Re: Debian installer build: failed or old builds
Quoting Miguel Figueiredo (el...@debianpt.org): i386 failing with: cp: cannot stat `/org/cdbuilder.debian.org/src/deb-cd/d-i/d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/cdrom/initrd.gz': No such file or directory FAILED: error 1 Failed to start disc 1, error 256 make: *** [image-trees] Error 9 I assume this is #657560 in apt, where Didier Rabourd raised the severity because it affects D-I builds signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#630575: Icelandic Dvorak keyboard layout isn't there either
I must say I find this annoying as well, the Icelandic Dvorak Keyboard layout is also missing, so my installation of Debian always goes like this: 1. I choose Dvorak 2. I can't type my real name when I create a user, I type whatever instead 3. I'm limited in the passwords I can pick Then after installation I have to go and manually adjust these settings once I have the keyboard layout I want. I hadn't bothered with looking into whether this was a debian-installer bug before, I just assumed that it was an issue in the layout not being available. I think a much better way to deal with this would be to have a way to collapse these options. So when you select e.g. Norwegian you get a second dialog where you can select the keyboard type, i.e. standard, dvorak etc. Or just list them all, the region and language dialog in GNOME does so and users don't get too confused by that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacbzzx7v0-vwmjg78gpfr86aqtp5isiw_yrdp-vs3gpjr7e...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#662626: The keyboard layout selection should be the very first option in d-i
Package: debian-installer Severity: wishlist Tags: d-i I use Dvorak and every time I install Debian I have to hunt down keys on a completely different layout in order to complete the region etc. settings. Since a keyboard is a prerequisite to operate the rest of the installer the very first question it should ask is which keyboard layout you'd like. -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (900, 'testing'), (800, 'unstable'), (700, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 3.1.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_US.utf8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120305114130.32224.60146.report...@w.nix.is
Bug#630575: Icelandic Dvorak keyboard layout isn't there either
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, le Mon 05 Mar 2012 12:36:40 +0100, a écrit : I must say I find this annoying as well, the Icelandic Dvorak Keyboard layout is also missing, so my installation of Debian always goes like this: 1. I choose Dvorak Why not just choosing Icelandic? (which is already selected by default) 2. I can't type my real name when I create a user, I type whatever instead 3. I'm limited in the passwords I can pick You'd then be able to type your real name and not be limited. I hadn't bothered with looking into whether this was a debian-installer bug before, I just assumed that it was an issue in the layout not being available. As said in first answer to the bug, this is on purpose, to avoid a profusion of choices in the list of keymaps, to keep installing Debian as simple as possible. We assume that people who know dvorak also know the traditional layout and will be able to change the layout afterwards by dpkg-reconfigure-ing keyboard-configuration. I think a much better way to deal with this would be to have a way to collapse these options. So when you select e.g. Norwegian you get a second dialog where you can select the keyboard type, i.e. standard, dvorak etc. Which was precisely rejected because it'd confuse users which don't know what dvorak is. Or just list them all, the region and language dialog in GNOME does so and users don't get too confused by that. Experience showed they do. And that would carry a lot of translations, making d-i bigger and unusable in small platforms. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120305115551.gn4...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Bug#662626: The keyboard layout selection should be the very first option in d-i
Debian bug at v.nix.is, le Mon 05 Mar 2012 11:41:30 +, a écrit : I use Dvorak and every time I install Debian I have to hunt down keys on a completely different layout in order to complete the region etc. settings. For which question do you need something else than just arrow keys and enter? I even tried to select icelandic in expert mode, and didn't need to type anything before I got to the layout question. Since a keyboard is a prerequisite to operate the rest of the installer the very first question it should ask is which keyboard layout you'd like. We believe it is already soon enough: after language/country selection so as to pre-select a good default, and before everything else. If it's not for some reason, please be more specific as to where you encountered an actual issue. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120305115954.go4...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
partman-nbd 0.8 MIGRATED to testing
FYI: The status of the partman-nbd source package in Debian's testing distribution has changed. Previous version: 0.7 Current version: 0.8 -- This email is automatically generated once a day. As the installation of new packages into testing happens multiple times a day you will receive later changes on the next day. See http://release.debian.org/testing-watch/ for more information. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1s4awm-0006ep...@franck.debian.org
Bug#630575: Icelandic Dvorak keyboard layout isn't there either
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:55, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, le Mon 05 Mar 2012 12:36:40 +0100, a écrit : I must say I find this annoying as well, the Icelandic Dvorak Keyboard layout is also missing, so my installation of Debian always goes like this: 1. I choose Dvorak Why not just choosing Icelandic? (which is already selected by default) 2. I can't type my real name when I create a user, I type whatever instead 3. I'm limited in the passwords I can pick You'd then be able to type your real name and not be limited. Because that's Icelandic *qwerty*. Which is completely different than Icelandic Dvorak. If I picked that it would take me 2-3x as long to install the system since every time I wanted to type something I'd have to hunt-and-peck type instead of touch-type. To see what that's like, if you happen to use QWERTY, try installing the system with a Dvorak keyboard. I hadn't bothered with looking into whether this was a debian-installer bug before, I just assumed that it was an issue in the layout not being available. As said in first answer to the bug, this is on purpose, to avoid a profusion of choices in the list of keymaps, to keep installing Debian as simple as possible. We assume that people who know dvorak also know the traditional layout and will be able to change the layout afterwards by dpkg-reconfigure-ing keyboard-configuration. I think a much better way to deal with this would be to have a way to collapse these options. So when you select e.g. Norwegian you get a second dialog where you can select the keyboard type, i.e. standard, dvorak etc. Which was precisely rejected because it'd confuse users which don't know what dvorak is. Or just list them all, the region and language dialog in GNOME does so and users don't get too confused by that. Experience showed they do. And that would carry a lot of translations, making d-i bigger and unusable in small platforms. This bug is really not about Dvorak, but about the d-i offering only an arbitrary subset of the keyboard layout that a full Debian system offers. E.g. it doesn't offer Colemak at all either which means that anyone used to that layout would also have a really hard time installing the system, even if they didn't need to type non-ASCII characters. Anyway, you seem to be making several distinct points here: 1. That this couldn't be made to work from a UI point of view. I don't think this is true at all. The Ubuntu installer, which I find much simpler than Debian's (even though I prefer Debian when it comes to the end result) allows you to select all the keyboard layouts you get on post-installation. Here's Debian's: CLI: http://i.imgur.com/zPSvv.png GUI: http://i.imgur.com/TjoYU.png And Ubuntu's: http://i.imgur.com/CCsCw.png Ubuntu just selects the most common option, but allows you to change it if you want to. The d-i could do the same thing with another dialog box. Even if all of this was hidden under some top-level Other box users such as myself would be able to select it. This is exactly how the timezone dialog works already, there's a *lot* of timezones, and the d-i manages that complexity without excluding some rare timezones and having users update /etc/timezone after installation. 2. That the translations would get bigger I very much doubt that, especially since most of the translations of the descriptions are basically all repetitions, i.e. $language_name ($variant). But if that were true having it untranslated under some optional menu would still allow the user to select it. 3. That some experience has showed that the Region Language dialog in GNOME is too complex, what experience exactly? Anyway, I'm not very interested in winning some argument about this on a bug tracker. The reason I commented here was that I was going to patch the d-i to allow me to select arbitrary keyboard layouts, but I noticed this bug, and I'm not interested in spending time on it if it's just going to get Wontfix'd. Dealing with this is a PITA for me when I install Debian, but having to maintain a fork of the d-i and create custom CD images from it would be an even bigger PITA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacbzzx6jtqrxiw9ecenk7-ct4ii6ez71ajsujftcm_jlwrk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Planning for final lenny point release (5.0.10)
On Sat, Mar 03, 2012 at 12:29:58PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On 29.02.2012 17:20, dann frazier wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 01:20:32PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: Feel free to go ahead with the kernel upload, so we can get it chucked at the buildds. [...] Ack. Unfortunately, the powerpc build died: CC [M] arch/powerpc/oprofile/op_model_power4.o arch/powerpc/oprofile/op_model_power4.c: In function 'pmc_overflow': arch/powerpc/oprofile/op_model_power4.c:273: error: 'PV_POWER7' undeclared (first use in this function) arch/powerpc/oprofile/op_model_power4.c:273: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once arch/powerpc/oprofile/op_model_power4.c:273: error: for each function it appears in.) make[4]: *** [arch/powerpc/oprofile/op_model_power4.o] Error 1 This appears to be a consequence of the patch for CVE-2011- 4347 (URL:http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/lenny-security/linux-2.6/debian/patches/bugfix/powerpc/oprofile-handle-events-that-raise-an-exception-without-overflowing.patch?view=markuppathrev=18552). I reuploaded w/o that patch - that fix was POWER7 specific, and it looks like POWER7 support wasn't supported in the lenny timeframe anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120305013106.ga8...@dannf.org
Re: Planning for final lenny point release (5.0.10)
On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 06:31:06PM -0700, dann frazier wrote: I reuploaded w/o that patch - that fix was POWER7 specific, and it looks like POWER7 support wasn't supported in the lenny timeframe anyway. POWER7 only really got added to the installer in 6.0.4 (not even 6.0) so, seems perfectly safe to assume that for 5.0.10. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120305180943.gd14...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
RFC: auto-load of D-I drivers in GNU/kFreeBSD
Hi, Here's my proposed plan for auto-load of kFreeBSD drivers in D-I environment. Currently this involves USB modules only (for now, non-USB drivers for network and storage are built into kernel): 1- Add libstdc++6-udeb package (needed by devd). 2- Add devd-udeb package. 3- Start devd in src/sbin/init-kfreebsd (rather than /lib/debian-installer-startup.d, since we need to provide USB serial devices before init, as per #493865). 4- Add build/pkg-lists/devd file to debian-installer package (akin to build/pkg-lists/udev). Comments? -- Robert Millan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOfDtXPAX6=JuaoXTOepfsPNoX6-=wkx-q_dq26tkvb5d9x...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#630575: Icelandic Dvorak keyboard layout isn't there either
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, le Mon 05 Mar 2012 18:34:47 +0100, a écrit : On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:55, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, le Mon 05 Mar 2012 12:36:40 +0100, a écrit : I must say I find this annoying as well, the Icelandic Dvorak Keyboard layout is also missing, so my installation of Debian always goes like this: 1. I choose Dvorak Why not just choosing Icelandic? (which is already selected by default) 2. I can't type my real name when I create a user, I type whatever instead 3. I'm limited in the passwords I can pick You'd then be able to type your real name and not be limited. Because that's Icelandic *qwerty*. Which is completely different than Icelandic Dvorak. It is understood that it's completely different, just like all dvorak layouts. If I picked that it would take me 2-3x as long to install the system since every time I wanted to type something I'd have to hunt-and-peck type instead of touch-type. That much? The d-i team assumed that anybody who knows a dvorak layout would know the traditional layout too, even if a bit less trained to it. To see what that's like, if you happen to use QWERTY, try installing the system with a Dvorak keyboard. Which to our knowledge is far from comparable: there are way less dvorak keyboards on sale than qwerty keyboards. In the common shops in the countries I have visited, it's a 0 ratio. Experience showed they do. And that would carry a lot of translations, making d-i bigger and unusable in small platforms. This bug is really not about Dvorak, but about the d-i offering only an arbitrary subset of the keyboard layout that a full Debian system offers. Which is on purpose. As has been discussed at lengths on debian-boot, in a lot of cases showing all the choices is really just spurious. For the french layout for instance, there is a dozen variants, from which the average user will have no idea what to choose, while the standard one will just fit anybody who ever worked with any french keyboards. The subset is definitely *not* completely arbitrary, it is a careful selection. For cases that do matter, d-i does include the variants which can be useful, and only those that are known to be well-known in the area, e.g. Kurdish and Turkish F vs Q layout, or bulgarian phonetic layout. If the dvorak layout is really so much spread in Iceland that people really miss the choice, then it can be proposed for addition, but the debian-boot discussions ended up on not providing dvorak layouts, and the (US) Dvorak choice currently proposed is actually questioned. E.g. it doesn't offer Colemak at all either which means that anyone used to that layout would also have a really hard time installing the system, even if they didn't need to type non-ASCII characters. Same answer as above: we believe that people who know Colemak are able to type with qwerty. 1. That this couldn't be made to work from a UI point of view. I don't think this is true at all. The Ubuntu installer, which I find much simpler than Debian's (even though I prefer Debian when it comes to the end result) allows you to select all the keyboard layouts you get on post-installation. Here's Debian's: CLI: http://i.imgur.com/zPSvv.png GUI: http://i.imgur.com/TjoYU.png And Ubuntu's: http://i.imgur.com/CCsCw.png Ubuntu just selects the most common option, but allows you to change it if you want to. The d-i could do the same thing with another dialog box. Which is precisely what was initially done, and was rejected because there are a lot of just useless choices for a mere installation. Even if all of this was hidden under some top-level Other box users such as myself would be able to select it. That brings down to to point 2. This is exactly how the timezone dialog works already, there's a *lot* of timezones, and the d-i manages that complexity without excluding some rare timezones and having users update /etc/timezone after installation. Yes, because the user will usually know what to answer. In the case of keyboard layouts, they often don't. See the monster Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long] thread, starting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2009/06/msg00759.html 2. That the translations would get bigger I very much doubt that, Never doubt before seeing numbers. xkb-data's 39 .mo files amount to 2.2MiB (about 56KiB each). The translation of the d-i answers amounts to about 5KiB for each translation, ending up with about 2MiB saving, which is huge by d-i standards. BTW, dropping the actual non-standard layouts also brings pc105.ekmap from 1MiB down to 300KiB. Again a precious saving for d-i. especially since most of the translations of the descriptions are basically all repetitions, i.e. $language_name ($variant). Yes, that compresses well, but still.
Debian installer build: failed or old builds
Debian installer build overview --- Failed or old builds: * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 06 00:04 buildd@barber build_cdrom_isolinux http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/build_cdrom_isolinux.log * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 06 00:05 buildd@barber build_cdrom_gtk http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/build_cdrom_gtk.log * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 06 00:06 buildd@barber build_cdrom-xen http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/build_cdrom-xen.log * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 06 00:12 buildd@barber build_hd-media http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/build_hd-media.log * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 06 00:13 buildd@barber build_hd-media_gtk http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/build_hd-media_gtk.log * FAILED BUILD: i386 Mar 06 00:03 buildd@biber build_cdrom_isolinux http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/build_cdrom_isolinux.log * FAILED BUILD: i386 Mar 06 00:04 buildd@biber build_cdrom_gtk http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/build_cdrom_gtk.log * FAILED BUILD: i386 Mar 06 00:05 buildd@biber build_cdrom-xen http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/build_cdrom-xen.log * FAILED BUILD: i386 Mar 06 00:12 buildd@biber build_hd-media http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/build_hd-media.log * FAILED BUILD: i386 Mar 06 00:13 buildd@biber build_hd-media_gtk http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/build_hd-media_gtk.log * OLD BUILD:ia64 Mar 03 00:13 buildd@alkman build_cdrom http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/ia64/daily/build_cdrom.log * FAILED BUILD: ia64 bMar 03 00:13/b buildd@alkman build_cdrom http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/ia64/daily/build_cdrom.log * OLD BUILD:ia64 Mar 03 00:14 buildd@alkman build_netboot http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/ia64/daily/build_netboot.log * FAILED BUILD: ia64 bMar 03 00:14/b buildd@alkman build_netboot http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/ia64/daily/build_netboot.log * FAILED BUILD: mipsel Mar 06 00:08 buildd@rem build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_serial http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_serial.log * FAILED BUILD: mipsel Mar 06 00:09 buildd@rem build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_ssh http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_ssh.log * FAILED BUILD: mipsel Mar 06 00:09 buildd@rem build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_common http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_common.log * FAILED BUILD: mipsel Mar 06 00:10 buildd@rem build_malta_netboot-2.6 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_malta_netboot-2.6.log * FAILED BUILD: mipsel Mar 06 00:11 buildd@rem build_sb1-bcm91250a_netboot-2.6 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_sb1-bcm91250a_netboot-2.6.log * FAILED BUILD: mipsel Mar 06 00:11 buildd@rem build_loongson-2f_netboot-2.6 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_loongson-2f_netboot-2.6.log * FAILED BUILD: powerpc Mar 06 00:05 buildd@praetorius build_powerpc_cdrom http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/powerpc/daily/build_powerpc_cdrom.log * FAILED BUILD: powerpc Mar 06 00:09 buildd@praetorius build_powerpc_hd-media http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/powerpc/daily/build_powerpc_hd-media.log * FAILED BUILD: powerpc Mar 06 00:10 buildd@praetorius build_powerpc64_cdrom http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/powerpc/daily/build_powerpc64_cdrom.log * FAILED BUILD: sparc Mar 06 00:07 buildd@sompek build_cdrom http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/sparc/daily/build_cdrom.log * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:30 debian-cd@pettersson Cwheezyamd64 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/Cwheezyamd64 * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:30 debian-cd@pettersson Csidamd64 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/Csidamd64 * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:30 debian-cd@pettersson 1sidamd64 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/1sidamd64 * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:30 debian-cd@pettersson 2sidamd64 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/2sidamd64 * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:33 debian-cd@pettersson Cwheezyi386 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/Cwheezyi386 * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:33 debian-cd@pettersson Csidi386 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/Csidi386 * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:33 debian-cd@pettersson 1sidi386 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/1sidi386 * FAILED BUILD: amd64 Mar 05 22:34 debian-cd@pettersson 2sidi386 http://cdbuilder.debian.org/cdimage-log/2sidi386 * FAILED BUILD:
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