Debian Installer 7.0 Alpha1 release
Hello. What about grub2 in bios, efi-x86 and efi-x86_64 modes in wheezy installer? I am using wheezy with grub2 efi-x86_64 now and I have no problems with it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fb2119c.9020...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're using a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the download time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of what a CD would give. In the UK at least, the price of a CD-R and a DVD+R is approximately the same, although CD-Rs are becoming rarer in brick-and-mortar shops. I still attempt to use CD-R media when burning install discs, but that's only if I happen to have some (and I don't mind the wasted space burning netinst to a 700M CD-R). I think what I'm saying is I agree with you for my use-cases at least. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515092100.GD24635@debian
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ] Adam Borowski wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:04:16PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hey folks, Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of supporting the following single-CD installations: * Gnome desktop from CD#1 * KDE desktop from KDE CD#1 At this point, I'm skeptical that either of the first two are going to work acceptably with Wheezy. There is an easy solution: switch binary packages to xz compression. amd64's CD 1 is reduced to 2/3 of its current size (data from June(?) 2010). OK. That'll help in the short term, I guess. But I've no idea how long it will take for package builds to make a dent on this organically (i.e. without a deliberate rebuild effort). I'm expecting that we'll still struggle to get a *good* Gnome or KDE installation from a single CD regardless. We've managed a minimal set in the past, but I'd rather we give a good impression with a basic Debian installation than come up with something that *only* just fits. Related, I'm also pondering about: 1. Which installer images it makes sense to provide for wheezy We currently provide a huge set of different images: * business card and netinst images for (almost) all architectures, in both iso and jigdo formats * a full set of normal CDs for all arches: + all as iso and jigdo for amd64, i386 and source + some as iso and jigdo for other arches, with the remaining as jigdo only * two extra CDs for all arches (KDE and light) in both iso and jigdo formats * a full set of DVDs for all arches: + all as iso and jigdo for amd64, i386 and source + #1 as iso and jigdo for other arches, with the remaining as jigdo only * a full set of BDs and D-L BDs for amd64, i386 and source: + all as jigdo only The current wheezy d-i alpha release gives an idea for how big Debian is getting here - there are 71 CDs in the full amd64 set (!), or 10 DVDs. It's very tempting to switch amd64, i386 and source to the same partial-iso state as the other arches. 2. USB-targeted images I've also tweaked DVD#1 of each set to fit in 4GB instead of the normal 4.7GB, so that it fits on a 4GB USB stick to make it more useful. We could quite readily produce (say) 2GB images specifically designed for smaller USB sticks if enough people consider that to be useful. I'm thinking that would be a specific single extra image. Thoughts? 3. Which installer image(s) should we link to as preferred? We're currently linking to the multi-arch amd64/i386 netinst CD from the front of www.debian.org. I think that's still a good choice, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. 4. What to do with s390(x) I'm about to ask this on their mailing list... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com You can't barbecue lettuce! -- Ellie Crane -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1suh0w-0002sc...@mail.einval.com
Bug#673025: Debian 7 Alpha Install reports
Package: installation-reports Boot method: CD net install Image version: Date: 14/05/2012 1400 Machine: Home built Asus 945 board with SATA, Nvidia graphics Processor:Intel P4 3.2Ghz Memory:1GB Partitions: All on 1 partition Base System Installation Checklist: [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it Initial boot: [OK] Detect network card:[OK] Configure network: [OK] Detect CD: [OK] Load installer modules: [OK] Detect hard drives: [OK] Partition hard drives: [ ] Install base system:[OK] Clock/timezone setup: [OK] User/password setup: OK] Install tasks: [OK] Install boot loader:[OK] Overall install:[OK] Comments/Problems:None really for a novice user Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments and ideas you had during the initial install. This PC used for numerous non windows installs. Settled on Debian 6 as very stable. Ubuntu 12.04 is not! Tried Debian 7 alpha everything worked. Use Gnome Classic ...do not like later one. Synaptic package Manager installed Chromium,Icedove ( I use Thunderbird). Kept libreoffice. Will try photo editing printing next./*I now have an everyday set up which works*./ Assume that I will have to install fresh the beta release ediitions when they come out. Many congrats on your work...John Northall (UK)
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes: And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images. You also need to have root access to some machine to create the USB media. This means you can't create the installation media at most university or library machines unlike with CDs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/84ehqlzf8u@sauna.l.org
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Wookey wrote: And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images. I thought HD-media was a thing of the past with the newish isohybrid stuff where you just cat the ISO to the device? Pretty sure thats what I did for the last install I did. Fedora/RH folks recently added more hacks to isohybrid to support booting on Macs: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6hn1vwgl9164yc+uvcavglygltf2n9gj+ophp8jvky...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
+++ Steve McIntyre [2012-05-15 13:38 +0100]: [ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ] 2. USB-targeted images I've also tweaked DVD#1 of each set to fit in 4GB instead of the normal 4.7GB, so that it fits on a 4GB USB stick to make it more useful. We could quite readily produce (say) 2GB images specifically designed for smaller USB sticks if enough people consider that to be useful. I'm thinking that would be a specific single extra image. Thoughts? I have always installed from USB stick (or SD card) on everything for the last several years. It must be 4 years since I used a CD or DVD. Especially on dev boards (x86 or arm) that is usually the only medium slot you have. I assume this is common. And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images. Only last night I tried to install current testing to an intel dev board. I tried using unetbootin which is a great way of making the USB-key install process less cryptic, but for some reason it failed to get unstable images, and could only manage testing ones. (I'll check that and file a bug tonight). I think we could usefully focus on making the USB-stick/MMC card experience simple as that covers an awful lot of modern use-cases. It currently feels like a bit of a 'poor relation'. That might mean recommending the use of Unetbootin (and making sure it works), or providing complete say 2G and 4G images and some simple way of burning them. Maybe a 'debianised' version of unetbootin that just provides debian images and hides most of the gory details, but will help stop you shooting yourself in the foot? It looks to me like we have all the parts for that, it's just the emphasis needs changing, or maybe even just the docs updating (I may not be doing this the easiest way - it's not totally obvious from the debian download page what to do - AIUI you have to read the install docs, and understand to download the hd-media files (either the image gzip or the files) and an iso from somewhere else and put it all on the stick.) 3. Which installer image(s) should we link to as preferred? We're currently linking to the multi-arch amd64/i386 netinst CD from the front of www.debian.org. I think that's still a good choice, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. add a netinst USB image would be a good thing IMHO. Along with the equivalent tool to a CDburner to make it painless. Maybe even make netinst USB sticks the default over CDs? And try to hide the 'hd-media' name at least in initial download selection, because it is geek-accurate, but rather confusing to a newcomer. Wookey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515142459.gf11...@stoneboat.aleph1.co.uk
Tracker for debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-DVD-1.iso?
Hello! Last night I downloaded the Debian Installer 7.0 Alpha1 DVD via http, after being unable to download it via BitTorrent. Upon completing the download, I tried to seed the iso, but KTorrent was unable to contact a tracker. Is this a known issue? I'm feeling somewhat eager to use a little of my broadband account usage to take a bit of a load off Debian's servers. ;) Cheers, Jordan -- Be a government informer. Betray your family and friends. Fabulous prizes to be won! -- Spacedone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cadnyaufhx7v+ptbi2o68borf4s0muigi-rtm4z9-6prcydo...@mail.gmail.com
[d-i alpha1 I18N] Untranslated menu entry regarding speech synthesizer
Hello, I noticed that in the main menu the entry Configure the speech synthesizer voice is always in english, no matter what language I choose. Searching the string in the po files for the installer - it's not there! Was it not marked as translatable? Could that be fixed for the next release (most likely in the sublevel 6)? Holger -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Powered by Sylpheed 3.0.2 under Debian GNU/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\6.0 / Squeeze. Registered LinuxUser #311290 - http://counter.li.org/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515175920.ce2a84eb.li...@wansing-online.de
Re: [d-i alpha1 I18N] Untranslated menu entry regarding speech synthesizer
Holger Wansing, le Tue 15 May 2012 17:59:20 +0200, a écrit : I noticed that in the main menu the entry Configure the speech synthesizer voice is always in english, no matter what language I choose. Searching the string in the po files for the installer - it's not there! Was it not marked as translatable? It was and it is translated in 27 languages already, but I guess I missed something that needs to be done to get them fed into d-i? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515160646.gb4...@type.u-bordeaux.fr
Re: Tracker for debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-DVD-1.iso?
j.clar...@student.unimelb.edu.au wrote: Hello! Last night I downloaded the Debian Installer 7.0 Alpha1 DVD via http, after being unable to download it via BitTorrent. Upon completing the download, I tried to seed the iso, but KTorrent was unable to contact a tracker. Is this a known issue? I'm feeling somewhat eager to use a little of my broadband account usage to take a bit of a load off Debian's servers. ;) We don't normally offer bittorrent downloads for the alpha / beta images, as they're a little too volatile to really be worth it. I've just removed the non-functional torrent files to avoid confusion. They were auto-generated as part of the build and I forgot about them, sorry... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com You can't barbecue lettuce! -- Ellie Crane -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1sukki-0007xx...@mail.einval.com
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images. I thought HD-media was a thing of the past with the newish isohybrid stuff where you just cat the ISO to the device? Pretty sure thats what I did for the last install I did. Same here. My last install with an USB stick (2 months ago) must have been as easy as dd'ing or cat'ing the ISO to a device since I don't remember any details or even problems, and I'm quite sure I didn't hunt down any additional files or used any non-standard tools. (I think it was a testing image from February or something similar, in case they are different Ah, I still have it, debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso, downloaded on March 4th.) Cheers, gregor -- .''`. Homepage: http://info.comodo.priv.at/ - OpenPGP key 0xBB3A68018649AA06 : :' : Debian GNU/Linux user, admin, and developer - http://www.debian.org/ `. `' Member of VIBE!AT SPI, fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: David Bowie: Fashion signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [d-i alpha1 I18N] Untranslated menu entry regarding speech synthesizer
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org (15/05/2012): It was and it is translated in 27 languages already, but I guess I missed something that needs to be done to get them fed into d-i? Need to be sync'd into svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk/packages/po I think? Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:13:24PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images. I thought HD-media was a thing of the past with the newish isohybrid stuff where you just cat the ISO to the device? Pretty sure thats what I did for the last install I did. Same here. My last install with an USB stick (2 months ago) must have been as easy as dd'ing or cat'ing the ISO to a device since I don't remember any details or even problems, and I'm quite sure I didn't hunt down any additional files or used any non-standard tools. (I think it was a testing image from February or something similar, in case they are different Ah, I still have it, debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso, downloaded on March 4th.) Just checking with wookey on irc, he downloaded the image and read the instructions (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) but skipped straight past section 4.3.1. Looks like we could do with a big clear message DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS to make it more obvious. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Armed with Valor: Centurion represents quality of Discipline, Honor, Integrity and Loyalty. Now you don't have to be a Caesar to concord the digital world while feeling safe and proud. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515162306.gc2...@einval.com
Bug#673025: Debian 7 Alpha Install reports
Quoting John Northall (j.north...@talktalk.net): Package: installation-reports Boot method: CD net install Image version: Date: 14/05/2012 1400 Machine: Home built Asus 945 board with SATA, Nvidia graphics Processor:Intel P4 3.2Ghz Memory:1GB Partitions: All on 1 partition Given that your installation was a complete success, I do as usual with reports for successful installations: I close the bug..:-) This does not of course mean you weren't right to report. Knowing the installations are correct is important for the d-i team. Many thanks for your time testing the Debian Installer and reporting your results. Have fun with your new Debian system! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#673025: marked as done (Debian 7 Alpha Install reports)
Your message dated Tue, 15 May 2012 18:22:55 +0200 with message-id 20120515162255.gi4...@mykerinos.kheops.frmug.org and subject line Re: Bug#673025: Debian 7 Alpha Install reports has caused the Debian Bug report #673025, regarding Debian 7 Alpha Install reports to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what this message is talking about, this may indicate a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact ow...@bugs.debian.org immediately.) -- 673025: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673025 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems ---BeginMessage--- Package: installation-reports Boot method: CD net install Image version: Date: 14/05/2012 1400 Machine: Home built Asus 945 board with SATA, Nvidia graphics Processor:Intel P4 3.2Ghz Memory:1GB Partitions: All on 1 partition Base System Installation Checklist: [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it Initial boot: [OK] Detect network card:[OK] Configure network: [OK] Detect CD: [OK] Load installer modules: [OK] Detect hard drives: [OK] Partition hard drives: [ ] Install base system:[OK] Clock/timezone setup: [OK] User/password setup: OK] Install tasks: [OK] Install boot loader:[OK] Overall install:[OK] Comments/Problems:None really for a novice user Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments and ideas you had during the initial install. This PC used for numerous non windows installs. Settled on Debian 6 as very stable. Ubuntu 12.04 is not! Tried Debian 7 alpha everything worked. Use Gnome Classic ...do not like later one. Synaptic package Manager installed Chromium,Icedove ( I use Thunderbird). Kept libreoffice. Will try photo editing printing next./*I now have an everyday set up which works*./ Assume that I will have to install fresh the beta release ediitions when they come out. Many congrats on your work...John Northall (UK) ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Quoting John Northall (j.north...@talktalk.net): Package: installation-reports Boot method: CD net install Image version: Date: 14/05/2012 1400 Machine: Home built Asus 945 board with SATA, Nvidia graphics Processor:Intel P4 3.2Ghz Memory:1GB Partitions: All on 1 partition Given that your installation was a complete success, I do as usual with reports for successful installations: I close the bug..:-) This does not of course mean you weren't right to report. Knowing the installations are correct is important for the d-i team. Many thanks for your time testing the Debian Installer and reporting your results. Have fun with your new Debian system! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ---End Message---
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
Hi, Fedora/RH folks recently added more hacks to isohybrid to support booting on Macs: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html This is achieved by applying ISOLINUX program isohybrid from a recent ISOLINYX version to the already produced ISO images. syslinux-4.05 should probably do. It is a daring mix of MBR, Apple Partition Map, GPT, and El Torito. It seems to be specific to i386 and amd54 architectures. You need to provide a VFAT image for EFI, and a HFS+ image for Mac. I have meanwhile documented it on byte level in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libburnia-team/libisofs/scdbackup/view/head:/doc/boot_sectors.txt#L398 (paragraph SYSLINUX isohybrid for UEFI and x86-Mac) xorriso will hopefully be able to do this trick together with jigdo production, if the MBR template file stems from a suitable ISOLINUX version. (It has to reserve its first 32 bytes for a mock-up of an APM Block0.) Implementation has begun but will last a bit longer because the backup GPT at the end of the image does not yet fit into the architecture of libisofs. Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7679991407981802...@scdbackup.webframe.org
Re: Bug#673025: Debian 7 Alpha Install reports
John Northall wrote: Comments/Problems:None really for a novice user Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments and ideas you had during the initial install. This PC used for numerous non windows installs. Settled on Debian 6 as very stable. Ubuntu 12.04 is not! Tried Debian 7 alpha everything worked. Use Gnome Classic ...do not like later one. Synaptic package Manager installed Chromium,Icedove ( I use Thunderbird). Kept libreoffice. Will try photo editing printing next./*I now have an everyday set up which works*./ Assume that I will have to install fresh the beta release ediitions when they come out. Many congrats on your work...John Northall (UK) Hi John, Thanks very much for the feedback, it's very helpful! You should not need to re-install fresh in future (unless you want to, to help us test future installer releases!). Debian's support for upgrades in place is very good, so you should just be able to keep upgrading the system you already have installed. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com You can't barbecue lettuce! -- Ellie Crane -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1sukfp-0008ui...@mail.einval.com
Patch for installation-manual
Let's make it clearer how we expect users to write CDs to USB sticks? Index: en/install-methods/boot-usb-files.xml === --- en/install-methods/boot-usb-files.xml (revision 67598) +++ en/install-methods/boot-usb-files.xml (working copy) @@ -77,8 +77,14 @@ prompt#/prompt userinputsync/userinput /screen/informalexample -/para +/paraimportantpara +Simply writing the CD or DVD image to USB like this should work fine +for most users. The other options below are more complex, mainly for +people with specialised needs. + +/para/important + -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Because heaters aren't purple! -- Catherine Pitt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515170150.gd2...@einval.com
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
Hi, Steve McIntyre wrote: (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) but skipped straight past section 4.3.1. Looks like we could do with a big clear message DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS to make it more obvious. :-) I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of cat debian.iso /dev/sdX for X = valuable hard disk. Maybe one should advise people to first read a few MB from the stick and watch it blinking, before one uses that address for writing dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100 Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/806991405299738...@scdbackup.webframe.org
Pós-Graduação EPD, sua melhor escolha! Matrículas abertas.
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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
[Steve McIntyre] (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block devices), I think cp is even more straightforward. Bonus: you can easily run it with sudo. (sudo cat debian.iso /dev/sdX does not do what a novice might think.) Though I suppose it might be annoying to those who feel the need for alias cp='cp -i' in .bashrc. But hey, it's their choice to be annoyed by things like this. (: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515174055.gd2...@p12n.org
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of cat debian.iso /dev/sdX for X = valuable hard disk. I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant section of the Debian Live Manual. Maybe one should advise people to first read a few MB from the stick and watch it blinking, before one uses that address for writing dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100 Interesting approach. As for me, I just never write to a USB key as root unless I'm absolutely sure I need to. (Yes, I could still trash the wrong USB attached storage, but that's likely less catastrophic than what I could accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not? Keep in mind, the user may very well be writing the USB from some non-Debian system. Ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fb2964b.6010...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
Peter Samuelson, le Tue 15 May 2012 12:40:55 -0500, a écrit : (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block devices), Except that cat is often aliased with the -v option, not a good idea :) Also, the sudo issue alone made us switch to dd instead, see the svn version of the manual. I think cp is even more straightforward. Does cp accept that way since a long time? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515174648.gb4...@type.famille.thibault.fr
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
Ben Armstrong sy...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca writes: accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not? At least in default debian and ubuntu systems they don't have such write access. ubuntu uses the usb-creator package to provide a dbus api that allows normal users to create usb installation media. (It carefully checks that you can not write to the internal hard disk). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/84aa19z5l8@sauna.l.org
Re: [d-i alpha1 I18N] Untranslated menu entry regarding speech synthesizer
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org): Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org (15/05/2012): It was and it is translated in 27 languages already, but I guess I missed something that needs to be done to get them fed into d-i? Need to be sync'd into svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk/packages/po I think? In theory, no. The same setup exists for eject that provides a udeb, which menu entry should be visible in the main menu. These packages being developed outside D-I GIT, their PO files can' be aggregated into the master files in packages/pobut that is not needed as, from the specification of D-I menu, a package that provides a udeb just needs to provide a debconf template named debian-installer/package/title H, wait, that might be the problem.eject's template is debian-installer/eject-udeb/title espeakup's debconf template name should then probably be debian-installer/espeakup-udeb/title signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [d-i alpha1 I18N] Untranslated menu entry regarding speech synthesizer
Quoting Holger Wansing (li...@wansing-online.de): Hello, I noticed that in the main menu the entry Configure the speech synthesizer voice is always in english, no matter what language I choose. Searching the string in the po files for the installer - it's not there! Was it not marked as translatable? That string somes from espeakup udeb and it is marked as translatable: Template: debian-installer/espeakup/title Type: text # Main menu item. Please keep below 55 columns _Description: Configure the speech synthesizer voice Template: espeakup/voice Type: string Description: for internal use This is indeed the reason for espeakup to be in level 2 (as always when strings are provided by packages that are not part of the core D-I). Finding why this menu entry is not translated is another story. espeakup is translated into many languages, including yours (from the PO file, you're even the translator, Holger.:-) ) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Tracker for debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-DVD-1.iso?
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 01:07:01AM +1000, Jordan Clarke wrote: Hello! Last night I downloaded the Debian Installer 7.0 Alpha1 DVD via http, after being unable to download it via BitTorrent. Upon completing the download, I tried to seed the iso, but KTorrent was unable to contact a tracker. Is this a known issue? I'm feeling somewhat eager to use a little of my broadband account usage to take a bit of a load off Debian's servers. ;) It is much better for the infrastructure if you just don't use bittorrent. http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/hawley-reprint.pdf was an excellent paper a few years ago explaining why. The debian mirrors have lots of bandwidth. Now if you want to be nice, use jigdo to download the iso, since most debian mirrors don't carry the actual .iso files, but everyone has the packages. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515185252.ga9...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
[Samuel Thibault] I think cp is even more straightforward. Does cp accept that way since a long time? I'm not sure, but I've been using things like cp boot.img /dev/fd0 for probably 10 or 15 years on various Linux and Unix systems. (The fact that I referred to a floppy drive may give some idea of how long) I am not sure where the idea came from that reading or writing block devices always requires 'dd', but if I were to guess, I'd say we can blame tape drives (which aren't even block devices, but char devices). As I recall, you can choose the block size when you format or write a tape, and maybe there are ancient systems out there in which userspace must be explicit when reading and writing them. (Normally, though, I _think_ you just tell the kernel tape driver the right parameters using, e.g. 'mt', then let it handle writing full blocks.) Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515230005.ge2...@p12n.org
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:40:55PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Steve McIntyre] (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block devices), I think cp is even more straightforward. Bonus: you can easily run it with sudo. (sudo cat debian.iso /dev/sdX does not do what a novice might think.) You *can* do that, yes. The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes) or cp (10 KB IIRC). cat using the shell redirection is often going to be using a small size (1 page?). -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Google-bait: http://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing lists asking us to send them to you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515231849.ga3...@einval.com
Debian installer build: failed or old builds
Debian installer build overview --- Failed or old builds: * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:10 buildd@ancina build_iop32x_netboot http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_iop32x_netboot.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:13 buildd@ancina build_iop32x_network-console_glantank http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_iop32x_network-console_glantank.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:19 buildd@ancina build_iop32x_network-console_n2100 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_iop32x_network-console_n2100.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:22 buildd@ancina build_iop32x_network-console_ss4000e http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_iop32x_network-console_ss4000e.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:24 buildd@ancina build_kirkwood_netboot http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_kirkwood_netboot.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:30 buildd@ancina build_kirkwood_netboot-gtk http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_kirkwood_netboot-gtk.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:33 buildd@ancina build_kirkwood_network-console http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_kirkwood_network-console.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:37 buildd@ancina build_orion5x_network-console http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_orion5x_network-console.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:40 buildd@ancina build_versatile_netboot http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_versatile_netboot.log * OLD BUILD:armel May 08 08:42 buildd@ancina build_ads_cf http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armel/daily/build_ads_cf.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-amd64 Apr 05 00:32 buildd@fano build_cdrom_grub http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/daily/build_cdrom_grub.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-amd64 Apr 05 00:32 buildd@fano build_cdrom_gtk http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/daily/build_cdrom_gtk.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-amd64 Apr 05 00:37 buildd@fano build_netboot http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/daily/build_netboot.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-amd64 Apr 05 00:42 buildd@fano build_netboot-9 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/daily/build_netboot-9.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-amd64 Apr 05 00:49 buildd@fano build_netboot-gtk http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/daily/build_netboot-gtk.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-amd64 Apr 05 00:54 buildd@fano build_netboot-gtk-9 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/daily/build_netboot-gtk-9.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-i386 Apr 05 00:17 buildd@finzi build_cdrom_grub http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-i386/daily/build_cdrom_grub.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-i386 Apr 05 00:21 buildd@finzi build_netboot http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-i386/daily/build_netboot.log * OLD BUILD:kfreebsd-i386 Apr 05 00:25 buildd@finzi build_netboot-9 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-i386/daily/build_netboot-9.log * OLD BUILD:mipsel Apr 19 00:11 buildd@rem build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_serial http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_serial.log * OLD BUILD:mipsel Apr 19 00:14 buildd@rem build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_ssh http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_ssh.log * OLD BUILD:mipsel Apr 19 00:16 buildd@rem build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_common http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_cobalt_netboot-2.6_common.log * OLD BUILD:mipsel Apr 19 00:19 buildd@rem build_malta_netboot-2.6 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_malta_netboot-2.6.log * OLD BUILD:mipsel Apr 19 00:22 buildd@rem build_sb1-bcm91250a_netboot-2.6 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_sb1-bcm91250a_netboot-2.6.log * OLD BUILD:mipsel Apr 19 00:26 buildd@rem build_loongson-2f_netboot-2.6 http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/mipsel/daily/build_loongson-2f_netboot-2.6.log Totals: 171 builds (0 failed, 25 old) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1susay-00074x...@ravel.debian.org
Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...
[Steve McIntyre]
The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
or cp (10 KB IIRC).
That seemed a little fishy to me, since none of the above commands do
any fsync by default, so I just benched it locally.
Writing a 50 MB businesscard image to a USB flash drive on my system
(numbers are MB/s):
dd bs=512 1.771.781.77
dd bs=1024 1.791.761.77
dd bs=2048 1.771.781.78
dd bs=4096 2.542.532.51
dd bs=8192 2.482.502.55
dd bs=4194304 2.502.502.54
cp 2.492.472.48
So it appears that if you aren't going to specify a bs= parameter here,
there's no point in using dd, unless you just happen to think its
command line syntax is particularly charming. And even if you do
specify bs=, you'll only barely beat cp.
For completeness, the same test writing a small file (1 MB),
unsurprisingly, is quite inconclusive:
dd bs=512 1.441.040.98
dd bs=1024 1.001.061.04
dd bs=2048 0.821.041.05
dd bs=4096 1.301.311.35
dd bs=8192 1.061.521.56
dd bs=4194304 1.191.281.27
cp 1.141.291.27
--
Peter
#!/bin/sh
infile=/tmp/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-businesscard.iso
MB=$(stat -c'scale=2; %s/1048576' $infile | bc)
outfile=/dev/sdd
test_start () {
label=$1
sudo sysctl vm.drop_caches=1 /dev/null # probably not really needed
t0=$(date +%s.%N)
}
test_end () {
sync
echo $label : $(echo scale=2; $MB / ($(date +'%s.%N') - $t0) | bc) MB/s
}
for n in $(seq 1 3); do
for sz in 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 $((1024*4096)); do
test_start bs=$sz
dd bs=$sz if=$infile of=$outfile 2 /dev/null
test_end
done
test_start cp
cp $infile $outfile
test_end
done
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