Re: A notice to the Debian Installer team...

2010-05-24 Thread Nima Azarbayjany
Hi Petter,

I have actually used the multi partman recipe.  My hard drive is 160G in
size.  The space allocated to /usr was more than enough under Lenny.  I used
to install both Gnome and KDE and lot more additional packages.  But now I
have only Gnome with a very small number of additional packages and the
partition is running low on disk space.  I think at least 6G should have
been allocated to /usr.

Installing Lenny with the laptop task selected consisted only of 815 or so
packages whereas now more 1100 packages were installed for a Squeeze laptop
install with more new packages installed on system upgrades.

By the way, this was fortunately my first time to use LVM when partitioning.
;)

Nima



On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.comwrote:


 [Nima Azarbayjany]
  I faced a problem in using Debian Squeeze recently which you should be
  aware of it by now but I'm writing you anyway to make sure it gets
  resolved sooner (if it is not yet).

 Very good.

  The problem is that using the installer's default partitioning
  scheme nearly 5Gb is allocated to the /usr partition which now seems
  to be too small for a normal Debian system.  I have a fresh install
  of Squeeze on my laptop with only a small number of additional
  packages installed.  The version of the installer I have used is I
  think not the newest one which also installs recommended packages.

 I suspect you were using the multi partman recipe, which specify the
 size of /usr/ should be between 500 and 5000 MB, depending on the size
 of the hard drive.

  Nevertheless, I have installed all updates and there is currently
  around 800Mb free space left on the partition.  Few days ago I tried
  installing KDevelop (the first KDE software to get installed) and
  its installation went smoothly except that I was prompted with a
  message that there is too low disk space left on /usr although there
  was still 200Mb or so free space on it.  The message kept popping up
  regularly.  I have now removed KDevelop and all KDE packages upon
  which it depends but this sure is problem which has to be taken care
  of given the larger number of packages installed by default and the
  natural growth of package and distribution sizes.

 For your hard drive, how much space do you believe should have been
 used on /usr/?  How big is the hard drive?

  If someone lets me know whether this issue has been resolved and
  what is the default partitioning scheme of the Debian Installer or
  where to fetch this information it can be of great help.  Thanks for
  your attention.

 Personally, I always use LVM, which allow me to resize partitions
 after installation.  It might be a good idea for you too. :)

 Happy hacking,
 --
 Petter Reinholdtsen



Hurd Debian-Installer: roadmap, tracking progress with the BTS

2010-05-24 Thread Jérémie Koenig
Hello,

Starting today I will be working on a native Hurd debian-installer.
This is a Google Summer of Code project mentored by Samuel Thibault.
My original proposal is there[1], and I will be updating a roadmap[2]
page as I go. Of course I would welcome any kind of feedback about
them at any point.

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2010/HurdDebianInstaller/JeremieKoenig
[2] 
http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2010/HurdDebianInstaller/JeremieKoenig/Roadmap

I would also welcome suggestions about using the BTS to track my
progress. If I understand correctly, I could:
  * track the bugs which I work on with a usertag
  * pre-file wishlist bugs on the packages which I will need to change
  * have a toplevel Hurd d-i bug which is blocked by said bugs

The kind of bugs I would be filing/tagging at first would be:
  * debian-installer: native Hurd debian-installer
  * busybox: Hurd support (see also #323670)
  * genext2fs: support tuning the block size and creator OS (#562999)
  * gnumach: initrd support
  * ...

More would be filed (especially against installer components) as I progress.
Would this be appropriate?
-- 
Jérémie Koenig j...@jk.fr.eu.org
http://jk.fr.eu.org/


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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes:

 On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
 This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
 is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
 
 There should also be some folks fixing the discovered issues.

 grub2 currently seems to be having 18 RC bugs, plus a whole bunch
 of merged bugs, while lilo only has 1 RC bug.  

I chatted about this with the grub upstream a couple of days ago.
According to Vladimir, most of those bugs are already fixed, but there's
nobody around to do a new upload.  Both grub maintainers (Felix Zielke
and Robert Millan) unexpectedly disappeared some time ago.
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Feri.


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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
 the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
 software that my employer uses.  This backup software backs up the
 master boot record and all partitions; but since the extra sectors
 used by grub-legacy and grub-pc are outside the master boot record and
 are not part of any partition, they don't get backed up.
 Consequently, if we have a hard drive failure and restore from a
 backup, we have an unbootable machine.  Lilo uses only the master boot
 record.  A lilo-booted machine can be backed up and restored with our
 existing backup software just fine.

You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
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Feri.


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Help with installation bug

2010-05-24 Thread Jon Ander Peñalba
Can someone please help me with this bug [1]? I'm kind of anxious to install
Debian on my netbook :P

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582044


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main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/crypto-dm-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
crypto-dm-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/crypto-dm-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
fat-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/fat-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
fat-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/fat-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
fat-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/fat-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
fb-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/fb-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
ide-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/ide-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
input-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/input-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
input-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/input-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
ipv6-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/ipv6-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
ipv6-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/ipv6-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
ipv6-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/ipv6-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
isofs-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/isofs-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
isofs-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/isofs-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
kernel-image-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/kernel-image-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
kernel-image-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/kernel-image-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
kernel-image-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/kernel-image-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6_1.19.dsc
  to main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6_1.19.dsc
linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6_1.19.tar.gz
  to main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6_1.19.tar.gz
loop-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/loop-modules-2.6.32-5-4kc-malta-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
loop-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-mipsel-2.6/loop-modules-2.6.32-5-r5k-cobalt-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
loop-modules-2.6.32-5-sb1-bcm91250a-di_1.19_mipsel.udeb
  to 

linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6_1.51_multi.changes ACCEPTED

2010-05-24 Thread Archive Administrator



Accepted:
ata-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/ata-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
cdrom-core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/cdrom-core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
crypto-dm-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/crypto-dm-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
ext3-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/ext3-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
fat-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/fat-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
ide-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/ide-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
isofs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/isofs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/jfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
kernel-image-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/kernel-image-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6_1.51.dsc
  to main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6_1.51.dsc
linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6_1.51.tar.gz
  to main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6_1.51.tar.gz
md-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/md-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
multipath-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/multipath-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
nic-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/nic-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
nls-core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/nls-core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
pata-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/pata-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
plip-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/plip-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
ppp-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/ppp-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
reiserfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/reiserfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
sata-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/sata-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
scsi-common-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/scsi-common-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
scsi-core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/scsi-core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
scsi-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/scsi-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
squashfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/squashfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
usb-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/usb-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
usb-storage-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/usb-storage-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
xfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb
  to 
main/l/linux-kernel-di-sparc-2.6/xfs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb


Override entries for your package:
ata-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - extra debian-installer
cdrom-core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - standard 
debian-installer
core-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - standard debian-installer
crypto-dm-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - extra debian-installer
crypto-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - extra debian-installer
ext3-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - standard debian-installer
ext4-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - standard debian-installer
fat-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - extra debian-installer
ide-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - standard debian-installer
isofs-modules-2.6.32-5-sparc64-di_1.51_sparc.udeb - standard debian-installer

Localization status for Debian Installer (May 24th update)

2010-05-24 Thread Christian PERRIER
In very short:
43 languages are in good shape (+3)
21 languages are in danger of being deactivated (-3)

Progress:
- Big update for Danish, Korean, Romanian: now complete and no 
  longer in danger
- Basque, Dutch, Japanese, Marathi, Punjabi are complete again
- Kannada is now 303t131f91u, 87t8f432u, 255t220u, 134t7f, 135t (+51 strings)

The safe side
-
29 languages are complete (+8):
ar ast bg cs da de el es eu fr gu hi it ja ko nb nl pl pt 
ro ru sk sv ta th vi zh_CN

3 languages were complete before sibyl-installer re-addition (-2):
ga he lt

8 languages were complete before changes to sublevel 5 (-2):
bn eo et fi pl sl sq tr zh_TW

3 languages have a few strings to update in sublevels 1 to 3 but have
recently active translators who will probably easy cope with them (-1):
be ca nn

The unsafe side
---
6 languages had a few updates since lenny but not on a regular
basis (-3).
These languages are at risk of being deactivated for Squeeze if they
are not complete for sublevels 1 and 2:
gl hu ka ml pt_BR tl

9 languages were complete in lenny but had no update since then (+0).
These languages are at risk of being deactivated for Squeeze if they
are not complete for sublevels 1 and 2:
bs dz hr id km lv mk ne wo

7 active languages are in bad shape (were not complete for lenny and
had no update since *before* the release of lenny) and at risk of being 
deactivated
except se which is an historical exception (+0):
090%  uk
087%  ku
086%  am
082%  kk
072%  sr
068%  cy
015%  se


The prospective side
--
Prospective languages are languages that are not yet
activated. They'll be activated if they reach 100% for sublevels 1 and 2.

1 Prospective language is doing progress(-1):
050%  kn: 303t131f91u for sublevel 1 and 87t8f432u for sublevel 2

10 Prospective languages are stalled(+1):
083%  si (P)
064%  is (P)
043%  ms (P)
025%  br (P)
014%  mg (P)
014%  te (P)
012%  fa (P)
009%  xh (P)
008%  ur (P)
002%  hy (P)
000%  lo (P) 





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Bug#580714: debian-installer: build installer image for Buffalo Linkstation Pro/Live

2010-05-24 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Ryan Tandy tarp...@gmail.com [2010-05-21 14:45]:
 I've attached an updated patch, including a check for a minimum BOOTVER
 of 1.10.  I don't know precisely which versions exist in the wild but
 that is the lowest version I've encountered that is known to work.

Looks good to me.  Applied!
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Re: Hurd Debian-Installer: roadmap, tracking progress with the BTS

2010-05-24 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jérémie Koenig]
 I would also welcome suggestions about using the BTS to track my
 progress. If I understand correctly, I could:
   * track the bugs which I work on with a usertag
   * pre-file wishlist bugs on the packages which I will need to change
   * have a toplevel Hurd d-i bug which is blocked by said bugs

Of these, I prefer usertagging, as it provide a better list of bugs
(sorted by severity and with more meta-info presented).

 The kind of bugs I would be filing/tagging at first would be:
   * debian-installer: native Hurd debian-installer
   * busybox: Hurd support (see also #323670)
   * genext2fs: support tuning the block size and creator OS (#562999)
   * gnumach: initrd support
   * ...

 More would be filed (especially against installer components) as I
 progress.  Would this be appropriate?

Sound good to me.  Perhaps you should get commit access if your
changes proves to be good, but I leave that to your mentor and the d-i
project manager to decide. :)

Happy hacking,
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Bug#571201: [tasksel]: please remove swfdec-mozilla from tasksel/tasks/desktop (and change to mozilla-plugin-gnash)

2010-05-24 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi,

 swfdec-mozilla was already removed from Debian unstable and testing.
 see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575943

 So, we also should remove swfdec-mozilla from tasksel/tasks/desktop
 and add mozilla-plugin-gnash instead. Or, just remove it since gnash
 isn't stable now (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575089).

 I've checked git repository, but not changed as above yet.
 Please fix this, thanks.

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Re: Help with installation bug

2010-05-24 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jon Ander Peñalba]
 Can someone please help me with this bug [1]? I'm kind of anxious to install
 Debian on my netbook :P

 [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582044

I had a look, but have no clue what go wrong.  My best suggestion is
to add 'set -x' at the top of hw-detect.sh to see what command is
hanging, but I suspect this really is some kernel driver issue and not
solvable by hw-detect.

Happy hacking,
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Re: Localization status for Debian Installer (May 24th update)

2010-05-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 24 May 2010, Christian PERRIER wrote:
 3 languages were complete before sibyl-installer re-addition

Sibyl installer strings can be recovered using msgcat from an older version 
of the PO file.


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Processing of flash-kernel_2.29_armel.changes

2010-05-24 Thread Archive Administrator
flash-kernel_2.29_armel.changes uploaded successfully to localhost
along with the files:
  flash-kernel_2.29.dsc
  flash-kernel_2.29.tar.gz
  flash-kernel_2.29_armel.deb
  flash-kernel-installer_2.29_armel.udeb

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flash-kernel_2.29_armel.changes ACCEPTED

2010-05-24 Thread Archive Administrator



Accepted:
flash-kernel-installer_2.29_armel.udeb
  to main/f/flash-kernel/flash-kernel-installer_2.29_armel.udeb
flash-kernel_2.29.dsc
  to main/f/flash-kernel/flash-kernel_2.29.dsc
flash-kernel_2.29.tar.gz
  to main/f/flash-kernel/flash-kernel_2.29.tar.gz
flash-kernel_2.29_armel.deb
  to main/f/flash-kernel/flash-kernel_2.29_armel.deb


Override entries for your package:
flash-kernel-installer_2.29_armel.udeb - standard debian-installer
flash-kernel_2.29.dsc - source utils
flash-kernel_2.29_armel.deb - optional utils

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Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:33:11AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

Early on in this thread [1] I've tried to identify our options, which
essentially boil down to:

1) have the non-free firmware on the (first) install media, protected
   by a BIG FAT WARNING saying that you need non-free firmware to
   proceed, but that using it: you get out of Debian, you don't have
   support, you should complain with your HW manufacturer, and that
   thousands of kittens will be killed by your choice

2) have an alternative set of installation medias (basically Debian +
   non-free firmware), shipped under a non-free section of our mirrors

My reading of this thread, assuming that it is representative, is that
(2) is preferred among developers; that is also my favorite choice.

I've then asked Steve McIntyre his opinion (thanks!), as Debian CD team
member, to understand the impact/feasibility on the media production. In
short [2]:

- it seems to be feasible
- he suggested to just do that for netinst (to avoid duplicating the
  production of all media)
- a reasonable ETA to have the work-flow for producing both sets of
  images is about 2 weeks

Sorry for the delay in responding - back from VAC now and just about
caught up. Yes, adding an extra netinst variant looks feasible and
should be doable without much extra work. I'm hoping to get this going
soon.

Another interesting proposal advanced in this thread [3] by Steve
Langasek is to create on the fly the non-free images. That would be
cool, but I think we should pose the requirement that our users are able
to download the non-free image as usual, and that the image is created
on the fly for them behind the scenes (as Steve has hinted in [3]
already). So, the point to whether this is possible or not is the
obvious one: who volunteers to work on that? I suggest that we go for
the alternate image set by default, unless someone steps up with a
working implementation of Steve idea in time for Squeeze.

I'd prefer to do the separate image route to start with, at
least. Much simpler for now... :-)

A last important point is how to advertise the non-free images on the
web. We should obviously write in the release note the change and
IMHO we should have a link to the non-free images near the download
links for the free images, visually warning that they are non-free,
pretty much as we visually warn non-free packages on packages.d.o and
similar other parts of our infrastructure.

Yup, definitely. We already have an unofficial non-free area on
cdimage.debian.org which is where we've been pushing the firmware
zip/tar.gz files already. I'll set up the extra images to be dropped
in there.

I'm guessing that we're not likely to want the extra images for all
architectures: i386/amd64/powerpc(?). Any others?

PS thanks to Kurt for having started this discussion!

Definitely!

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Bug#571201: [tasksel]: please remove swfdec-mozilla from tasksel/tasks/desktop (and change to mozilla-plugin-gnash)

2010-05-24 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

[Hideki Yamane]
  So, we also should remove swfdec-mozilla from tasksel/tasks/desktop
  and add mozilla-plugin-gnash instead. Or, just remove it since gnash
  isn't stable now (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575089).

I agree we should remove swfdec from the tasksel tasks, and believe it
is a good idea to add gnash to get more eyes to look at gnash before
Squeeze freezes.  If gnash is still leaking memory when we get closer
to Squeeze, removing it is probably a good idea. :)

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Re: Localization status for Debian Installer (May 24th update)

2010-05-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 24 May 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
 On Monday 24 May 2010, Christian PERRIER wrote:
  3 languages were complete before sibyl-installer re-addition

 Sibyl installer strings can be recovered using msgcat from an older
 version of the PO file.

Done from revision 59835 for the following languages:
M   eo.po
M   bn.po
M   be.po
M   zh_TW.po
M   he.po # One string still fuzzy; old translation was broken
M   et.po
M   sl.po
M   lt.po


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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
 On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
 This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
 is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
 
 There should also be some folks fixing the discovered issues.

 grub2 currently seems to be having 18 RC bugs, plus a whole bunch
 of merged bugs, while lilo only has 1 RC bug.  
 
 I chatted about this with the grub upstream a couple of days ago.
 According to Vladimir, most of those bugs are already fixed, but there's
 nobody around to do a new upload.  Both grub maintainers (Felix Zielke
 and Robert Millan) unexpectedly disappeared some time ago.

What about Jordi Mallach and Colin Watson?  The package page for grub-pc

   http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/grub-pc

lists them as maintainers too.  Have they disappeared as well?  Or are
they no longer maintainers for this package?  In which case their names
should be removed from the web page.

Somehow I feel a dip in motivation.

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No install guide for armel for stable

2010-05-24 Thread Martin Michlmayr
Hi Frans,

I noticed that http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ refers to the arm
install guide and release notes rather than to that of armel.  Since
are is deprecated, I wanted to change the links to armel but then I
noticed is that there's no install guide for armel for stable (the
release notes are available).  See
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armel/

Do you know why this is the case and what to do about it?

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Re: No install guide for armel for stable

2010-05-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 24 May 2010, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 I noticed that http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ refers to the arm
 install guide and release notes rather than to that of armel.  Since
 are is deprecated, I wanted to change the links to armel but then I
 noticed is that there's no install guide for armel for stable (the
 release notes are available).  See
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armel/

 Do you know why this is the case and what to do about it?

You need your memory banks overhauled ;-)

Lenny *does* still have arm. We changed the installation guide to armel 
only *after* the lenny release because arm was dropped for Squeeze.

All Lenny documentation for arm is equally valid for armel. So as discussed 
and decided previously, for stable nothing needs to (nor can be) be done 
about it.

The links on the ports page should be changed to armel conditionally using 
an 'if-stable-release' tag so that the new links get activated 
automatically at the time of the Squeeze release.


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Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 02:13:30PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 Yup, definitely. We already have an unofficial non-free area on
 cdimage.debian.org which is where we've been pushing the firmware
 zip/tar.gz files already. I'll set up the extra images to be dropped
 in there.

It would be nice if this could all be moved somewhere else
so that it gets mirrored.


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Re: No install guide for armel for stable

2010-05-24 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl [2010-05-24 16:31]:
 You need your memory banks overhauled ;-)
 
 Lenny *does* still have arm. We changed the installation guide to
 armel only *after* the lenny release because arm was dropped for
 Squeeze.
 
 All Lenny documentation for arm is equally valid for armel. So as
 discussed and decided previously, for stable nothing needs to (nor
 can be) be done about it.

I remember we talked about it (although I cannot recall all the
details).  But there is one problem with using the arm lenny docs for
both arches: the arm guide includes download links to the deprecated
arm port instead of the new armel port, and we'd like to encourage new
installations to use armel.

Is it possible to change the lenny arm guide so it points to the armel
images?

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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
 the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
 software that my employer uses.  This backup software backs up the
 master boot record and all partitions; but since the extra sectors
 used by grub-legacy and grub-pc are outside the master boot record and
 are not part of any partition, they don't get backed up.
 Consequently, if we have a hard drive failure and restore from a
 backup, we have an unbootable machine.  Lilo uses only the master boot
 record.  A lilo-booted machine can be backed up and restored with our
 existing backup software just fine.

 You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
 It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
 would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.

Thanks for the tip.  That may be an option.  I looked at the documentation
online, and there does not appear to be an option equivalent to lilo's
vga option, though, which I use a lot, especially since svgatextmode
has already been pulled from squeeze.  As of right now, if lilo was
pulled from the distribution, I think I'd be inclined to build my own
lilo package from source before switching to any other bootloader.
To the best of my knowledge, it is the *only* bootloader which supports
setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
the master boot record and outside of a partition.  If I'm wrong about
that, someone please correct me.

As for a convenient configuration system, editing a plain text
file is plenty good enough for me.  Your time is yours
to use as you see fit; but if you have the requisite skills to become
the equivalent of lilo upstream, I think there's a lot of people
who would rather that you do that, myself included.  I'd do it myself
if I had the necessary skills and knowledge.  But I don't.

Thanks again for the tip.

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Re: No install guide for armel for stable

2010-05-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 24 May 2010, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 Is it possible to change the lenny arm guide so it points to the armel
 images?

No.


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Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-24 Thread Alexander Wirt
Steve McIntyre schrieb am Monday, den 24. May 2010:

Hi, 

*snip*
  I'm guessing that we're not likely to want the extra images for all
  architectures: i386/amd64/powerpc(?). Any others?
 
 I have no idea.  I only use i386 and amd64. :)
 
 Quite. Anybody else?
I think we should also include ppc, especially for the powerbook users with a
b43. 
 
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Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 03:58:35PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:

[Steve McIntyre]
 Yup, definitely. We already have an unofficial non-free area on
 cdimage.debian.org which is where we've been pushing the firmware
 zip/tar.gz files already. I'll set up the extra images to be dropped
 in there.

A few days ago, I extended hw-detect to look for firmware (u)debs in
/firmware/ (for PXE boot images) and /cdrom/firmware/, so if you
create a CD/DVD with the firmware .deb files in a firmware/ directory
in the root of the CD, it should work out of the box.  Any license
question asked in the package preinst should be displayed, and the
firmware package will not be used if the license isn't accepted.  The
change is in the daily built d-i images already.  Please report back
if it do not work for you.

Yup, will do. :-)

 I'm guessing that we're not likely to want the extra images for all
 architectures: i386/amd64/powerpc(?). Any others?

I have no idea.  I only use i386 and amd64. :)

Quite. Anybody else?

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Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 04:43:23PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 02:13:30PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 Yup, definitely. We already have an unofficial non-free area on
 cdimage.debian.org which is where we've been pushing the firmware
 zip/tar.gz files already. I'll set up the extra images to be dropped
 in there.

It would be nice if this could all be moved somewhere else
so that it gets mirrored.

We can do that, yes, if desired. I'd probably prefer to keep it
outside of the normal release images area, but I could be persuaded
otherwise if enough people would prefer different.

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Re: Localization status for Debian Installer (May 24th update)

2010-05-24 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
 On Monday 24 May 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
  On Monday 24 May 2010, Christian PERRIER wrote:
   3 languages were complete before sibyl-installer re-addition
 
  Sibyl installer strings can be recovered using msgcat from an older
  version of the PO file.
 
 Done from revision 59835 for the following languages:

Thanks, Frans. That makes two more complete languages (Irish and Lithuanian).



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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:
 On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org (22/05/2010):
 This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
 is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
 
 There should also be some folks fixing the discovered issues.

 grub2 currently seems to be having 18 RC bugs, plus a whole bunch
 of merged bugs, while lilo only has 1 RC bug.  
 
 I chatted about this with the grub upstream a couple of days ago.
 According to Vladimir, most of those bugs are already fixed, but there's
 nobody around to do a new upload.  Both grub maintainers (Felix Zielke
 and Robert Millan) unexpectedly disappeared some time ago.

 What about Jordi Mallach and Colin Watson?

I really don't know, I just echoed what I heard on the #grub IRC
channel.  I saw articles from Colin Watson recently, so he's around, but
I don't know how he feels about Grub maintenance.
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Bug#580714: debian-installer: build installer image for Buffalo Linkstation Pro/Live

2010-05-24 Thread Ryan Tandy
On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 13:51 +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 Looks good to me.  Applied!

Great.  Thanks both Martin and Tim for your time and reviews. :)




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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Edward Allcutt

On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, it is the *only* bootloader which supports
setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
the master boot record and outside of a partition.  If I'm wrong about
that, someone please correct me.


grub2 supports loading its core.img from a dedicated partition instead
of embedding it in the first cylinder. This does require switching to
the GPT partitioning scheme which may or may not be acceptable to you.

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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:

 Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
 the master boot record [...]

 You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.

 Thanks for the tip.  That may be an option.  I looked at the documentation
 online, and there does not appear to be an option equivalent to lilo's
 vga option, though, which I use a lot, especially since svgatextmode
 has already been pulled from squeeze.

I'm not sure what you're after, I haven't used LILO for ages.  But
typing vmlinuz-2.6.32 vga=0xf07 at the pxelinux boot prompt gives me a
80x60 console.  The other variants use the same code.

 It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
 would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.

 if you have the requisite skills to become the equivalent of lilo
 upstream, I think there's a lot of people who would rather that you do
 that, myself included.

Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself.  If there's anything
which only LILO can do, I recommend you start complaining on the
Syslinux and the Grub mailing lists.  I suppose it will be heard.
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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT), Edward Allcutt wrote:
 On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
 To the best of my knowledge, lilo is the *only* bootloader which supports
 setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
 the master boot record and outside of a partition.  If I'm wrong about
 that, someone please correct me.
 
 grub2 supports loading its core.img from a dedicated partition instead
 of embedding it in the first cylinder. This does require switching to
 the GPT partitioning scheme which may or may not be acceptable to you.

No, the backup software assumes the traditional MS-DOS hard disk partitioning
scheme.  One can get around this by requiring an image backup, but that
has three substantial drawbacks: (1) The entire disk, including free space
and extended partition free space, must be backed up.  This takes a lot
more time.  (2) A restore can only be done to a disk of the exact same
size as the one backed up.  Often, a larger disk must be used because the
model that failed is no longer available on the market.  (3) The need
for special backup requirements will be used by the opponents of Linux at
my place of employment to oppose further deployments of Linux, which I wish
to avoid at all costs.  But thanks for the info anyway.

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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
 It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
 would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.

sometime ago i've added extliux-install and update-extlinux. if fits my
setups well, however, any other/better ideas how to improve it are very
welcome, see #573042 for more information.

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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
 On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
 Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
 the master boot record [...]

 You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.

 Thanks for the tip.  That may be an option.  I looked at the documentation
 online, and there does not appear to be an option equivalent to lilo's
 vga option, though, which I use a lot, especially since svgatextmode
 has already been pulled from squeeze.
 
 I'm not sure what you're after, I haven't used LILO for ages.  But
 typing vmlinuz-2.6.32 vga=0xf07 at the pxelinux boot prompt gives me a
 80x60 console.  The other variants use the same code.

Interesting.  At one point, the kernel itself had de-supported the
vga boot option, relying on the boot loader to set the video mode
before transferring control to the kernel.  And now you're saying
it's back.  Hmm.  According to Documentation/svga.txt in the kernel
source tree:

   This small document describes the Video Mode Selection feature which
   allows the use of various special video modes supported by the video BIOS.
   Due to usage of the BIOS, the selection is limited to boot time (before
   the kernel decompression starts) and works only on 80X86 machines.

Note the wording before the kernel decompression starts.  That to me
implies done by the bootloader, because the bootloader decompresses
the kernel (if it is compressed) before transferring control to it,
does it not?

The vga option is a separate option in lilo.  You can't include it in
the append variable without lilo generating an error.  You've got my
curiosity up now.  I'll have to try this.  I do have a spare computer
with which to test.  I'm going to have to try installing Squeeze using
extlinux as the boot loader.  (No doubt I'll have to change bootloaders
after installation, as the Debian Installer won't offer that option.)
Then I'll see if I can pass it the vga option and have it work.  And
if that works, then I'll try the backup, nuke, and restore scenario.
And if that works, then I may have a viable alternative to lilo.
I'll let you know how it goes.

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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
 On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
 Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:
 Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
 the master boot record [...]

 You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.

 Thanks for the tip.  That may be an option.  I looked at the documentation
 online, and there does not appear to be an option equivalent to lilo's
 vga option, though, which I use a lot, especially since svgatextmode
 has already been pulled from squeeze.
 
 I'm not sure what you're after, I haven't used LILO for ages.  But
 typing vmlinuz-2.6.32 vga=0xf07 at the pxelinux boot prompt gives me a
 80x60 console.  The other variants use the same code.

 Interesting.  At one point, the kernel itself had de-supported the
 vga boot option, relying on the boot loader to set the video mode
 before transferring control to the kernel.  And now you're saying
 it's back.  Hmm.  According to Documentation/svga.txt in the kernel
 source tree:

This small document describes the Video Mode Selection feature which
allows the use of various special video modes supported by the video BIOS.
Due to usage of the BIOS, the selection is limited to boot time (before
the kernel decompression starts) and works only on 80X86 machines.

 Note the wording before the kernel decompression starts.  That to me
 implies done by the bootloader, because the bootloader decompresses
 the kernel (if it is compressed) before transferring control to it,
 does it not?

It does not, the kernel is sort of a self-decompressing binary.
However, the vga= parameter is indeed parsed by the bootloader and
passed to the kernel by a special protocol.  It's then used before the
kernel parses its command line.

 I'm going to have to try installing Squeeze using extlinux as the boot
 loader.  (No doubt I'll have to change bootloaders after installation,
 as the Debian Installer won't offer that option.)

Yes, you'll have to back out of Grub installation, start a shell, chroot
into /target, and install exlinux.  Take care to have /boot on an ext2
partition.
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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Daniel Baumann dan...@debian.org writes:

 On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:

 You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
 It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
 would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.

 sometime ago i've added extliux-install and update-extlinux. if fits my
 setups well, however, any other/better ideas how to improve it are very
 welcome, see #573042 for more information.

Heh, yes, that's me again. :)  I got distracted, but didn't give up work
on this.  Now I'm nosing around the current Grub2 method for ideas.
Meanwhile, the unconditional destroying of extlinux.conf on update gave
me the grief again. :-/
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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 23 mai 2010 à 20:48 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit : 
 I do understand why a Debian package maintainer does not wish to become
 upstream.  And I hope that someone who is both willing and able to do
 so steps up to the plate.  But withdrawing it from the distribution seems
 like overkill to me, especially since you want to withdraw it from Squeeze
 and not Squeeze+1.  Lilo, as it exists today, works just fine for my
 purposes.  And apparently it works just fine for a lot of other people too.

Debian stable releases are not here to serve as a repository for
orphaned packages. We are supposed to keep them in shape for the
lifetime of the release.

 The Lord bless you, William.

May His noodly appendage touch you.

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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 24 mai 2010 à 20:46 +0200, Daniel Baumann a écrit : 
 On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
  You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
  It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
  would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
 
 sometime ago i've added extliux-install and update-extlinux. if fits my
 setups well, however, any other/better ideas how to improve it are very
 welcome, see #573042 for more information.

Could this also be eventually added as an alternative to grub2 in the
installer?

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Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, please test grub2)

2010-05-24 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/24/2010 10:07 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Could this also be eventually added as an alternative to grub2 in the
 installer?

i've talked with otavio about this already a year ago, as i'm much in
favour[0] of extlinux over grub2 anyway, but i didn't got arround to
finally push it. if anyone has time before debconf/debcamp, that would
be great. otherwise, i hope to have a look together with otavio at
debconf/debcamp (if he accepts my bribes with chocolate :).

[0]
http://blog.daniel-baumann.ch/2009/11/30#20091130_extlinux-as-alternative-bootloader

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