional uSD, but as a platform integrator I would want to research what other options it makes available--- especially ones that would allow me to have a factory reset button on the unit that truly wipes the uSD and initiates a fresh download of a kernel and rootfs over https from somewhere. The CPU does in fact seem to know how to do that. The uboot it loads is in fact the firmware that initializes it. Putting a small bit of logic/rom on the die that you can't destroy to make it simpler to boot seems rather sensible to me. And since one of the options is to use a NAND or NOR flash, for people that want uboot always present even if other media isn't, that option exists too, but now you do intriduce the possibility of bricking it if you go to update uboot. Don't get me wrong, I like the Quick Start board too (I think I have one on my desk somewhere, actually). But I don't like the temptation to turn something like that into a product without a lot of additional thought. I'm looking at you too, Beagleboard. :) -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2011110808.gh27...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Hello Paul Wise, Am 2011-12-22 14:15:40, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this: * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes, custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity. * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone integrated with it. * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or OpenFWWF * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc) * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary bootloader or whatever. * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS * a few USB ports would be nice * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever Örgs! This sounds for a 1) Marvel Discovery MV78100 (Singel-Core 1 GEth) or MV78200 (Dual-Core 2 GEth) 2) Marvel 4 port 10/100/1000 Mbit Hub with one MII Interface 3) The Discovery MV78x00 has 2 SATA Ports 4) Connexatn ADS2+ Chipset = Mini-PCIe 5) CologeChip XHFC-2S4U-34SU = Mini-PCIe 6) Atheros WifiChip= Mini-PCIe 7) TI 2port USB 3.0 PCIe Transceiver = Mini-PCIe 8) The MV78100 has two PCIe 4x ports which can be splited into 8x PCIe 1x... Ist this enough for you? which mean, you will have 4 free Mni-PCIe 1x ports I am working on the Mini-ITX Board with the MV78100/MV78200 but it is the hell. People calling me crazy, but if I see your requirements... ...it is exactly what I need too and what I develop! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2011120229.GH6689@michelle1
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Hello Rob J. Epping, The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage. I have the need for a PCI 2.2 ADSL2+ card which I need to integrate into a Server which has noly PCI-X Slots where normal PCI cards (one hole in the connector), but PCI-X is PCI 2.2 compatibel Can you (or someone else) recommend me a PCI ADSL2+ card? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:02:29PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: This sounds for a 1) Marvel Discovery MV78100 (Singel-Core 1 GEth) or MV78200 (Dual-Core 2 GEth) Nice CPU. Even has VFP (FPU). Too bad it is ARMv5 so it can't run the armhf Debian port. Still armel isn't bad. 2) Marvel 4 port 10/100/1000 Mbit Hub with one MII Interface 3) The Discovery MV78x00 has 2 SATA Ports 4) Connexatn ADS2+ Chipset = Mini-PCIe 5) CologeChip XHFC-2S4U-34SU = Mini-PCIe 6) Atheros WifiChip= Mini-PCIe 7) TI 2port USB 3.0 PCIe Transceiver = Mini-PCIe 8) The MV78100 has two PCIe 4x ports which can be splited into 8x PCIe 1x... Ist this enough for you? which mean, you will have 4 free Mni-PCIe 1x ports I am working on the Mini-ITX Board with the MV78100/MV78200 but it is the hell. People calling me crazy, but if I see your requirements... ...it is exactly what I need too and what I develop! -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2011120856.gi27...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Hello Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton, not being funny or anything, but i did a single-box setup. got an ADSL PCI modem card (which required non-free firmware) Which PCI ADSL2+ Modem card? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:07:08PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Rob J. Epping, The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage. I have the need for a PCI 2.2 ADSL2+ card which I need to integrate into a Server which has noly PCI-X Slots where normal PCI cards (one hole in the connector), but PCI-X is PCI 2.2 compatibel Can you (or someone else) recommend me a PCI ADSL2+ card? I was going to suggest the Samgoma S519 PCI ADSL2+ card, but apparently they stopped making it. There are others out there such as: http://linitx.com/product/12181 Not that I know that one. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2011121400.gj27...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Hello Lennart Sorensen, Am 2011-12-22 10:45:01, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Sangoma makes FXS/FXO cards and ADSL2+ cards for PCs. Sangoma has only the S518 card which is an old outdated ADSL card which support only 8 Mbit RAW downstream and 762 kbit RAW upstream. Paul and me searching for ADSL2+ with at least 16 Mbit IP downstraam and over 1 Mbit IP upstream. My current crap router of an Alice-Box make ~16,8 Mbit down and 1,4 Mbit upstream. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Hello Lennart Sorensen, Am 2011-12-22 17:08:56, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Nice CPU. Even has VFP (FPU). Too bad it is ARMv5 so it can't run the armhf Debian port. Still armel isn't bad. With some hacks I have gotten Debian/ARMEL runing on it without using the provided Closed-Source Blobs from Marvel. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
