cvs commit to debian-installer/tools/cdebconf/doc by tfheen
Repository: debian-installer/tools/cdebconf/doc who:tfheen time: Tue May 28 04:41:25 PDT 2002 Log Message: Documentation updates, courtesy of Moshe Zadka Files: changed:modules.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post-woody
* Junichi Uekawa | Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] immo vero scripsit: | | | Are you saying that every debconf template file should be in UTF-8? | | How do you propose to accomplish the transition ? | | Every debconf template which is used in d-i, yes. Why not? It | shouldn't be that many templates. The others can be handled when the | time is due. | | Last time I looked, there is no charset signifier in | debconf templates, how does one know if the template is in | utf-8 or euc-jp? You don't need to do that if we decide that everything is utf8. And since d-i won't have umpteen packages it's not very much work to fix any non-conforming packages. Fixing it for the general case should be done, but is a lot more work. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post-woody
* (Denis Barbier) | I do not understand your answer, sorry. ok, we'll try again. :) | Consider the cvs/pserver template from cvs.templates: | Template: cvs/pserver | Type: boolean | Default: false | Description: Should the CVS pserver be enabled? | [...] |CVS pserver will be installed in inetd, using tcpd wrappers if you answer |yes to this question. | | As a translator, I cannot decide whether the 'yes' word has to be translated | or not, because button label depends upon the selected frontend, it might be | either 'yes' or its translation. I understand. | For instance whiptail is not i18n-ed, so when a German user has selected | dialog frontend, he is told to click on the 'Ja' button which does not exist! | In order to avoid this annoyance, I suggested to only accept i18n-ed | frontends. sure. Note that this is part of the «consistency and polish» thing, it's not needed for d-i to actually be able to do it's work. It's needed in order not to confuse the user. so, for the release, we want the frontends to be i18n-ed. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post-woody
On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 12:39, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Junichi Uekawa | Last time I looked, there is no charset signifier in | debconf templates, how does one know if the template is in | utf-8 or euc-jp? You don't need to do that if we decide that everything is utf8. And since d-i won't have umpteen packages it's not very much work to fix any non-conforming packages. Fixing it for the general case should be done, but is a lot more work. So, just to be clear, you're saying that all the debconf templates used by debian-installer are provided exclusively for its use (ie they are never used by packages that the user might install under any other circumstances)? p. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to debian-installer/tools/cdebconf/doc by moshez
Repository: debian-installer/tools/cdebconf/doc who:moshez time: Tue May 28 05:36:57 PDT 2002 Log Message: * Added stuff about questions, templates and configuration * Clarified a point in the db documentation Files: changed:modules.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post-woody
* Philip Blundell (please respect my mail-followup-to) | On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 12:39, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * Junichi Uekawa | | Last time I looked, there is no charset signifier in | | debconf templates, how does one know if the template is in | | utf-8 or euc-jp? | | You don't need to do that if we decide that everything is utf8. And | since d-i won't have umpteen packages it's not very much work to | fix any non-conforming packages. Fixing it for the general case | should be done, but is a lot more work. | | So, just to be clear, you're saying that all the debconf templates used | by debian-installer are provided exclusively for its use (ie they are | never used by packages that the user might install under any other | circumstances)? Sorry if this gets too basic, but I am switching to teaspoon mode since it seems like I'm not able to get the message across. The units we are working with in debian-installer are udebs (really µdebs). They are debian packages, but they don't have to follow policy (why would we want docs and man pages on the installation media?). Those packages might include templates, like other debian packages. Since the set of packages in d-i and outside d-i is distinct it won't be a problem if we decide to migrate the templates in d-i before we migrate the templates in the rest of debian. The maintainer might have to maintain both utf8 and non-utf8 templates until we have changed debconf over to utf8. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post-woody
On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 01:42:28PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * (Denis Barbier) | I do not understand your answer, sorry. ok, we'll try again. :) | Consider the cvs/pserver template from cvs.templates: | Template: cvs/pserver | Type: boolean | Default: false | Description: Should the CVS pserver be enabled? | [...] |CVS pserver will be installed in inetd, using tcpd wrappers if you answer |yes to this question. | | As a translator, I cannot decide whether the 'yes' word has to be translated | or not, because button label depends upon the selected frontend, it might be | either 'yes' or its translation. I understand. | For instance whiptail is not i18n-ed, so when a German user has selected | dialog frontend, he is told to click on the 'Ja' button which does not exist! | In order to avoid this annoyance, I suggested to only accept i18n-ed | frontends. sure. Note that this is part of the ?consistency and polish? thing, it's not needed for d-i to actually be able to do it's work. It's needed in order not to confuse the user. My .02: By definition the installer is most new users' first contact with Debian. We should not consider it to be 'working' if it confuses the user. Also, from a purely software engineering perspective, it's much easier to build in a hook you don't need now than to retrofit a capability you knew you needed later. IMHO at this point we should be building as many hooks as possible, since this code will undoubtedly have a life of many years. -- *--v- Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 v--* | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual | | debian-imac (potato): http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net | |Chris Tillman[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | May the Source be with you | ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to debian-installer/tools/cdebconf/doc by moshez
Repository: debian-installer/tools/cdebconf/doc who:moshez time: Tue May 28 07:56:19 PDT 2002 Log Message: Adding cursory front end explanation. I just realized I'll also have to document how the databases look from the outside, because the frontends will need it. Files: changed:modules.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
new debian ships with non-new emacs
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gnu.emacs.bug as well. I got debian woody and emacs is 20.7. I thought debian was supposed to real advanced or something, but why old emacs? -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post-woody
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] immo vero scripsit: The units we are working with in debian-installer are udebs (really policy (why would we want docs and man pages on the installation media?). Ah good. I forgot about udebs. The maintainer might have to maintain both utf8 and non-utf8 templates until we have changed debconf over to utf8. I think we really need to migrate from calling things like Description-ja_JP: to: Description-ja_JP.utf-8: The automatic conversion from native code to utf-8 support could be built into debconf-mergetemplate. Thoughts, joeyh? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Junichi Uekawa http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer GPG Fingerprint : 17D6 120E 4455 1832 9423 7447 3059 BF92 CD37 56F4 Libpkg-guide: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new debian ships with non-new emacs
On May 28, Dan Jacobson wrote: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gnu.emacs.bug as well. I got debian woody and emacs is 20.7. I thought debian was supposed to real advanced or something, but why old emacs? Um... install the emacs21 package instead of emacs20. Problem solved. Chris -- Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ Instructor and Ph.D. Candidate, Political Science, Univ. of Mississippi 208 Deupree Hall - 662-915-5765 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post-woody
Denis Barbier wrote: Consider the cvs/pserver template from cvs.templates: Template: cvs/pserver Type: boolean Default: false Description: Should the CVS pserver be enabled? [...] CVS pserver will be installed in inetd, using tcpd wrappers if you answer yes to this question. As a translator, I cannot decide whether the 'yes' word has to be translated or not, because button label depends upon the selected frontend, it might be either 'yes' or its translation. This is just an example of a bad template description. With some frontends you don't answer yes at all; you click on a check box or something. That's why template descriptions should avoid any references to the UI. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: b-f 3.0.23 powerpc-apus lot of joy but still some issues
Hi Chris On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 11:22:46PM +0200, Andreas W?st wrote: Hi Eduard Should I just substitute every stable by testing? Or do I have to await final release, and it's just a bad point in time to now install woody? Better substitute with woody for the next time. Alright. But when's the optimal point-in-time during base-config? Right when the dialog is waiting for an answer whether you want to run tasksel. The sources.list has not been created until then. I will do so! Thank you too for your fast answer, I appreciate it a lot!!! -- All the best, kind regards, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation by barbier
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation who:barbier time: Tue May 28 14:31:21 PDT 2002 Log Message: Sync to EN 1.137 Wrap long lines to help diffing Files: changed:release-notes.fr.sgml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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