Re: Bug#182041: PIC library has bad name

2003-02-27 Thread Junichi Uekawa
   mklibs fails to find the PIC library for reduction since it's called
   libnewt-utf8_pic.a while mklibs expects it to simply be libnewt_pic.a
   
   We're using newt debian-installer so it'd be nice if this were fixed so
   we could save some bytes on the boot media. :-)
  
  I have a few questions: 
  
  I've thought boot-floppies worked with the name libnewt-utf8_pic.a.
  Why doesn't debian-installer mklibs not work with it?
 
 Because libnewt.so.0.50 is a symlink to libnewt-utf8.so.0.50.17.
 
 $ ldd tmp/cdrom/tree/usr/lib/cdebconf/frontend/newt.so
 libnewt.so.0.50 = /usr/lib/libnewt.so.0.50 (0x40005000)
 libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40014000)
 libslang.so.1-UTF8 = /lib/libslang.so.1-UTF8 (0x40124000)
 libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40185000)
 libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x401a6000)
 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x8000)
 
 so mklibs only sees libnewt.so.0.50 and strips off the suffix and gets
 libnewt_pic.a.

I got your point,



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Re: soname versions in library udebs

2003-02-27 Thread Sebastian Ley
* Sebastian Ley wrote:

 As for now no udebs actually have their soname number as part of the
 package name. It is libc-udeb, discover-udeb...

Hm, no one talking to me, so I just reply myself...:

What actually happens if there is an ABI change in one of the library
udebs? Let us say a new version of libc or libdirectfb enters sid, and
udebs will be built accordingly. Since they do not have a SONAME
version, all dependant udebs will be broken because anna will pull in
the new version of the library via libc-udeb or libdirectfb-udeb but
the programms are linked against the old ones. Correct?

Sebastian

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udebs for more than just installation

2003-02-27 Thread Branden Robinson
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Hi guys,

Over here at Progeny we're wondering about the feasibility of using
udebs in resource-constrained environments for more than just
installation.

How feasible would it be to use udebs as real packages?  I note that
udpkg appears to support maintainer scripts, though I don't know it
supports them as comprehensively as regular dpkg (see sections 6.4 and
6.5 of the Debian Policy Manual).

Another approach we're thinking about is regular dpkg support for
directory exclusion during package unpack, for things like documentation
and localization files.  Of course, that's more an issue for
debian-dpkg... :)

Anyway, I thought you guys might have the best insights into udebs since
you use them the most.

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Bug#182642: boot-floppies: boottime keymap makes 88 key adb keyboard unusable on oldworld powermac

2003-02-27 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Lee Adamson [Wed, Feb 26 2003, 06:47:31PM]:

 When the box reboots after initial base system install, a boottime
 keymap is loaded that seems to cause my old 88 key adb keyboard to be
 mapped wrong (using the qwerty/us keymap).
 
 The solution I have found is to use the shell on VT2 to remove the
 /target/etc/init.d/keymap.sh script (or just move it out of the way) so
 that the kernel keymap is kept on reboot.  Once console-tools or console
 date (whichever it is that allows you to select a more specific keymap)
 is configured, a working keymap (that is KERNEL) can be chosen.
 
 This problem arose when manually editing the sources list at install
 time to point to unstable rather than stable.  I do not know if the
 problem appears if stable or testing are installed instead.
 
 The system used is a power macintosh 8500/[EMAIL PROTECTED] (xlr8), though I doubt
 that has any bearing on the problem, as an apple extended 101 key adb
 keyboard does not exhibit the same problem.

Could anyone prove this and tell the exact reason of the problem?
Problem of console-tools? Anything that can or should be fixed in
boot-floppies for Woody?

Please keep Cc'ing to debian-boot or me.

Gruss/Regards,
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Re: udebs for more than just installation

2003-02-27 Thread Martin Sjögren
tor 2003-02-27 klockan 17.34 skrev Branden Robinson:
 [I have set Mail-Followup-To; please To/CC me on replies.
 How feasible would it be to use udebs as real packages?  I note that
 udpkg appears to support maintainer scripts, though I don't know it
 supports them as comprehensively as regular dpkg (see sections 6.4 and
 6.5 of the Debian Policy Manual).

I'm not quite sure what it is you are asking. Are you asking for how
nifty things you can do with udpkg? Right now, udpkg only calls
  /.../package.config configure
  /.../package.postinst configure
and that's it. I don't see how we would need any *rm scripts in the
installer. :)

This can, I guess, be expanded if dpkg being tiny is more important than
dpkg being stellar at maintainer scripts.

 Another approach we're thinking about is regular dpkg support for
 directory exclusion during package unpack, for things like documentation
 and localization files.  Of course, that's more an issue for
 debian-dpkg... :)

Isn't that what has been discussed before, for handhelds and stuff? If
you're willing to make udebs anyway, you won't need this though, as I
don't see why dpkg wouldn't be able to handle udebs. There's nothing
magic about udebs, they just happen to have different names and don't
follow policy more than they like...


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Re: Bug#182642: boot-floppies: boottime keymap makes 88 key adb keyboard unusable on oldworld powermac

2003-02-27 Thread B. Lee Adamson Jr.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 06:36:08PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
  When the box reboots after initial base system install, a boottime
  keymap is loaded that seems to cause my old 88 key adb keyboard to be
  mapped wrong (using the qwerty/us keymap).
 Could anyone prove this and tell the exact reason of the problem?
 Problem of console-tools? Anything that can or should be fixed in
 boot-floppies for Woody?
 Please keep Cc'ing to debian-boot or me.

Hmm, well I'm not as well versed in console-tools (or anything for that
matter) as I should be but...

I think it is not a problem with console tools, as it can be configured
to keep the kernel keymap later.

Perhaps an option in boot-floppies to not touch the keymap for people
like me who have very odd input devices (the keyboard is from an Apple
//gs; I like it because it is very compact).  It may not be worth fixing
though; I don't imagine very many people use those particular keyboards.
I believe the same model was also used on some 68k macs from maybe
1989?-1993?  I can get you the model number when I get home if you need
it.

I wish I know more about these things so I could submit better
information...  If you would like me to obtain information using my box
and send it to you, I'd be happy to, just let me know what you would
like done.

I can probably dig up another scsi device somewhere and install again if
more details in that regard would help.

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Re: udebs for more than just installation

2003-02-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 06:56:09PM +0100, Martin Sj?gren wrote:
 I'm not quite sure what it is you are asking. Are you asking for how
 nifty things you can do with udpkg? Right now, udpkg only calls
   /.../package.config configure
   /.../package.postinst configure
 and that's it. I don't see how we would need any *rm scripts in the
 installer. :)

You wouldn't.  I see what you mean, though.

 This can, I guess, be expanded if dpkg being tiny is more important than
 dpkg being stellar at maintainer scripts.

I guess that sort of depends.

 Isn't that what has been discussed before, for handhelds and stuff? If
 you're willing to make udebs anyway, you won't need this though, as I
 don't see why dpkg wouldn't be able to handle udebs. There's nothing
 magic about udebs, they just happen to have different names and don't
 follow policy more than they like...

Yes.  I was just wondering what udpkg's capabilities are.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: udebs for more than just installation

2003-02-27 Thread Alastair McKinstry

Has anyone looked at the ipkg (sp?) format used on Compaq iPaqs?
Its an cut-down dpkg format for embedded use.

(I've just heard of it, not investigated it. A comparison by someone who
knows both, and the debate over dpkg v2, would be nice).

Regards,
Alastair


On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 17:56, Martin Sjgren wrote:
 tor 2003-02-27 klockan 17.34 skrev Branden Robinson:
  [I have set Mail-Followup-To; please To/CC me on replies.
  How feasible would it be to use udebs as real packages?  I note that
  udpkg appears to support maintainer scripts, though I don't know it
  supports them as comprehensively as regular dpkg (see sections 6.4 and
  6.5 of the Debian Policy Manual).
 
 I'm not quite sure what it is you are asking. Are you asking for how
 nifty things you can do with udpkg? Right now, udpkg only calls
   /.../package.config configure
   /.../package.postinst configure
 and that's it. I don't see how we would need any *rm scripts in the
 installer. :)
 
 This can, I guess, be expanded if dpkg being tiny is more important than
 dpkg being stellar at maintainer scripts.
 
  Another approach we're thinking about is regular dpkg support for
  directory exclusion during package unpack, for things like documentation
  and localization files.  Of course, that's more an issue for
  debian-dpkg... :)
 
 Isn't that what has been discussed before, for handhelds and stuff? If
 you're willing to make udebs anyway, you won't need this though, as I
 don't see why dpkg wouldn't be able to handle udebs. There's nothing
 magic about udebs, they just happen to have different names and don't
 follow policy more than they like...
 
 
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Sarge-i386-businesscard.iso

2003-02-27 Thread Hank
Hi!

I was trying out the Sarge-i386-businesscard.iso (40MB iso image).

http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso

What's the gluck stand for? Good Luck?

I burned the iso image and booted into the install process with this CD, 
but did
not succeed installing anything.

A text console showed up with with about 5 steps for which I chose the 
defaults.
I only got so far as installing modules from the CD. About 35 modules 
showed up.
After a prompt I entered the module number and it showed
up as being selected in the list.

But then I was baffled about what to do next. The last option offered 
(#5) to go to a shell
which I took and was told that I could use the nano editor and a few 
shell commands.

However, once in the shell I noticed nano didn't work. It was not in any 
of the paths.

I am guessing the installation left out the step of setting up 
partitions on the hard drve.
And what's this about udeb? Some new package utility?

I read through the install documents and found nothing anywhere near 
describing how to use this CD.

Can anyone give any pointers. Has someone made a page to go along with 
this CD to explain  how to use it? Thanks for any help!

hank

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m68k, debian-installer, and DevFS

2003-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi

As some of you are already aware, there's a problem wrt m68k in that
there's no decent 2.4 kernel for m68k yet. As such, creating an m68k
debian-installer image that actually works is a bit problematic right
now, since debian-installer depends on DevFS quite a lot, while DevFS
will only be found in 2.4-kernels.

To work around this issue, I've been thinking of emulating DevFS in user
space (with some tricks that involve /etc/modules.conf, for those
interested). However, as I'm not going to implement every possible piece
of hardware 'out there', I'd like to know what hardware debian-installer
searches for, and only implement that. This will obviously include hard
disks and their partitions, but what more?

Is there a list available? If not, can one be created?

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Re: udebs for more than just installation

2003-02-27 Thread Glenn McGrath
On 27 Feb 2003 18:56:09 +0100
Martin Sjögren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Another approach we're thinking about is regular dpkg support for
  directory exclusion during package unpack, for things like
  documentation and localization files.  Of course, that's more an
  issue for debian-dpkg... :)
 
 Isn't that what has been discussed before, for handhelds and stuff? If
 you're willing to make udebs anyway, you won't need this though, as I
 don't see why dpkg wouldn't be able to handle udebs. There's nothing
 magic about udebs, they just happen to have different names and don't
 follow policy more than they like...
 

(sorry, this has tuned into a bit of a rant)

The reason udeb's came about is that the debian-installer wanted to be
modular, we wanted these modules to be distirubted via debian mirrors,
and we didnt want any non-functional parts inside (docs, copyright
notice etc).

This last point means they arent valid debs according to policy and as
such arent allowed into the archive, by renaming them to something other
than debian package (they are installer _modules_) meant that the
bureaucracy was avoided.

The binaries of a .udeb are different to the .deb counterparts, they are
usually compiled with -Os and other options to make the binaries
smaller, so having an option to strip docs using dpkg would not avoid
requiring another package (woops, debian installer module).

udebs are a technical solution to a social problem, i hope that one day
debian policy will reflect the needs of the installer. In the mean time
they do serve as a convenient way of distributing packages (woops,
modules).

Technically i think the biggest problem with minimal debian systems is
that debian packages dont declare dependencies on essential packages,
installign Essential packages and their dependencies requires 62MB
(dependencies pull in dselect, which pulls in c++ libs etc).

As much as i like dselect, i shudder at the thought of running it, or
even needing it to exist in my space constrained environment.

If all the essential packages wernt installed then the dependency
 system breaks.

Debian currently just isnt geared toward small environments, and the
steps required to improve the situation dont seem to be a priority, i do
hope the situation improves.



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Re: udebs for more than just installation

2003-02-27 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote:
 Another approach we're thinking about is regular dpkg support for
 directory exclusion during package unpack, for things like documentation
 and localization files.  Of course, that's more an issue for
 debian-dpkg... :)

Please Progeny guys, make everyone's day and do this. It shouldn't even
be too hard to do; dpkg parses the tars itself to install files as
.dpkg-new at first, so you just have to hook into the right places and
make it do nothing for some files. (Famous last words.) And there is
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patch to create slang1a-utf8-udeb

2003-02-27 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi.
I was sort of annoyed by nano not working in debian-installer.
The result is the attached patch, which changes this.
As I'm just a random user of nano in debian-installer initrd, you probably want
to wait what someone of the debian-installer team has to say about this.
Especially, I don't know about the hardcoded dependency on libc6 and whether bug
#182042 obsoletes this bug.

Cheers

Thomas
diff -urN x/slang-1.4.5/debian/control slang-1.4.5/debian/control
--- x/slang-1.4.5/debian/controlFri Feb 28 00:43:27 2003
+++ slang-1.4.5/debian/control  Fri Feb 28 00:28:11 2003
@@ -112,3 +112,15 @@
  on custom installation floppies and in embedded systems. Unless you're
  making one of those, you won't need this package.
  This packages has wide character support.
+
+Package: slang1a-utf8-udeb
+Section: debian-installer
+Priority: optional
+Architecture: any
+Depends: libc6-udeb
+Description: S-Lang library with utf8 support
+ This is a udeb, or a microdeb, of the S-Lang library with wide charater
+ support. As such it is the installer counterpart of slang1a-utf8.
+ You only need this package to support applications needing S-Lang during
+ the Debian installation process time and probably don't need to select it
+ manually for installation.
diff -urN x/slang-1.4.5/debian/rules slang-1.4.5/debian/rules
--- x/slang-1.4.5/debian/rules  Fri Feb 28 00:43:27 2003
+++ slang-1.4.5/debian/rulesFri Feb 28 00:45:42 2003
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
 #!/usr/bin/make -f
+# udeb adaptation by Thomas Viehmann
 # Made with the aid of dh_make, by Craig Small
 # Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper. GNU copyright 1997 by Joey Hess.
 # This version is for a hypothetical package that builds an
@@ -19,6 +20,10 @@
 
 LIBSLANG=slang1
 LIBSLANG_UTF8=slang1a-utf8
+LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB=$(LIBSLANG_UTF8)-udeb
+
+DEBVERSION=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | grep '^Version: ' | sed -e 's/^Version: //')
+UDEBNAME=$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)_$(DEBVERSION)_$(shell dpkg-architecture 
-qDEB_BUILD_GNU_CPU).udeb
 
 build: 
true;
@@ -105,10 +110,12 @@
(sed 's/@DEBIANUTF8ERRORCHECK@/#ifndef/'  debian/slang.h.extra.in; cat 
src/slang.h )  `pwd`/debian/slang1-utf8-dev/usr/include/slang.h
chmod 644 `pwd`/debian/slang1-utf8-dev/usr/include/slang.h
 
+   cp debian/slang1-utf8-dev/usr/lib/libslang.so.* 
debian/$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)/lib/libslang.so.$(SOMAJOR)-UTF8.$(SOMINOR)
mv debian/slang1-utf8-dev/usr/lib/libslang.so.* 
debian/slang1a-utf8/lib/libslang.so.$(SOMAJOR)-UTF8.$(SOMINOR)
 
# The ldconfig symlink to make the library work ASAP.  This is not really 
required.
cd debian/slang1a-utf8/lib ; ln -sf libslang.so.$(SOMAJOR)-UTF8.$(SOMINOR) 
libslang.so.$(SOMAJOR)-UTF8
+   cd debian/slang1a-utf8-udeb/lib ; ln -sf 
libslang.so.$(SOMAJOR)-UTF8.$(SOMINOR) libslang.so.$(SOMAJOR)-UTF8
 
# Correct the .so link for slang1-utf8-dev library
cd debian/slang1-utf8-dev/usr/lib ; ln -sf 
/lib/libslang.so.$(SOMAJOR)-UTF8.$(SOMINOR) libslang.so
@@ -120,8 +127,8 @@
 binary-arch: binary-nonutf8 binary-utf8
dh_testdir -a
dh_testroot -a
-   dh_installdocs -a
-   dh_installexamples -a
+   dh_installdocs -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
+   dh_installexamples -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
 
cd debian/slang1-dev/usr/share/doc/slang1-dev/examples/ ; \
mv demo/* . ; \
@@ -131,10 +138,10 @@
mv Makefile.simple Makefile ; \
rm -f config.status config.log configure configure.in
 
-   dh_installmenu -a
-   dh_installcron -a
-   dh_installmanpages -a
-   dh_installchangelogs -a changes.txt
+   dh_installmenu -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
+   dh_installcron -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
+   dh_installmanpages -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
+   dh_installchangelogs -a changes.txt -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
dh_strip -a
dh_compress -a
 
@@ -148,10 +155,15 @@
dh_makeshlibs -p$(LIBSLANG_UTF8) -V ${LIBSLANG_UTF8} ( 1.4.4-7.1)
dh_installdeb -a
dh_shlibdeps -a
-   dh_gencontrol 
-
-   dh_md5sums -a
-   dh_builddeb -a
+   dh_gencontrol -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
+   dh_md5sums -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
+   dh_builddeb -a -N$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB)
+
+   # don't know how to do shlibdeps
+   # dh_shlibdeps
+   dh_gencontrol -a -p$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB) -- -fdebian/files~
+   dpkg-distaddfile $(UDEBNAME) debian-installer optional
+   dh_builddeb -p$(LIBSLANG_UTF8_UDEB) --filename=$(UDEBNAME)
 
 source diff:  
@echo 2 'source and diff are obsolete - use dpkg-source -b'; false
diff -urN x/slang-1.4.5/debian/slang1a-utf8-udeb.dirs 
slang-1.4.5/debian/slang1a-utf8-udeb.dirs
--- x/slang-1.4.5/debian/slang1a-utf8-udeb.dirs Thu Jan  1 01:00:00 1970
+++ slang-1.4.5/debian/slang1a-utf8-udeb.dirs   Thu Feb 27 23:18:48 2003
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+lib


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Re: udebs for more than just installation

2003-02-27 Thread Joey Hess
Glenn McGrath wrote:
 udebs are a technical solution to a social problem

Not entirely. I avoided some picky policy stuff with udebs, but as much
of the idea was to make sure that the stuff used by the installer did
not bloat the main packages lists, and to make sure nobody would install
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Package: installation
Version: CVS 25/02/2003 (not installed)
Severity: normal

Hi all,
probably some of these small problems are known and sorry in
case of duplicated information.

I did built d-i from today CVS and noticed this:

- hostname at reboot is localhost (Im sure this is an old problem)
  even if specified differently during the installation.
  /etc/hosts is indeed correct.

- for kernel 2.4.19 are missing modules/userland utils. An example is
  evms. It is possible to install the userland but not load any module.
  That makes the userland useless.

- on the console (busybox) a number of commands do not work.
  ex: ifconfig, modprobe. keep printing the enabled functions in
  busybox.

- at d-i modules selection time number 18) is missing a description
  i hope to remember correctly that was 18 but anyway it just claim:
  18) for debian-installer

- lilo config should be regenarated after the first reboot with a more
  commented one.

- mkswap is enabled in busybox but it is still not possible (if not by
  hand) to create a swap partition automatically.

Then i made some experiments using kernel-2.4.20 to install changing
of course the version in the Makefile and in order to make it fitting on
the disk i dropped the isapnp card support (no need for my laptop).
Well of course the first problem is the size. 1 floppy is not enough.
It arises the same problem of kernel modules/userland utilities
(this time for lvm as well). The installer anyway cannot go further the
partition harddisk. It looks like it cannot find the partitions even
if they are there. I was not able to force it to proceed even mounting
the partitions by hand.

Thanks to everyone. except from this small things I had a really good
feeling using it. Congratulations for your great job guys!

Fabio

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux trider-g7 2.4.19 #3 Tue Oct 8 19:33:41 CEST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C


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