Please unblock dmraid/1.0.0.rc15-6 (udebs)

2009-04-05 Thread Giuseppe Iuculano
Hi,

Could you unblock dmraid/1.0.0.rc15-6 please?


Cheers,
Giuseppe.




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Re: please approve / unblock pciutils/1:3.1.2-3 (udeb)

2009-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
unblocked


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Re: Please unblock dmraid/1.0.0.rc15-6 (udebs)

2009-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
Giuseppe Iuculano wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Could you unblock dmraid/1.0.0.rc15-6 please?

unblocked

Cheers

Luk


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Bug#522653: win32-loader: [INTL:ru] Russian program translation update

2009-04-05 Thread Yuri Kozlov
Package: win32-loader
Version: 0.6.10
Severity: wishlist
Tags: l10n patch


Russian program translation update is attached.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=ru_RU.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
# translation of ru.po to Russian
# This file is distributed under the same license as the win32-loader package.
#
# Evgeny Burzak moon...@yandex.ru, 2006.
# Yuri Kozlov kozlo...@gmail.com, 2007, 2008.
# Yuri Kozlov yu...@komyakino.ru, 2009.
msgid 
msgstr 
Project-Id-Version: win32-loader 0.6.10\n
Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n
POT-Creation-Date: 2009-01-03 22:10+\n
PO-Revision-Date: 2009-03-22 09:12+0300\n
Last-Translator: Yuri Kozlov yu...@komyakino.ru\n
Language-Team: Russian debian-l10n-russ...@lists.debian.org\n
MIME-Version: 1.0\n
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n
X-Generator: KBabel 1.11.4\n
Plural-Forms:  nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1  n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10=2  
n%10=4  (n%10010 || n%100=20) ? 1 : 2);\n

#. translate:
#. This must be a valid string recognised by Nsis.  If your
#. language is not yet supported by Nsis, please translate the
#. missing Nsis part first.
#.
#: win32-loader.sh:36 win32-loader.c:39
msgid LANG_ENGLISH
msgstr LANG_RUSSIAN

#. translate:
#. This must be the string used by GNU iconv to represent the charset used
#. by Windows for your language.  If you don't know, check
#. [wine]/tools/wmc/lang.c, or 
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/WinCP.mspx
#.
#. IMPORTANT: In the rest of this file, only the subset of UTF-8 that can be
#. converted to this charset should be used.
#: win32-loader.sh:52
msgid windows-1252
msgstr windows-1251

#. translate:
#. Charset used by NTLDR in your localised version of Windows XP.  If you
#. don't know, maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page helps.
#: win32-loader.sh:57
msgid cp437
msgstr cp866

#. translate:
#. The name of your language _in English_ (must be restricted to ascii)
#: win32-loader.sh:67
msgid English
msgstr Russian

#. translate:
#. IMPORTANT: only the subset of UTF-8 that can be converted to NTLDR charset
#. (e.g. cp437) should be used in this string.  If you don't know which charset
#. applies, limit yourself to ascii.
#: win32-loader.sh:81
msgid Debian Installer
msgstr Программа установки Debian

#. translate:
#. The nlf file for your language should be found in
#. /usr/share/nsis/Contrib/Language files/
#.
#: win32-loader.c:68
msgid English.nlf
msgstr Russian.nlf

#: win32-loader.c:71
msgid Debian-Installer Loader
msgstr Загрузчик программы установки Debian

#: win32-loader.c:72
msgid Cannot find win32-loader.ini.
msgstr Не удалось найти win32-loader.ini.

#: win32-loader.c:73
msgid win32-loader.ini is incomplete.  Contact the provider of this medium.
msgstr В win32-loader.ini не хватает данных. Обратитесь к поставщику этого 
носителя.

#: win32-loader.c:74
msgid 
This program has detected that your keyboard type is \$0\.  Is this 
correct?
msgstr Обнаружено, что тип вашей клавиатуры \$0\. Это верно?

#: win32-loader.c:75
msgid 
Please send a bug report with the following information:\n
\n
 - Version of Windows.\n
 - Country settings.\n
 - Real keyboard type.\n
 - Detected keyboard type.\n
\n
Thank you.
msgstr 
Отправьте отчёт об ошибке со следующей информацией:\n
\n
 - версия Windows\n
 - региональные настройки\n
 - настоящий тип клавиатуры\n
 - определившийся тип клавиатуры\n
\n
Спасибо.

#: win32-loader.c:76
msgid 
There doesn't seem to be enough free disk space in drive $c.  For a complete 
desktop install, it is recommended to have at least 3 GB.  If there is 
already a separate disk or partition to install Debian, or if you plan to 
replace Windows completely, you can safely ignore this warning.
msgstr 
Недостаточно свободного места на диске $c. Для установки полноценного 
рабочего стола рекомендуется освободить на диске как минимум 3 Гб. Если в 
вашей системе уже есть отдельный жёсткий диск или раздел для установки 
Debian, или если вы планируете полностью отказаться от Windows, то просто 
проигнорируйте это предупреждение.

#: win32-loader.c:77
msgid Error: not enough free disk space.  Aborting install.
msgstr Ошибка: недостаточно свободного места на жёстком диске. Отмена 
установки.

#: win32-loader.c:78
msgid This program doesn't support Windows $windows_version yet.
msgstr Эта программа пока не поддерживает Windows $windows_version.

#: win32-loader.c:79
msgid 
The version of Debian you're trying to install is designed to run on modern, 
64-bit computers.  However, your computer is incapable of running 64-bit 
programs.\n
\n
Use the 32-bit (\i386\) version of Debian, or the Multi-arch version which 
is able to install either of them.\n
\n
This installer will abort now.
msgstr 
Версия Debian, которую вы пытаетесь установить, разрабатывалась под 
современные 64-битные 

Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Christian Perrier

FOlks, here is the complete draft of a report of our important
meetings, which I intend to send as a Bits from the D-I team mail in
a few days.

Please comment and correct things if you feel like you have the
courage to read all that logorrhea.

Subject: Bits from the Debian Installer team

After the release of Lenny, for which the Debian Installer team felt
proud for being a part of the techn[ical successbut also guilty for
being one of the release delay factors, the team felt the need to
virtually sit down and discuss about our future, organization and
technical challenges for the Lenny-Squeeze release cycle.

For this, we organized two team meetings that were held on March 16th
2009 and March 31st 2006 [1].

This Bits from the D-I team post represents the minutes of these two
meetings and will summary decisions and discussions that happened
during the meetings.

March 16th meeting: organisational issues
-

It is no mystery that the D-I team suffered from its low resources
during the Etch-Lenny release cycle, particularlyvisible in
difficulties felt to handle the release management work (please refer
to Nomvember 2008 meetings minutes).

As a consequence, the first satisfaction was having over 20
participants to the March 16th meeting and a very interactive and
alive discussion.

At the beginning of the meeting, a round table checkup confirmed that
most participants were sharing that feeling. Nobody wanted to put any
blame on our release manager (Otavio Salvador), except maybe Otavio
himself. A certain lack of leadership is pointed, with indeed nobody
really ready to take that leadership. To some extent, the leadership
was shared between Otavio Salvador, Frans Pop and Christian Perrier,
with sometimes obvious lack of real leadership.

That also lead to some core components of D-I to be neglected in some
way, though several team members did a great work maintaining them in
releasable shape.

On the other hand, the lack of developers was *also* pointed. Colin
Watson noticeably insisted on the demotivation that can arise when
most parts of D-I are frozen because of release preparation. That
seems to have a high potential to demotivate potential participants to
development.

It was also pointed that former releases of D-I happened under a
strong leadership by very involved, motivated people, who had a very
noticeable amount of time to invest in these tasks (namely Joey Hess,
then Frans Pop, who both lead the work and took the RM work in a
similar way). That model reached its limits, apparently, when the
release manager (who's seen as the leader) has a lower commitment
reliability. As this is more likely than our previous situation, we
need to learn about coping with that.

The general conclusion is that we should try to have a clearer
delineation between ongoing development and release-targeted work.
Both need to happen and both should not conflict.

In that matter, as we were able to release, what seems to be more
missing is the technical leadership of the project, while the
release manager remains the visible person.

A general agreement is that Otavio had to spend too much time on
technical work rather than focus on release priorities
(building/uploading the kernel udebs is given as an example).

Another agreement is that release preparation include a lot of work to
coordinate, some of which could maybe be more automated (such as
building more of D-I on the build daemons, running the daily builds in
a more controlled environment or upload the debian-installer package
more often...).

Finally, after many discussions about various ways to take some load
out of the RM shoulders, we settled on an organization where Otavio
Salvador keeps working as D-I release manager, with some assistance
during the release preparations:
- Christian Perrier for all boring and tedious non technical tasks such
  as release announcement, web pages stuff, meeting organization (and 
  reports, doh)
- Luk Claes as dedicated link with the Debian Release Management and
  focusing on technical methods to take as much load as possible for
  the D-I RM
- Jérémy Bobbio and Colin Watson as Backup experts option when tricky
  problems that might delay releases are identified

Other widely accepted decisions were:
- try having more technical leadership, not necessarily concentrated on the
  RM shoulders
- do our best to avoid long freezes and keep the development pace active
- try having development corners for our potential new contributors so
  that the team doesn't shrink down to the core team

March 30th meeting: technical issues - release goals


After the March 16th meeting that was focused on organisational and
roles issues, we postponed the discussion of technical changes and
Squeeze release goals to a dedicated meeting.

That meeting had slightly fewer attendees, but again lasted for 2
hours and was very alive. Again, that seems to be 

Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Christian Perrier bubu...@debian.org wrote:

 FOlks, here is the complete draft of a report of our important
 meetings, which I intend to send as a Bits from the D-I team mail in
 a few days.

 Please comment and correct things if you feel like you have the
 courage to read all that logorrhea.

It looks fine; I did read the first and this draft and I believe it is OK.

-- 
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E-mail: ota...@ossystems.com.br  http://www.ossystems.com.br
Mobile: +55 53 9981-7854 http://projetos.ossystems.com.br


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Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 05 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
 Similarly, the installation guide could be uploaded more often, of
 course without translation freeze. That would help better spotting
 issues, errors or missing parts, hopefully.

Speaking as the person who has done 90% of the work on the manual and done 
_all_ of its releases as a separate package: this is total nonsense.
Anybody who thinks this has never seriously looked at how the manual is 
currently written, translated, built, distributed and used.

BTW, I still do consider myself to be the RM for the manual and would be 
very unhappy with anybody uploading it without at the very least talking 
to me first.


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Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
Christian Perrier wrote:

 Please comment and correct things if you feel like you have the
 courage to read all that logorrhea.

Ok, I'll sometimes be a bit picky, though it's to have a better
announcement :-)

 Subject: Bits from the Debian Installer team
 
 After the release of Lenny, for which the Debian Installer team felt
 proud for being a part of the techn[ical successbut also guilty for

technical

 being one of the release delay factors, the team felt the need to
 virtually sit down and discuss about our future, organization and
 technical challenges for the Lenny-Squeeze release cycle.
 
 For this, we organized two team meetings that were held on March 16th
 2009 and March 31st 2006 [1].

2009 ...

 This Bits from the D-I team post represents the minutes of these two
 meetings and will summary decisions and discussions that happened

summarise

 during the meetings.

 March 16th meeting: organisational issues
 -
 
 It is no mystery that the D-I team suffered from its low resources
 during the Etch-Lenny release cycle, particularlyvisible in

particulary visible

 difficulties felt to handle the release management work (please refer
 to Nomvember 2008 meetings minutes).

to the November 2008 meeting minutes

It would be good to have a link here.

 As a consequence, the first satisfaction was having over 20
 participants to the March 16th meeting and a very interactive and
 alive discussion.
 
 At the beginning of the meeting, a round table checkup confirmed that
 most participants were sharing that feeling. Nobody wanted to put any

s/that/the above mentioned/

 blame on our release manager (Otavio Salvador), except maybe Otavio
 himself. A certain lack of leadership is pointed, with indeed nobody

pointed out

 really ready to take that leadership. To some extent, the leadership
 was shared between Otavio Salvador, Frans Pop and Christian Perrier,
 with sometimes obvious lack of real leadership.
 
 That also lead to some core components of D-I to be neglected in some
 way, though several team members did a great work maintaining them in
 releasable shape.
 
 On the other hand, the lack of developers was *also* pointed. Colin

pointed out

 Watson noticeably insisted on the demotivation that can arise when
 most parts of D-I are frozen because of release preparation. That
 seems to have a high potential to demotivate potential participants to
 development.
 
 It was also pointed that former releases of D-I happened under a

pointed out

 strong leadership by very involved, motivated people, who had a very
 noticeable amount of time to invest in these tasks (namely Joey Hess,
 then Frans Pop, who both lead the work and took the RM work in a
 similar way). That model reached its limits, apparently, when the
 release manager (who's seen as the leader) has a lower commitment
 reliability. As this is more likely than our previous situation, we
 need to learn about coping with that.
 
 The general conclusion is that we should try to have a clearer
 delineation between ongoing development and release-targeted work.
 Both need to happen and both should not conflict.
 
 In that matter, as we were able to release, what seems to be more
 missing is the technical leadership of the project, while the
 release manager remains the visible person.
 
 A general agreement is that Otavio had to spend too much time on
 technical work rather than focus on release priorities
 (building/uploading the kernel udebs is given as an example).
 
 Another agreement is that release preparation include a lot of work to
 coordinate, some of which could maybe be more automated (such as
 building more of D-I on the build daemons, running the daily builds in
 a more controlled environment or upload the debian-installer package
 more often...).
 
 Finally, after many discussions about various ways to take some load
 out of the RM shoulders, we settled on an organization where Otavio
 Salvador keeps working as D-I release manager, with some assistance
 during the release preparations:
 - Christian Perrier for all boring and tedious non technical tasks such
   as release announcement, web pages stuff, meeting organization (and 
   reports, doh)
 - Luk Claes as dedicated link with the Debian Release Management and
   focusing on technical methods to take as much load as possible for
   the D-I RM
 - Jérémy Bobbio and Colin Watson as Backup experts option when tricky
   problems that might delay releases are identified
 
 Other widely accepted decisions were:
 - try having more technical leadership, not necessarily concentrated on the
   RM shoulders
 - do our best to avoid long freezes and keep the development pace active
 - try having development corners for our potential new contributors so
   that the team doesn't shrink down to the core team
 
 March 30th meeting: technical issues - release goals
 
 
 After the March 16th meeting that 

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di-utils-shell_1.67_all.udeb
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Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Ryan Niebur
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cdebconf-text-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
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cdebconf-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
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cdebconf_0.140.dsc
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Bug#343119: marked as done (cdebconf: Display bug for notes templates in some situations)

2009-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System

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Package: cdebconf
Severity: normal

This bugs only seems to happen in rare situations. To experience it, one has
to run an install in Bosnian, for instance.

The bug can be seen on the cdebconf Change questions priority screen. So,
to reproduce it, you first need running the initial parts of the install, up
to Lad installer components step.

Then Change debconf questions priority appears in the main menu: Promjeni
debconf nivo prioritera.

When choosing it, the select screen for priority is displayed. Lilke for
many languages, this screen does not fit on one screen. However, contrary to
these other languages, the screen does not display a first screen with an
OK button, followed by the choices list.

In contrary, the screen has no widget at all, only the text of the template.
Moving the arrow keys up and down shows that the cursor virtually moves
through choices, without any of these displayed.

I suspect this is more a newt bug than a cdebconf bugplease reassign
where appropriate.

I should anyway urge translators to *reduce* the size of this screen...which
is what I did for French.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.13-1-686
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

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We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
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cdebconf-newt-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
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cdebconf-priority_0.140_all.udeb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf-priority_0.140_all.udeb
cdebconf-text-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf-text-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
cdebconf-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
cdebconf_0.140.dsc
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf_0.140.dsc
cdebconf_0.140.tar.gz
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf_0.140.tar.gz
cdebconf_0.140_amd64.deb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf_0.140_amd64.deb
libdebconfclient0-dev_0.140_amd64.deb
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libdebconfclient0-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:36:15 -0300
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cdebconf-text-udeb cdebconf-gtk-udeb
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 0.140
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Install System Team debian-boot@lists.debian.org
Changed-By: Otavio Salvador ota...@debian.org
Description: 
 cdebconf   - Debian Configuration Management System (C-implementation)
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(udeb)
 cdebconf-newt-udeb - Newt frontend for Debian Configuration Management System 
(udeb)
 cdebconf-priority - Change debconf priority (udeb)
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System (udeb)
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Bug#508042: marked as done (newt frontent have inefficient use of screen real estate (multiselect))

2009-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System

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Version:  0.137
Severity: important
User: debian-...@lists.debian.org
UserTags: debian-edu
x-debbugs-cc: debian-...@lists.debian.org

The profile question in Debian Edu/Lenny do not look good.  The
multiselect question do not select all the four options, but only the
first three and a scroll bar, while the display have three blank lines
between the question text and the question itself.

See the attached image d-i-edu-danish-profile.png for an example.
This is the normal profile question in the debian-edu-install package.

The expert question have more options, and look even worse.  Here, the
text fill the entire screen, and instead of moving the multiselect
part of the question to another screen (which is done when not using
preformattet text), it display the question at the lower end, on top
of/below the button continue button.  See the attached image
d-i-edu-english-profile-expert.png.

The expert profile question is not usable (not able to see properly
the options to select them), while the normal profile is just
confusing to users.  Because of this, I set severity to important.

Happy hacking,
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We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
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cdebconf-gtk-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf-gtk-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
cdebconf-newt-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf-newt-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
cdebconf-priority_0.140_all.udeb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf-priority_0.140_all.udeb
cdebconf-text-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
  to pool/main/c/cdebconf/cdebconf-text-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
cdebconf-udeb_0.140_amd64.udeb
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cdebconf_0.140.dsc
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cdebconf_0.140.tar.gz
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libdebconfclient0-dev_0.140_amd64.deb
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Bug#507372: marked as done (cdebconf-newt-udeb: does not show enough choices for long descriptions)

2009-04-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System

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Package: cdebconf-newt-udeb
Severity: minor
Tags: patch

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:12:58PM +0100, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 I've pulled the netboot Xen variant and did a paravirtual
 installation.  It went all right, but I noticed a mysterious empty box
 on the APT setup screen: see http://apt.niif.hu/apt-config.png above
 the Continue button.  Is that maybe a degenerated scrollbar, where
 volatile is hiding?  It isn't included in sources.list after
 installation.  I can't test it until tomorrow, but it's unfortunate
 either way...

Indeed, the minimum size requirement for select/multiselect questions
was not computed maximum number of lines that could be used for the
description.

The attached patch fix this issue.  I have run an installation through
the end without any problem with the patch applied.

Cheers,
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lu...@debian.org: :Ⓐ  :  # apt-get install anarchism
`. `'` 
  `-   
diff --git a/packages/cdebconf/src/modules/frontend/newt/newt.c b/packages/cdebconf/src/modules/frontend/newt/newt.c
index 71dd5c3..4137ff7 100644
--- a/packages/cdebconf/src/modules/frontend/newt/newt.c
+++ b/packages/cdebconf/src/modules/frontend/newt/newt.c
@@ -118,6 +118,7 @@ struct newtColors newtAltColorPalette = {
 typedef int (newt_handler)(struct frontend *obj, struct question *q);
 
 static void newt_progress_stop(struct frontend *obj);
+static char *get_full_description(struct frontend *obj, struct question *q);
 
 #include cdebconf_newt.h
 
@@ -255,11 +256,11 @@ min_window_height(struct frontend *obj, struct question *q, int win_width)
 {
 int height = 3;
 char *type = q-template-type;
-char *q_ext_text;
+char *full_description;
 
-q_ext_text = q_get_extended_description(obj, q);
-if (q_ext_text != NULL)
-height = cdebconf_newt_get_text_height(q_ext_text, win_width) + 1;
+full_description = get_full_description(obj, q);
+if (full_description != NULL)
+height = cdebconf_newt_get_text_height(full_description, win_width) + 1;
 if (strcmp(type, multiselect) == 0 || strcmp(type, select) == 0)
 height += 4; // at least three lines for choices + blank line
 else if (strcmp(type, string) == 0 || strcmp(type, password) == 0)


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[Debian Installer] Are the daily images usable?

2009-04-05 Thread Paul Menzel
Dear list,


I am going to install Debian tomorrow on a i686 machine and wanted to
use the daily images of the Debian Installer. Two questions.

1. Are the current daily images usable. [1] does not show too much
problems.

2. Is there anything I should try out (installing over UMTS device, …)
to report back how it went?


Thanks,

Paul


[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today


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Bug#519508: installation-guide: Section 5.1.3 Booting from Linux Using LILO or GRUB assumes Linux is on hd0, 0

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
tags 519508 pending
thanks

On Friday 13 March 2009, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
 In section 5.1.3, if using GRUB, the procedure says to add lines
 kernel (hd0,0)/boot/newinstall/vmlinuz
 initrd (hd0,0)/boot/newinstall/initrd.gz

 This will of course only work if the files were copied to
 (hd0,0)/boot/newinstall/.

Which is exactly what's suggested in section 4.4 to which 5.1.3 refers.

 BTW, I have no idea what the value of ramdisk_size refers to in Note
 that the value of the ramdisk_size may need to be adjusted for the size
 of the initrd image. (just below).

Removed. That's a remnant from the 2.4 and early 2.6 kernel era.

 And another BTW, it would be more generic to talk about ISO images in
 the third paragraph, since the iso can also be a DVD image.

I've added a mention of DVD.

Cheers,
FJP



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Bug#518018: installation-guide: Appendix B: mkpasswd example wrong

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
tag 518018 pending
thanks

On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Rene Engelhard wrote:
 What is working is the following:

 echo -n r00tme | mkpasswd -s -m md5

 because echo then omits the \n which would end up into the hash
 otherwise...

Thanks for reporting René.
I've used 'printf' instead of 'echo -n' for better portability.



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Bug#511053: [patch] minor fixes to partman/preseeding notes

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Vincent McIntyre wrote:
 Two patches are attached for your consideration.

   - partman-auto-recipe.txt.patch
   a few suggested grammatical changes

Committed. Thanks.

   - preseed.xml
   it is now possible to preseed multiple disks
   try to enhance preseeding example's comments
   point to partman-auto-recipe.txt on websvn.
   mention lvm-related improvements

This needs a bit of work (description of 'crypto' is not entirely accurate 
for example). Also, I'm planning a stable update of the manual currently 
and prefer to delay making these changes until after that.

Cheers,
FJP



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Bug#509372: typo in installation-guide/po/ja/using-d-i.po

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
tag 509372 pending
thanks

On Sunday 21 December 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
 There is a typo in the japanese translation, here is a patch.

Applied. Thanks.



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le Sun 08 Mar 2009 03:16:56 +0100, a écrit :
 Ping?

Ping timeout.

Ping?

Samuel



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
Hi Samuel,

On Sunday 21 December 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:
 Here is a patch that adds to installation-guide two accessibility
 sections: in the supported hardware section, provide urls to lists
 of supported braille displays and speech syntheses, and in the boot
 section, document the boot parameters needed to enable accessibility
 features.

Sorry for not replying to this sooner. It was on my ToDo list for the
manual, but I tend to work on that in batches.

I'm currently planning an update of the manual for stable, and it would be
nice to include this. However, there are a few problems with the proposed
patch. If you can provide an updated version of the patch fairly shortly,
I'll try to include it in the update (even though it means additional work
for translators).


The main issue is that the installation guide is built for 11
architectures, but most of your description is only valid for 2 of them:
amd64 and i386. This is of course not acceptable.
Either you'll need to specifically limit the sections to those 2 arches
(using 'arch=x86' conditions in relevant tags), or you'll need to adjust
the descriptions where appropriate. There are various options to make text
architecture specific ('arch=' conditions in section/para tags, or the
phrase tag).

Note that for arches that do not support an accessibility option at all
(s390 comes to mind), the text should be suppressed anyway.


General spelling error: s/speech syntheses/speech synthesis/
Also, please use:
  s/BRLTTY/classnamebrltty/classname/
  s/Speakup/classnamespeakup/classname/

Some more specific comments below.


Index: en/hardware/accessibility.xml
===
+Debian's support for braille displays is determined by the underlying
+support found in BRLTTY. Most displays work under BRLTTY, via serial, USB
+or bluetooth. Details on supported braille devices can be found at ulink
+url=url-brltty;/ulink. Debian release; ships with BRLTTY version
+brlttyver;.
[...]
+Debian's support for hardware speech syntheses is determined by the underlying
+support found in Speakup. Speakup only supports integrated boards and external
+devices connected through Serial (no USB or serial-to-USB adapters are

Serial should not be capitalized.
Is through correct? You use via for brltty. Maybe use something like
connected to a serial port.

+supported).  Details on supported hardware speech syntheses can be found at
+ulink url=url-speakup;/ulink. Debian release; ships with Speakup 
version
+speakupver;.

Are the versions of brltty and speakup really important for users? Please
consider that it's something that will need to be updated and that that's
easily forgotten or skipped if that is done by someone without much personal
interest in accessibility issues.

Index: en/boot-installer/accessibility.xml
===
--- en/boot-installer/accessibility.xml (r�vision 0)
+++ en/boot-installer/accessibility.xml (r�vision 0)
@@ -0,0 +1,92 @@
+Some people may need particular support due to e.g. visual impairment.  USB

s/people/users/
s/due to e.g./because of e.g. some/

+braille displays are automatically detected, but most other accessibility
+features have to be enabled by hand.  On machines that support it, the boot

s/by hand/manually/ or specifically enabled ?

+menu emits a beep when it is ready to receive keystrokes.  Some boot parameters
+can then be appended to enable accessibility features.  Note that on most
+architectures the boot loader interprets your keyboard as a QWERTY keyboard.
+
+/para
+
+sect2titleUSB Braille Displays/title
+
+para
+
+USB braille displays should be automatically detected.  A textual version of
+the installer will then be automatically selected, and support for the braille
+display will be automatically installed on the target system.  You can thus 
just
+press enterkey; at the boot menu.  Once BRLTTY is started,
+you can choose a braille table by entering the preference menu.

Is it obvious to users how this preference menu is entered?

+/para
+
+  /sect2
+  sect2titleSerial Braille Displays/title
+
+para
+
+Serial braille displays can not safely be automatically detected
+(since that may brick some of them).  You thus need to append the
+userinputbrltty=driver,port,table/userinput boot parameter to tell

The parts that need to be replaced should be tagged replaceable.

+BRLTTY which driver it should use. userinputdriver/userinput
+should be replaced by the two-letter driver core for your terminal,

s/core/code/

+see ulink url=url-brltty-driver-codes;/ulink for a list.

Please change this so that the URL itself is not displayed.

+userinputdevice/userinput should be replaced by the name of the serial
+port the display is connected to, userinputttyS0/userinput is the default.
+userinputtable/userinput is the name of the braille table to be used, see
+ulink url=url-brltty-table-codes;/ulink for a list, the english table


Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 06 April 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
 Samuel Thibault, le Sun 08 Mar 2009 03:16:56 +0100, a écrit :
  Ping?

 Ping timeout.

No. The timeout was at least 20 minutes after you sent this.
And more probably 2 days as that would have made it a full month.

;-)



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello,

Here is an updated patch.

Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 02:19:15 +0200, a écrit :
 The main issue is that the installation guide is built for 11
 architectures, but most of your description is only valid for 2 of them:
 amd64 and i386.

I know, I have already put x86 tags on the speakup sections.

 Note that for arches that do not support an accessibility option at all
 (s390 comes to mind), the text should be suppressed anyway.

I'm not sure how to do this, however: brltty is enabled only on a bunch
of archs, can the arch= tag take a list of archs?

 General spelling error: s/speech syntheses/speech synthesis/

Well, I actually wanted to use the plural form.

 +supported).  Details on supported hardware speech syntheses can be found at
 +ulink url=url-speakup;/ulink. Debian release; ships with Speakup 
 version
 +speakupver;.
 
 Are the versions of brltty and speakup really important for users?

So as to know which drivers are available, yes.

 Please consider that it's something that will need to be updated and
 that that's easily forgotten or skipped if that is done by someone
 without much personal interest in accessibility issues.

I know.

 +  Once BRLTTY is started,
 +you can choose a braille table by entering the preference menu.
 
 Is it obvious to users how this preference menu is entered?

Unfortunately, no.  I have several times asked upstream for a
documentation that would explain for each device how to enter the
preference menu, without success.  That's the best we can document here.

Samuel
Index: build/entities/urls.ent
===
--- build/entities/urls.ent (révision 58149)
+++ build/entities/urls.ent (copie de travail)
@@ -202,7 +202,14 @@
 
 !ENTITY url-simtel ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/;
 
+!ENTITY url-brltty http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/;
+!ENTITY url-brltty-driver-codes 
http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/doc/Manual-BRLTTY/English/BRLTTY-11.html;
+!ENTITY url-brltty-table-codes 
http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/doc/Manual-BRLTTY/English/BRLTTY-6.html;
 
+!ENTITY url-speakup http://www.linux-speakup.org/;
+!ENTITY url-speakup-driver-codes http://www.linux-speakup.org/spkguide.txt;
+
+
 !-- ** m68k links --
 !--
urls that I need to absorb or point to:
Index: build/entities/common.ent
===
--- build/entities/common.ent   (révision 58149)
+++ build/entities/common.ent   (copie de travail)
@@ -147,6 +147,12 @@
 !-- version of X11 shipping with the current release --
 !ENTITY x11ver 7.3
 
+!-- version of BRLTTY shipping with the current release --
+!ENTITY brlttyver 3.10
+
+!-- version of Speakup shipping with the current release --
+!ENTITY speakupver 3.0.3
+
 !-- an example of adding another image to lilo.conf, cf
  en/post-install.sgml etc. --
 !ENTITY additional-lilo-image
Index: build/templates/docstruct.ent
===
--- build/templates/docstruct.ent   (révision 58149)
+++ build/templates/docstruct.ent   (copie de travail)
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@
!ENTITY supported-sparc.xml SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/supported/sparc.xml
   !ENTITY network-cards.xmlSYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/network-cards.xml
   !ENTITY supported-peripherals.xmlSYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/supported-peripherals.xml
+  !ENTITY accessibility-hardware.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/accessibility.xml
   !ENTITY buying-hardware.xml  SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/buying-hardware.xml
   !ENTITY installation-media.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/installation-media.xml
   !ENTITY memory-disk-requirements.xml SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/memory-disk-requirements.xml
@@ -94,6 +95,7 @@
   !ENTITY boot-installer-s390.xml SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/s390.xml
   !ENTITY boot-installer-sparc.xmlSYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/sparc.xml
   !ENTITY boot-installer-parameters.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/parameters.xml
+  !ENTITY boot-installer-accessibility.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/accessibility.xml
   !ENTITY boot-installer-trouble.xml  SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/trouble.xml
 
  !ENTITY using-d-i.xml  SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/using-d-i/using-d-i.xml
Index: en/hardware/hardware-supported.xml
===
--- en/hardware/hardware-supported.xml  (révision 58149)
+++ en/hardware/hardware-supported.xml  (copie de travail)
@@ -399,6 +399,7 @@
   /sect2
 
 network-cards.xml;
+accessibility-hardware.xml;
 supported-peripherals.xml;
 
  /sect1
Index: en/hardware/accessibility.xml
===
--- en/hardware/accessibility.xml   (révision 0)
+++ en/hardware/accessibility.xml   (révision 0)
@@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
+!-- retain these comments for translator revision 

Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 06 April 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
 Here is an updated patch.

Thanks.

 Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 02:19:15 +0200, a écrit :
  Note that for arches that do not support an accessibility option at
  all (s390 comes to mind), the text should be suppressed anyway.

 I'm not sure how to do this, however: brltty is enabled only on a bunch
 of archs, can the arch= tag take a list of archs?

Yes. E.g. 'arch=x86,alpha,hppa'

  General spelling error: s/speech syntheses/speech synthesis/

 Well, I actually wanted to use the plural form.

Why? IMO that's incorrect English in this context.

Cheers,
FJP



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 03:04:59 +0200, a écrit :
   General spelling error: s/speech syntheses/speech synthesis/
 
  Well, I actually wanted to use the plural form.
 
 Why? IMO that's incorrect English in this context.

Mmm, maybe I need to use speech synthesis devices then?

Samuel



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Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Frans,

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote:
 On Sunday 05 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
 Similarly, the installation guide could be uploaded more often, of
 course without translation freeze. That would help better spotting
 issues, errors or missing parts, hopefully.

 Speaking as the person who has done 90% of the work on the manual and done
 _all_ of its releases as a separate package: this is total nonsense.
 Anybody who thinks this has never seriously looked at how the manual is
 currently written, translated, built, distributed and used.

It would be nice if you could clarify why do you believe it is nonsense.
This makes easier for we all to be at same page. As you can see on
the meeting minutes nobody has objected to it so would be nice if you
could elaborate it a bit more to allow us (the whole team) to be aware
of what you think.

 BTW, I still do consider myself to be the RM for the manual and would be
 very unhappy with anybody uploading it without at the very least talking
 to me first.

Nobody proposed to upload it blindly; and obviously you'd be consulted
before doing it.

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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 06 April 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
 Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 03:04:59 +0200, a écrit :
General spelling error: s/speech syntheses/speech synthesis/
  
   Well, I actually wanted to use the plural form.
 
  Why? IMO that's incorrect English in this context.

 Mmm, maybe I need to use speech synthesis devices then?

Yep. Speech synthesis is a functionality (singular) that can be provided 
by different (types of) devices. A speech synthesis device would be 
something like a speech synthesizer (which could be plural), but I 
doubt that's a common term.

But when it comes to e.g. a section header, you can probably just use
Speech synthesis (if it e.g. describes the availability of the 
functionality rather than its implementation in specific devices).



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 03:28:26 +0200, a écrit :
 On Monday 06 April 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
  Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 03:04:59 +0200, a écrit :
 General spelling error: s/speech syntheses/speech synthesis/
   
Well, I actually wanted to use the plural form.
  
   Why? IMO that's incorrect English in this context.
 
  Mmm, maybe I need to use speech synthesis devices then?
 
 Yep. Speech synthesis is a functionality (singular)

Ok.  In french that would refer to the device as well.

Samuel



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 03:04:59 +0200, a écrit :
  Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 02:19:15 +0200, a écrit :
   Note that for arches that do not support an accessibility option at
   all (s390 comes to mind), the text should be suppressed anyway.
 
  I'm not sure how to do this, however: brltty is enabled only on a bunch
  of archs, can the arch= tag take a list of archs?
 
 Yes. E.g. 'arch=x86,alpha,hppa'

I can't make it work. the parser wants quotes, and with quotes it does
not interpret the commas.

Samuel



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 06 April 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
 Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 03:04:59 +0200, a écrit :
   Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 02:19:15 +0200, a écrit :
Note that for arches that do not support an accessibility option
at all (s390 comes to mind), the text should be suppressed
anyway.
  
   I'm not sure how to do this, however: brltty is enabled only on a
   bunch of archs, can the arch= tag take a list of archs?
 
  Yes. E.g. 'arch=x86,alpha,hppa'

 I can't make it work. the parser wants quotes, and with quotes it does
 not interpret the commas.

Oops, sorry. The separator is ; instead of ,.
(I don't do this that often either; grep in existing docs is your friend.)

Note that there are also a few not-arch tags (see archspec= in
./build/arch-options/*). Especially useful are not-x86 (if you have one 
text for x86 and one for all other arches) and not-s390 (any arch but 
s390).

A list of arches in arch= is always OR.



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 06 April 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
   Yes. E.g. 'arch=x86,alpha,hppa'
 
  I can't make it work. the parser wants quotes, and with quotes it
  does not interpret the commas.

And, yes, quotes are required. So:
   arch=x86;alpha;hppa



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Bug#509371: installation-guide: Installation guide accessibility sections

2009-04-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Frans Pop, le Mon 06 Apr 2009 03:49:54 +0200, a écrit :
 Oops, sorry. The separator is ; instead of ,.

OK.

 (I don't do this that often either; grep in existing docs is your friend.)

Yes, it doesn't work very well in the installation guide, but it does in
the release notes indeed. Here is an updated patch. I had to explicitely
list architectures however as I couldn't find a way to express all
archs but this list.

Samuel
Index: build/entities/urls.ent
===
--- build/entities/urls.ent (révision 58149)
+++ build/entities/urls.ent (copie de travail)
@@ -202,7 +202,14 @@
 
 !ENTITY url-simtel ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/;
 
+!ENTITY url-brltty http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/;
+!ENTITY url-brltty-driver-codes 
http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/doc/Manual-BRLTTY/English/BRLTTY-11.html;
+!ENTITY url-brltty-table-codes 
http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/doc/Manual-BRLTTY/English/BRLTTY-6.html;
 
+!ENTITY url-speakup http://www.linux-speakup.org/;
+!ENTITY url-speakup-driver-codes http://www.linux-speakup.org/spkguide.txt;
+
+
 !-- ** m68k links --
 !--
urls that I need to absorb or point to:
Index: build/entities/common.ent
===
--- build/entities/common.ent   (révision 58149)
+++ build/entities/common.ent   (copie de travail)
@@ -147,6 +147,12 @@
 !-- version of X11 shipping with the current release --
 !ENTITY x11ver 7.3
 
+!-- version of BRLTTY shipping with the current release --
+!ENTITY brlttyver 3.10
+
+!-- version of Speakup shipping with the current release --
+!ENTITY speakupver 3.0.3
+
 !-- an example of adding another image to lilo.conf, cf
  en/post-install.sgml etc. --
 !ENTITY additional-lilo-image
Index: build/templates/docstruct.ent
===
--- build/templates/docstruct.ent   (révision 58149)
+++ build/templates/docstruct.ent   (copie de travail)
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@
!ENTITY supported-sparc.xml SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/supported/sparc.xml
   !ENTITY network-cards.xmlSYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/network-cards.xml
   !ENTITY supported-peripherals.xmlSYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/supported-peripherals.xml
+  !ENTITY accessibility-hardware.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/accessibility.xml
   !ENTITY buying-hardware.xml  SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/buying-hardware.xml
   !ENTITY installation-media.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/installation-media.xml
   !ENTITY memory-disk-requirements.xml SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/hardware/memory-disk-requirements.xml
@@ -94,6 +95,7 @@
   !ENTITY boot-installer-s390.xml SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/s390.xml
   !ENTITY boot-installer-sparc.xmlSYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/sparc.xml
   !ENTITY boot-installer-parameters.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/parameters.xml
+  !ENTITY boot-installer-accessibility.xml   SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/accessibility.xml
   !ENTITY boot-installer-trouble.xml  SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/boot-installer/trouble.xml
 
  !ENTITY using-d-i.xml  SYSTEM 
##SRCPATH##/using-d-i/using-d-i.xml
Index: en/hardware/hardware-supported.xml
===
--- en/hardware/hardware-supported.xml  (révision 58149)
+++ en/hardware/hardware-supported.xml  (copie de travail)
@@ -399,6 +399,7 @@
   /sect2
 
 network-cards.xml;
+accessibility-hardware.xml;
 supported-peripherals.xml;
 
  /sect1
Index: en/hardware/accessibility.xml
===
--- en/hardware/accessibility.xml   (révision 0)
+++ en/hardware/accessibility.xml   (révision 0)
@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+!-- retain these comments for translator revision tracking --
+!-- $Id: accessibility-hardware.xml $ --
+
+ sect2 id=braille-displays arch=alpha;ia64;powerpc;x86
+ titleBraille Displays/title
+para
+
+Debian's support for braille displays is determined by the underlying
+support found in classnamebrltty/classname. Most displays
+work under classnamebrltty/classname, via serial, USB or
+bluetooth. Details on supported braille devices can be found on the ulink
+url=url-brltty;classnamebrltty/classname website/ulink. Debian
+release; ships with classnamebrltty/classname version brlttyver;.
+
+/para
+ /sect2
+
+ sect2 id=hardware-speech-synthesis arch=x86
+ titleHardware Speech Syntheses/title
+para
+
+Debian's support for hardware speech synthesis devices is determined
+by the underlying support found in classnamespeakup/classname.
+classnamespeakup/classname only supports integrated boards and external
+devices connected to a serial port (no USB or serial-to-USB adapters are
+supported).  Details on supported hardware speech synthesis devices can
+be found on the ulink url=url-speakup;classnamespeakup/classname
+website/ulink. Debian release; ships with 

Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 06 April 2009, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 It would be nice if you could clarify why do you believe it is
 nonsense.

No thanks. I see no reason why _I_ should make that effort.

As you seem to think that a change is needed and would improve things, it 
would be nice if you could explain, in some detail, what is currently 
lacking and how extra uploads would improve things. And it would be extra 
nice if you could show in that explanation that you actually understand 
(or at least have tried to understand) how the current setup works.

 As you can see on the meeting minutes nobody has objected to it...

I think that's primarily because nobody had an opinion on it as so far 
nobody has ever shown any real and sustained interest in helping out with 
the manual [1]. So TBH I'm not very impressed by that argument.

As soon as someone steps up and actually commits to helping out with 
maintenance of and RM for the manual (which is a fairly serious amount of 
work BTW), I'll be happy to explain how and why I do things as I 
currently do them [2].

Cheers,
FJP

[1] Yes, faw does the daily builds, but the original intention was that 
he'd take over RM, which never happened (which is fine). And yes, Colin 
is very good at providing/committing patches when he makes functional 
changes in D-I, but that's not the same as what we're talking about here.

[2] Just as I did, in great detail, when faw took over the daily builds. 
See mailing list archives.


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Bug#519508: installation-guide: Section 5.1.3 Booting from Linux Using LILO or GRUB assumes Linux is on hd0, 0

2009-04-05 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le April 5, 2009 06:59:43 pm Frans Pop, vous avez écrit :
 tags 519508 pending
 thanks
 
 On Friday 13 March 2009, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
  In section 5.1.3, if using GRUB, the procedure says to add lines
  kernel (hd0,0)/boot/newinstall/vmlinuz
  initrd (hd0,0)/boot/newinstall/initrd.gz
 
  This will of course only work if the files were copied to
  (hd0,0)/boot/newinstall/.
 
 Which is exactly what's suggested in section 4.4 to which 5.1.3 refers.
I see the path suggested in 4.4, but nothing about the partition. I'd suggest

The procedure for GRUB is quite similar. Locate your menu.lst in the 
/boot/grub/ directory (sometimes in the /boot/boot/grub/), add an entry for the 
installer and reboot. The entry can be defined by the following lines if the 
installer is in /boot/newinstall/ on the first partition of the first hard 
drive: 


  BTW, I have no idea what the value of ramdisk_size refers to in Note
  that the value of the ramdisk_size may need to be adjusted for the size
  of the initrd image. (just below).
 
 Removed. That's a remnant from the 2.4 and early 2.6 kernel era.
 
  And another BTW, it would be more generic to talk about ISO images in
  the third paragraph, since the iso can also be a DVD image.
 
 I've added a mention of DVD.
 
 Cheers,
 FJP

Thanks much.

Cheers



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[D-I Manual] Build log for en (05 Apr 2009)

2009-04-05 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel
A build of the Debian Installer Manual was triggered by an update to SVN.

There were no errors during the build process.
The new version of the manual has been uploaded successfully.

A log of the build is available at:
- http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/logs/en.log

===
It is possible to use RSS to track changes to the manual.
For more information, see:
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/translators.html
===
Note: PDF output is not yet supported for some languages; help
with this would be appreciated.
===
If you have any questions about the build or this message, feel
free to contact me at faw AT funlabs DOT org.
===

Updated files ('svn up')

Uen/appendix/chroot-install.xml
Uen/appendix/files.xml
Uen/appendix/preseed.xml
Uen/using-d-i/modules/pkgsel.xml
Uen/boot-installer/x86.xml
Updated to revision 58149.


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Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Luk Claes
Frans Pop wrote:
 On Monday 06 April 2009, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 It would be nice if you could clarify why do you believe it is
 nonsense.
 
 No thanks. I see no reason why _I_ should make that effort.

Please stop that hostility.

Luk


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Re: Complete draft of the March 16th and 30th meetings minutes

2009-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 06 April 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
 Frans Pop wrote:
  On Monday 06 April 2009, Otavio Salvador wrote:
  It would be nice if you could clarify why do you believe it is
  nonsense.
 
  No thanks. I see no reason why _I_ should make that effort.

 Please stop that hostility.

What hostility?

Isn't it normal that the person proposing changes should provide 
argumentation for those changes before the person doing all the work
defends his current methods?

All I've seen so far is:
22:44  otavio  - we could upload installer manual too to give more up to 
date docs
22:45  otavio Even if installer manual is not translated, this can bring 
up more attenting to what is done
22:45  otavio and what is míssing
22:45  bubulle I think it's OK to upload the d-i manual without the l10n 
during the development cycle

This is literally *all* that was said about the installation guide. Those 
really are no more than very vague statements without any reasoning or 
backing in facts.

To me it's in no way clear how _any_ of the three goals listed there would 
be served by more frequent uploads or skipping calls for translation 
updates before uploads. To me it mostly shows that neither Otavio nor 
Christian has any real idea of what they're talking about. I therefore 
think it's up to them to explain their reasoning.

And really, it would help if people at least did some minimal research 
into how and why things are before suggesting random changes.
And yes, asking _is_ allowed. But preferably in a neutral way _before_ 
implying that the current way things are done is incorrect or at least 
suboptimal.


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