Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
On 28/03/11 05:57, Sander wrote: [...] An OpenRD-Ultimate might be something for you: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-35-openrd-ultimate.aspx I see the price has come down --- they're now only about 250% the price of a SheevaPlug... but yeah, one of these would be ideal. Lots of ports and a nice case, and only a bit more expensive that a DreamPlug. I also note that there's a SheevaPlug with eSATA, and it's at about the same price as the original SheevaPlug. Now, if only this had two ethernet ports... [...] I've ordered a PandaBoard which is dual core, has 1GB RAM and should work with the armhf port of Debian. Should be at least twice as fast as the SheevaPlug/OpenRD. Unfortunately it has no eSata and only 3x USB, so that might not be an option for your. Oo. *Very* nice! As you say, no eSata and it's only got one ethernet port, but the dual-core Cortex A9 is extremely yummy. If only there was a version in the OpenRD form factor... -- ┌─── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─ http://www.cowlark.com ─ │ I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my │ telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out │ how to use my telephone. --- Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
David Given d...@cowlark.com writes: On 28/03/11 05:57, Sander wrote: [...] An OpenRD-Ultimate might be something for you: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-35-openrd-ultimate.aspx I see the price has come down --- they're now only about 250% the price of a SheevaPlug... but yeah, one of these would be ideal. Lots of ports and a nice case, and only a bit more expensive that a DreamPlug. I also note that there's a SheevaPlug with eSATA, and it's at about the same price as the original SheevaPlug. Now, if only this had two ethernet ports... you have guruplugs server which has 2 ethernets and esata. One can nearly say that dreamplug is some kind of evolution of guruplug servers. Arnaud -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipv2rtbh@lebrac.rtp-net.org
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
+++ David Given [2011-03-26 18:35 +]: On 26/03/11 17:07, Phil Endecott wrote: [...] David, if you want to be realistic, you'll find that in almost all cases small size, ARM, and even low performance are things that you should expect to pay a premium for. For fun you can try to factor in the reduction in your electricity bill, but normally the small x86 (i.e. Atom) box will still be cheaper. Well, the R3700 consumes (they say) about 25W when running, which is about 20W more than the SheevaPlug --- so over a year, the R3700 consumes about 200 kWh compared to the SheevaPlug's 40. I pay about 10p per kWh, so this means that the relative running costs are 20 pounds vs 4... _per year_, so if you use it for say 3 years that justifies an extra 50 quid. The longer you use it the more you save :-). And 10p/kWh is very cheap. I'm paying 14p/kWh (flat rate), and power is not going to get cheaper. (And actually it would be 22 quid all year @10p). At 14p/kWh you can spend an extra 74 quid over 3 years. Of course in practice disk power consumption matters here (my slug is 2W, the disk 10W), and sleep mode/power save behaviour is much more important than the headline power consumption when getting an annual energy use figure. Wall-warts too (where applicable). On some devices the wall wart uses more than the arm box attached to it. Personally I just couldn't bring myself to have a 24/7 server that used 25W+disk, no matter how cheap it is, because I know how unecessary that is, and I think energy consumption matters. Just pay the money for the cool stuff :-) You know you want to. :-) Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110329130827.gm17...@dream.aleph1.co.uk
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 14:42 +0200, Arnaud Patard wrote: David Given d...@cowlark.com writes: [...] I also note that there's a SheevaPlug with eSATA, and it's at about the same price as the original SheevaPlug. Now, if only this had two ethernet ports... you have guruplugs server which has 2 ethernets and esata. One can nearly say that dreamplug is some kind of evolution of guruplug servers. I wouldn't recommend the Guruplug, the fan sounds like an electric razor and too loud and annoying to want to be in the same room as it. I removed the fan and power supply, but ended up junking it anyway as I couldn't get it to boot reliably from the MMC card. (The MMC controller is on the end of a USB bus.) I stuck to using my eSata SheevaPlug when I realised I could run a firewall with only one ethernet port. [1] [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01207.html -- Tixy () The ASCII Ribbon Campaign (www.asciiribbon.org) /\ Against HTML e-mail and proprietary attachments -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301406178.2519.141.ca...@computer2.home
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
On 29/03/11 13:08, Wookey wrote: [...] Personally I just couldn't bring myself to have a 24/7 server that used 25W+disk, no matter how cheap it is, because I know how unecessary that is, and I think energy consumption matters. Don't forget that the 25W R3700 includes a hard drive, while the SheevaPlug doesn't. In fact, my existing server stack (SheevaPlug + external HDD + SSD + ADSL router + DWL54G + UPS) consumes about 20W, and goes up and down about 25% depending whether the external HDD is spun up or not. An R3700 based setup would probably use about 35W, I'd say. I would be able to show you pretty graphs but unfortunately a recent update to nut has totally broken its ability to talk to my UPS, so I don't have any server stats any more. -- ┌─── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─ http://www.cowlark.com ─ │ I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my │ telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out │ how to use my telephone. --- Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
David Given wrote (ao): I'm looking for some hardware to replace my elderly SheevaPlug house server --- it's working very well, but there are ongoing niggling problems with USB and storage, and I'd like something with more ports. I'm very intrigued by the new Dreamplug, which looks ideal. Unfortunately it's not cost effective. Here in the UK it would cost 160 pounds (including JTAG module so I get a console), and I can buy a Revo R3700 mini-PC for only 180, and that's got 2GB RAM, a dual-core D525 Atom processor, 160GB HDD, etc. I don't want to switch away from ARM but I've got to be realistic. If it's really about the money, just keep your SheevaPlug :-) I'd say you are allowed to spend a bit more on an ARM device as it is your hobby ;-) So can anyone suggest any Debian-friendly hardware I should look at? Ideally I want something with two ethernet ports and eSATA; I've had enough of ethernet via slightly unreliable USB... An OpenRD-Ultimate might be something for you: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-35-openrd-ultimate.aspx eSata, 7x USB, 2x ethernet and PCIe x1. I'm very happy with my OpenRD-Client. I've ordered a PandaBoard which is dual core, has 1GB RAM and should work with the armhf port of Debian. Should be at least twice as fast as the SheevaPlug/OpenRD. Unfortunately it has no eSata and only 3x USB, so that might not be an option for your. Sander -- Humilis IT Services and Solutions http://www.humilis.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110328055702.ga14...@attic.humilis.net
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
Dnia 2011-03-28, pon o godzinie 07:57 +0200, Sander pisze: An OpenRD-Ultimate might be something for you: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-35-openrd-ultimate.aspx eSata, 7x USB, 2x ethernet and PCIe x1. Keep in mind that those 7 USB are probably 2 USB hubs stacked so all ports are connected to just one usb host port. I've ordered a PandaBoard which is dual core, has 1GB RAM and should work with the armhf port of Debian. Should be at least twice as fast as the SheevaPlug/OpenRD. Unfortunately it has no eSata and only 3x USB, so that might not be an option for your. Pandaboard has 2 USB ports available out of box (I do not count OTG one) and 2 are available on expansion connector (standard PC case cable can be used). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1301296872.2332.5.camel@localhost
Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
Hello, I'm looking for some hardware to replace my elderly SheevaPlug house server --- it's working very well, but there are ongoing niggling problems with USB and storage, and I'd like something with more ports. I'm very intrigued by the new Dreamplug, which looks ideal. Unfortunately it's not cost effective. Here in the UK it would cost 160 pounds (including JTAG module so I get a console), and I can buy a Revo R3700 mini-PC for only 180, and that's got 2GB RAM, a dual-core D525 Atom processor, 160GB HDD, etc. I don't want to switch away from ARM but I've got to be realistic. So can anyone suggest any Debian-friendly hardware I should look at? Ideally I want something with two ethernet ports and eSATA; I've had enough of ethernet via slightly unreliable USB... -- ┌─── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─ http://www.cowlark.com ─ │ │ I have a mind like a steel trap. It's rusty and full of dead mice. │ --- Anonymous, on rasfc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
Hi, I suggest QNAP TS-110, which takes just 5W power. I am very much happy with this home server, powered by Debian Squeeze. It fits well with arm branch of Debian. http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/08/04/diy-planning-to-build-home-nas-box-cum-digital-photo-frame/ Regards KaruppuSwamy.T On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 5:12 PM, David Given d...@cowlark.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for some hardware to replace my elderly SheevaPlug house server --- it's working very well, but there are ongoing niggling problems with USB and storage, and I'd like something with more ports. I'm very intrigued by the new Dreamplug, which looks ideal. Unfortunately it's not cost effective. Here in the UK it would cost 160 pounds (including JTAG module so I get a console), and I can buy a Revo R3700 mini-PC for only 180, and that's got 2GB RAM, a dual-core D525 Atom processor, 160GB HDD, etc. I don't want to switch away from ARM but I've got to be realistic. So can anyone suggest any Debian-friendly hardware I should look at? Ideally I want something with two ethernet ports and eSATA; I've had enough of ethernet via slightly unreliable USB... -- ┌─── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─ http://www.cowlark.com ─ │ │ I have a mind like a steel trap. It's rusty and full of dead mice. │ --- Anonymous, on rasfc
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
Or the TS-119, which is fanless. /B On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 15:44, KaruppuSwamy T karuppusw...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I suggest QNAP TS-110, which takes just 5W power. I am very much happy with this home server, powered by Debian Squeeze. It fits well with arm branch of Debian. http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/08/04/diy-planning-to-build-home-nas-box-cum-digital-photo-frame/ Regards KaruppuSwamy.T On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 5:12 PM, David Given d...@cowlark.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for some hardware to replace my elderly SheevaPlug house server --- it's working very well, but there are ongoing niggling problems with USB and storage, and I'd like something with more ports. I'm very intrigued by the new Dreamplug, which looks ideal. Unfortunately it's not cost effective. Here in the UK it would cost 160 pounds (including JTAG module so I get a console), and I can buy a Revo R3700 mini-PC for only 180, and that's got 2GB RAM, a dual-core D525 Atom processor, 160GB HDD, etc. I don't want to switch away from ARM but I've got to be realistic. So can anyone suggest any Debian-friendly hardware I should look at? Ideally I want something with two ethernet ports and eSATA; I've had enough of ethernet via slightly unreliable USB... -- ┌─── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─ http://www.cowlark.com ─ │ │ I have a mind like a steel trap. It's rusty and full of dead mice. │ --- Anonymous, on rasfc
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
Björn Wetterbom bjorn at wetterbom.se writes: Or the TS-119, which is fanless. Well the TS-119 is great, but David said: I'm very intrigued by the new Dreamplug, which looks ideal. Unfortunately it's not cost effective. Here in the UK it would cost 160 pounds (including JTAG module so I get a console), and I can buy a Revo R3700 mini-PC for only 180, and that's got 2GB RAM, a dual-core D525 Atom processor, 160GB HDD, etc. I don't want to switch away from ARM but I've got to be realistic. My TS-119 cost me £331.81 including its disk... David, if you want to be realistic, you'll find that in almost all cases small size, ARM, and even low performance are things that you should expect to pay a premium for. For fun you can try to factor in the reduction in your electricity bill, but normally the small x86 (i.e. Atom) box will still be cheaper. Regards, Phil. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20110326t175825-...@post.gmane.org
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
On 26/03/11 17:07, Phil Endecott wrote: [...] David, if you want to be realistic, you'll find that in almost all cases small size, ARM, and even low performance are things that you should expect to pay a premium for. For fun you can try to factor in the reduction in your electricity bill, but normally the small x86 (i.e. Atom) box will still be cheaper. Well, the R3700 consumes (they say) about 25W when running, which is about 20W more than the SheevaPlug --- so over a year, the R3700 consumes about 200 kWh compared to the SheevaPlug's 40. I pay about 10p per kWh, so this means that the relative running costs are 20 pounds vs 4... It's a shame about the prices; the SheevaPlug occupies a very nice sweet spot with enough grunt to be useful, low power consumption and a nice price. The DreamPlug has largely the same specs for twice the price --- the only difference is that it has a few more ports (although, useful ones). I've seen the AC100 for 180 pounds, which looks like a pretty nice device; although not really suited for what I want. Has anyone started putting the Tegra 2 chipset into mini-PC form factor devices? -- ┌─── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─ http://www.cowlark.com ─ │ │ I have a mind like a steel trap. It's rusty and full of dead mice. │ --- Anonymous, on rasfc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
David Given dg at cowlark.com writes: Has anyone started putting the Tegra 2 chipset into mini-PC form factor devices? The only one I've seen so far is: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CompuLab-TrimSlice/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20110326t194242-...@post.gmane.org
Re: Suggestions for a SheevaPlug replacement
If price is a large consideration, then you're really looking at mass-market / consumer devices. . Linux-based NAS devices (remove and sell the hard disk, and replace with SSD/ decent SD etc.). I've used the Buffalo linkstations. The newer models have quickish CPUs but may be a bit short of RAM for you (256M), but some of them have a DDR2 SODIMM socket, I believe. . Android devices (if you want really cheap, then go for a second-hand one on ebay, with a broken screen) - most of them will act as a USB host, but you may have to make a custom cable. Some of the tablets have multiple USB host ports. I've found USB networking pretty stable (can dig out the devices I've used if you like), but I have deployed 20+ devices which have been on 24/7 for years, some of which exchange terrabytes of data per month. Tim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d8e4a5e.5040...@buttersideup.com
