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New menu entry numbers

[Ben Hildred]

I have always held that one issue with UNIX backup programs is that
restores require UNIX which works fine for a great number of use cases, but
is difficult in the case of restoring from a catastrophic failure and
testing for restoring after catastrophic failures (after all if you don't
test your backups how do you know they work?), so I figured that the best
way to deal with this is to have your backup set include an installer or
bootable restore, and my favorite installer is of course d-i.

Now I have a chance to build a piece toward that vision of having d-i be a
backup restore utility, and I am getting paid to do it. The idea is that
the backup utility would create a pressed file to be used with d-i that
would as part of the install (or possibly in a restore mode like rescue
mode) restore from backups. I'm not yet doing that part because in this
case the backup only needs done once as the machines do not change much
(and then only after much testing). What I need to do is automate the
restore and in doing so I plan to add two additional menu entries to d-i
when properly preseeded. I am tentatively calling them 'choose profile' and
'install data'.

In a typical install without a preseed file neither option will show in the
menu.

'Choose profile' will be executed as early as possible to allow choice of
preseed files to allow choosing which preseed profile to use. I have been
hemming and hawing about where to put it for maximum versatility as it
would be nice to be able to use it to choose the language after logging in
over ssh using the network console (I want a pet unicorn too). It will ask
one question and have two hooks based on the answer. one hook will load an
additional preseed file, the other will execute a script.

'Install data' will not ask any questions and will be executed as late as
possible (right before finish install) It will have three hooks that will
be preseeded by the additional preseed file loaded by choose profile. The
first is a set of archives to be installed (progress bar is useful here)
and the other two are both script hooks: prepare and finish, executed
before and after the install of archives.

There are other uses cases such as deploying so called cattle servers. The
way this will be used is that as soon as d-i asks which profile to use, the
user can choose between prepared configurations or backups.

Some thoughts on translation: Except for an optional default of 'none -
normal install' the choices do not need translation as they will be site
specific, localized at the creation of the preseed file, and would not make
be useful outside the local site, for example backups would typically named
on  the machine and date the of the backup, or a web server based on the
site it would display or role it was to play (reverse proxy, static
content, dynamic content, backend, etc.) and in my case it is German and
 none knows what it means any way so it doesn't matter. On the other hand
the question and titles would be subject to translation (if the language
has already been preseeded or passed in the environment by ssh) At the
moment the two strings I am thinking about using in addition to the
aforementioned none are 'Choose profile' for the question and 'Local data'
 for the progress bar. Suggestions for improvement are welcomed.

Thank you for your time, and if someone wants to sponsor me to get this
package set into Debian, it would be appreciated.

-- 
--
Ben Hildred
Automation Support Services

Re: Daily armhf image builds fail

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Karsten Merker  (2017-06-28):
> the build fails due to a missing i2c-modules udeb for kernel
> 4.11.  From a look at the autobuilder logs it seems that a new
> kernel build which includes the udeb has already been triggered,
> but the packages have not yet arrived in the archive.  Once the
> newly built packages have entered the archive, the armhf d-i
> builds should work again without further manual intervention.

There was resource starvation as far as armhf buildds go, and src:linux
needed almost 10 days as needs-build before being picked up. Whenever
you see linux kernel/module related failures, it's always a good idea to
check this page:
  https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=linux=sid

and/or that one:
  https://d-i.debian.org/kernel-summary.html

I usually wait until a new version of the kernel is built everywhere,
but we can have old binaries going away before all new ones are ready,
that's why I pushed the change to git before linux was built everywhere.


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Bug#866328: user-setup: allow to preseed the user shell

[Luca Boccassi]

On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 23:20 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Hi Luca,
> 
> Luca Boccassi  (2017-06-28):
> > It would be useful to allow preseeding the user shell.
> > 
> > The use case we have at work is building live Debian images and
> > shipping them to users, where we need to have something other than
> > bash as the live user shell.
> > 
> > This could be achieved with hacky posthook scripts that sed
> > /etc/passwd, but it just feels wrong :-)
> > 
> > Attached is a very small and simple patch to add a passwd/user-
> > shell
> > configurable option, modeled after passwd/user-uid.
> 
> I'm still undecided as to whether this patch is needed/useful in d-i,
> but anyway:

Hi,

At work we build a downstream of Debian, Vyatta, and it would be quite
useful for us. There might be more crazy folks like us out there who
might like it too :-)

> >  # Allow preseeding the groups to which the first created user is
> > added
> >  Template: passwd/user-default-groups
> >  Type: string
> > diff --git a/user-setup-apply b/user-setup-apply
> > index f24ece2..9dfcf55 100755
> > --- a/user-setup-apply
> > +++ b/user-setup-apply
> > @@ -109,6 +109,16 @@ if [ "$RET" = true ] && ! is_system_user; then
> >     UIDOPT=
> >     fi
> >  
> > +   if db_get passwd/user-shell && [ "$RET" ]; then
> > +   if [ -x $ROOT/usr/sbin/adduser ]; then
> > +   SHELLOPT="--shell $RET"
> > +   else
> > +   SHELLOPT="-s $RET"
> > +   fi
> > +   else
> > +   SHELLOPT=
> > +   fi
> > +
> 
> This distinction doesn't seem needed? I see this in useradd's manpage
> from jessie to sid:
>    -s, --shell SHELL

Yes I noticed the same, but that was true for --uid as well, so I
followed the same convention.

New version inlined without that if-else. Thanks for the feedback!

Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi

From 84e6049f8e41f15da2e3b91f1184e89e8cd429b7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Luca Boccassi 
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:21:10 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Add passwd/user-shell to allow preseeding the shell

In some cases it is useful to be able to configure the user shell via
the installer. Add a new optional db_get passwd/user-shell and pass
it to adduser/useradd --shell/-s if it is set.
---
 debian/user-setup-udeb.templates |  5 +
 user-setup-apply | 10 --
 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates b/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
index 45e16b4..64731de 100644
--- a/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
+++ b/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
@@ -16,6 +16,11 @@ Template: passwd/user-uid
 Type: string
 Description: for internal use only
 
+# Allow preseeding the shell configured for the first created user
+Template: passwd/user-shell
+Type: string
+Description: for internal use only
+
 # Allow preseeding the groups to which the first created user is added
 Template: passwd/user-default-groups
 Type: string
diff --git a/user-setup-apply b/user-setup-apply
index f24ece2..9a6a913 100755
--- a/user-setup-apply
+++ b/user-setup-apply
@@ -109,6 +109,12 @@ if [ "$RET" = true ] && ! is_system_user; then
    UIDOPT=
    fi
 
+   if db_get passwd/user-shell && [ "$RET" ]; then
+   SHELLOPT="--shell $RET"
+   else
+   SHELLOPT=
+   fi
+
    # Add the user to the database, using adduser in noninteractive
    # mode.
    db_get passwd/username
@@ -121,9 +127,9 @@ if [ "$RET" = true ] && ! is_system_user; then
    fi
 
    if [ -x $ROOT/usr/sbin/adduser ]; then
-   $log $chroot $ROOT adduser --disabled-password --gecos "$RET" 
$UIDOPT "$USER" >/dev/null || true
+   $log $chroot $ROOT adduser --disabled-password --gecos "$RET" 
$UIDOPT $SHELLOPT "$USER" >/dev/null || true
    else
-   $log $chroot $ROOT useradd -c "$RET" -m "$USER" $UIDOPT 
>/dev/null || true
+   $log $chroot $ROOT useradd -c "$RET" -m "$USER" $UIDOPT 
$SHELLOPT >/dev/null || true
    fi
 
    # Clear the user password from the database.
-- 
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Bug#866328: user-setup: allow to preseed the user shell

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi Luca,

Luca Boccassi  (2017-06-28):
> It would be useful to allow preseeding the user shell.
> 
> The use case we have at work is building live Debian images and
> shipping them to users, where we need to have something other than
> bash as the live user shell.
> 
> This could be achieved with hacky posthook scripts that sed
> /etc/passwd, but it just feels wrong :-)
> 
> Attached is a very small and simple patch to add a passwd/user-shell
> configurable option, modeled after passwd/user-uid.

I'm still undecided as to whether this patch is needed/useful in d-i,
but anyway:

>  # Allow preseeding the groups to which the first created user is added
>  Template: passwd/user-default-groups
>  Type: string
> diff --git a/user-setup-apply b/user-setup-apply
> index f24ece2..9dfcf55 100755
> --- a/user-setup-apply
> +++ b/user-setup-apply
> @@ -109,6 +109,16 @@ if [ "$RET" = true ] && ! is_system_user; then
>   UIDOPT=
>   fi
>  
> + if db_get passwd/user-shell && [ "$RET" ]; then
> + if [ -x $ROOT/usr/sbin/adduser ]; then
> + SHELLOPT="--shell $RET"
> + else
> + SHELLOPT="-s $RET"
> + fi
> + else
> + SHELLOPT=
> + fi
> +

This distinction doesn't seem needed? I see this in useradd's manpage
from jessie to sid:
   -s, --shell SHELL


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Bug#866328: user-setup: allow to preseed the user shell

[Luca Boccassi]

Package: user-setup
Tags: patch
Severity: wishlist

Dear Maintainer,

It would be useful to allow preseeding the user shell.

The use case we have at work is building live Debian images and
shipping them to users, where we need to have something other than bash
as the live user shell.

This could be achieved with hacky posthook scripts that sed
/etc/passwd, but it just feels wrong :-)

Attached is a very small and simple patch to add a passwd/user-shell
configurable option, modeled after passwd/user-uid.

Thank you!

Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi


From 80480267a470793b77c336fa49c24a864e647bea Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Luca Boccassi 
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:21:10 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Add passwd/user-shell to preseed the user shell

In some cases it is useful to be able to configure the user shell via
the installer. Especially when building live-images to deliver to users.

Add a new optional db_get passwd/user-shell and pass it to
adduser/useradd --shell/-s if it is set.
---
 debian/user-setup-udeb.templates |  5 +
 user-setup-apply | 14 --
 2 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates b/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
index 45e16b4..64731de 100644
--- a/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
+++ b/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
@@ -16,6 +16,11 @@ Template: passwd/user-uid
 Type: string
 Description: for internal use only
 
+# Allow preseeding the shell configured for the first created user
+Template: passwd/user-shell
+Type: string
+Description: for internal use only
+
 # Allow preseeding the groups to which the first created user is added
 Template: passwd/user-default-groups
 Type: string
diff --git a/user-setup-apply b/user-setup-apply
index f24ece2..9dfcf55 100755
--- a/user-setup-apply
+++ b/user-setup-apply
@@ -109,6 +109,16 @@ if [ "$RET" = true ] && ! is_system_user; then
UIDOPT=
fi
 
+   if db_get passwd/user-shell && [ "$RET" ]; then
+   if [ -x $ROOT/usr/sbin/adduser ]; then
+   SHELLOPT="--shell $RET"
+   else
+   SHELLOPT="-s $RET"
+   fi
+   else
+   SHELLOPT=
+   fi
+
# Add the user to the database, using adduser in noninteractive
# mode.
db_get passwd/username
@@ -121,9 +131,9 @@ if [ "$RET" = true ] && ! is_system_user; then
fi
 
if [ -x $ROOT/usr/sbin/adduser ]; then
-   $log $chroot $ROOT adduser --disabled-password --gecos "$RET" 
$UIDOPT "$USER" >/dev/null || true
+   $log $chroot $ROOT adduser --disabled-password --gecos "$RET" 
$UIDOPT $SHELLOPT "$USER" >/dev/null || true
else
-   $log $chroot $ROOT useradd -c "$RET" -m "$USER" $UIDOPT 
>/dev/null || true
+   $log $chroot $ROOT useradd -c "$RET" -m "$USER" $UIDOPT 
$SHELLOPT >/dev/null || true
fi
 
# Clear the user password from the database.
-- 
2.11.0


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Bug#866085: At least it should be the option to not download

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Am Mittwoch 28. Juni 2017 schrieb Narcis Garcia:
> > 
> > If you are doing an install party, set up a proxy server.  That really
> > really helps a lot.
> > 
> 
> Not only experts should be able to do an install party; some more people
> wants to share small knowledge and experiences.

You could also download a CD or DVD image and burn 10 or
20 discs. That allows installation without internet connection
on many machines at the same time.
And you have something to hand out to the people ...

Holger  

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Bug#866082: Fails on Guided partitioning for 8GiB disk

[Ben Hutchings]

On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 08:39 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Many people may feel this matter is not important because most of
> installations are for traditional PCs, but there are other scenarios
> such as TV devices, phone/tablets, VM, etc. with less internal space.

Debian installer is not intended for setting up embedded systems.

Ben.

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Bug#866267: discover: maintainer script(s) not using strict mode

[treinen]

Package: discover
Version: 2.1.2-7.1
Severity: normal
User: trei...@debian.org
Usertags: colis-shparser

Dear maintainer,

at least one of the maintainer scripts (preinst, postinst, prerm,
postrm) of the package discover does not use strict mode. Policy
section 10.4 says:

"Shell scripts (sh and bash) [..] should almost certainly start with
set -e so that errors are detected."

"Every script should use set -e or check the exit status of every
command."

Please insert a "set -e" at the beginning of your script to enable
strict mode. You should not replace this by a first line "#!/bin/sh
-e" as it is not effective when your script is executed by an
explicit invocation of sh.

Note that this might make your script fail in cases where it did not
fail before. This is the purpose of strict mode - make it fail when
any unexpected error is encountered. You should make sure that you
catch any error (non-zero exit codes of commands) that you decide to
tolerate. Techniques to locally catch an error include using
appropriate options to your command when available, adding a " ||
true" at the end of the command, or selectively switching off strict
mode by "set +e" and switching it back on again later by "set -e". 

This bug filing has been discussed and approved in thread [1].

-Ralf.

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00342.html 

Bug#866085: At least it should be the option to not download

[Narcis Garcia]

> 
> If you are doing an install party, set up a proxy server.  That really
> really helps a lot.
> 

Not only experts should be able to do an install party; some more people
wants to share small knowledge and experiences.

Bug#866083: Default GRUB install target should be hard disk

[Ben Hildred]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Narcis Garcia 
wrote:

> When user selects to (yes) install boot manager, the wizard asks where
> to do the grub-install.
> Currently, default option in the dialog is to introduce manually the
> target path. I propose to change default option by the already detected
> path.
>
>
Also note that this change will aid in preseeding when deploying the same
image to multiple hardware configurations.

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Automation Support Services
303 815 6721

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

[teseo]

b avere a kfj p h



Inviato tramite XiaomiIl Russ Allbery , 28/giu/2017 18:37 ha scritto:Andreas Henriksson  writes:

> Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it
> as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as
> deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people
> mass-bug-filing RC-bugs for all current extra packages.

I'd like to keep the documentation of extra because, for some time to
come, there will be a lot of packages in the wild that will have that
priority in their control files (even if they've been overridden by
ftp-master in the archive metadata).  We therefore need to document that
the priority still exists.

Hm, it occurs to me that this wording should probably explicitly say that
the extra priority should be treated the same as optional if it appears
anywhere (although the archive-wide override change will mostly take care
of that).

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)   

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

[teseo]

lyv



Inviato tramite XiaomiIl Niels Thykier , 28/giu/2017 13:08 ha scritto:On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:54:00 -0700 Russ Allbery  wrote:
> Ansgar Burchardt  writes:
> 
> > I discussed this a bit on IRC with the other ftp-masters and we came to
> > this summary:
> 
> > 0) We would like to drop the requirement for packages to not depend on
> >    packages of lower priority: it is better to declare only what we
> >    actually want included in the installation (that is at priority >=
> >    standard) rather than also the dependency closure.
> 
> > 1) We agree that the 'extra' priority can be dropped.
> 
> > 2) We wonder if the 'standard' priority can also be dropped: as far as
> >    we know, it is used only by the "standard" task and it might make
> >    sense to treat it the same as other tasks.
> >    (Depending on what works better for the installer team.)
> 

Hi,

Thanks for this draft.

> Given KiBi's reply, I'll leave 2 out for now.
> 

Seems reasonable to me. :)

> [...]
> 
> Note that this also says that no two packages that both have a priority of
> standard or higher may conflict.  I think that's a logical consequence of
> the use of priorities, and didn't want to lose that completely when that
> requirement was dropped from optional.
> 

Agreed.

I second the change below.  Please notify me/the lintian maintainers
if/when it is merged, so we can update the relevant checks in lintian.

> diff --git a/policy.xml b/policy.xml
> index ace6a3b..be458cd 100644
> --- a/policy.xml
> +++ b/policy.xml
> @@ -837,11 +837,33 @@
>    Priorities
>  
>    
> -    Each package should have a priority value,
> -    which is included in the package's control
> -    record (see ).  This
> -    information is used by the Debian package management tools to
> -    separate high-priority packages from less-important packages.
> +    Each package must have a priority value,
> +    which is set in the metadata for the Debian archive and is also
> +    included in the package's control files (see 
> +    linkend="s-f-Priority"/>).  This information is used to control
> +    which packages are included in standard or minimal Debian
> +    installations.
> +  
> +  
> +    Most Debian packages will have a priority of
> +    optional.  Priority levels other than
> +    optional are only used for packages that should
> +    be included by default in a standard installation of Debian.
> +  
> +  
> +    The priority of a package is determined solely by the
> +    functionality it provides directly to the user.  The priority of a
> +    package should not be increased merely because another
> +    higher-priority package depends on it; instead, the tools used to
> +    construct Debian installations will correctly handle package
> +    dependencies.  In particular, this means that C-like libraries
> +    will almost never have a priority above
> +    optional, since they do not provide
> +    functionality directly to users.  However, as an exception, the
> +    maintainers of Debian installers may request an increase of the
> +    priority of a package to resolve installation issues and ensure
> +    that the correct set of packages is included in a standard or
> +    minimal install.
>    
>    
>  The following priority levels are recognized
> @@ -896,19 +922,22 @@
>    installed by default if the user doesn't select anything
>    else.  It doesn't include many large applications.
>  
> +    
> +  No two packages that both have a priority of
> +  standard or higher may conflict with each
> +  other.
> +    
>    
>  
>  
>    optional
>    
>  
> -  (In a sense everything that isn't required is optional, but
> -  that's not what is meant here.) This is all the software
> -  that you might reasonably want to install if you didn't know
> -  what it was and don't have specialized requirements.  This
> -  is a much larger system and includes the X Window System, a
> -  full TeX distribution, and many applications.  Note that
> -  optional packages should not conflict with each other.
> +  This is the default priority for the majority of the
> +  archive.  Unless a package should be installed by default on
> +  standard Debian systems, it should have a priority of
> +  optional.  Packages with a priority of
> +  optional may conflict with each other.
>  
>    
>  
> @@ -916,22 +945,21 @@
>    extra
>   

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

[teseo]

o y, e. c



Inviato tramite XiaomiIl Russ Allbery , 28/giu/2017 18:37 ha scritto:Andreas Henriksson  writes:

> Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it
> as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as
> deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people
> mass-bug-filing RC-bugs for all current extra packages.

I'd like to keep the documentation of extra because, for some time to
come, there will be a lot of packages in the wild that will have that
priority in their control files (even if they've been overridden by
ftp-master in the archive metadata).  We therefore need to document that
the priority still exists.

Hm, it occurs to me that this wording should probably explicitly say that
the extra priority should be treated the same as optional if it appears
anywhere (although the archive-wide override change will mostly take care
of that).

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)   

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

[Russ Allbery]

Andreas Henriksson  writes:

> Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it
> as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as
> deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people
> mass-bug-filing RC-bugs for all current extra packages.

I'd like to keep the documentation of extra because, for some time to
come, there will be a lot of packages in the wild that will have that
priority in their control files (even if they've been overridden by
ftp-master in the archive metadata).  We therefore need to document that
the priority still exists.

Hm, it occurs to me that this wording should probably explicitly say that
the extra priority should be treated the same as optional if it appears
anywhere (although the archive-wide override change will mostly take care
of that).

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)   

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

[Joerg Jaspert]

On 14717 March 1977, Andreas Henriksson wrote:
> Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it
> as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as
> deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people
> mass-bug-filing RC-bugs for all current extra packages.

As soon as this is more than just a discussion but gets reality, we will
ensure there *IS* no more extra package with a mass override change...


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Bug#866085: At least it should be the option to not download

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 08:52:31AM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> If you *will* be connected to the internet you *will* need to install
> security updates;
> Internet is not the only source for packages (). If someone
> installs Debian on 3 computers (or repeats installation 3 times), it
> shouldn't mean to use 3x internet traffic repeating installer downloads.
> 
> A) This user can save and reuse packages cache and apply updates at the
> convenient moment.
> B) When repeating install at the same computer (e.g. changing install
> decisions such as partitioning, architecture, etc.) the user only needs
> updates on final one.
> 
> Most of internet uses on the world have really low bandwidth accessing
> to the internet, and making (some) unnecessary downloads can be a money
> & time problem.
> 
> +
> I've participated on an "install party" where only half of Debian
> installs could be done because of this issue.

If you are doing an install party, set up a proxy server.  That really
really helps a lot.

-- 
Len Sorensen

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

[Andreas Henriksson]

Hi Russ,

Your suggestion looks good to me so just in case it's useful:

Seconded.


Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it
as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as
deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people
mass-bug-filing RC-bugs for all current extra packages.

I also think a really good upgrade notice for this is needed. Should be
very clearly mentioned people adjusting their packages should not forget
to also file a bug against ftp.debian.org to align the overrides. I
think the suggested new language in the policy itself is clear, but I'm
still sure many people will overlook that the Priority field in the
control file is not the canonical location for the actual priority used
by the debian archive. I think you've done a very good job for upgrade
notes keeping them short and to the point previously so I trust you'll
do an excellent job here as well, but if you want help with suggestions
please mention it and a non-native speaker like myself would make an
attempt.


Regards,
Andreas Henriksson


On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 03:54:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
[...]
> diff --git a/policy.xml b/policy.xml
> index ace6a3b..be458cd 100644
> --- a/policy.xml
> +++ b/policy.xml
> @@ -837,11 +837,33 @@
>Priorities
>  
>
> -Each package should have a priority value,
> -which is included in the package's control
> -record (see ).  This
> -information is used by the Debian package management tools to
> -separate high-priority packages from less-important packages.
> +Each package must have a priority value,
> +which is set in the metadata for the Debian archive and is also
> +included in the package's control files (see  +linkend="s-f-Priority"/>).  This information is used to control
> +which packages are included in standard or minimal Debian
> +installations.
> +  
> +  
> +Most Debian packages will have a priority of
> +optional.  Priority levels other than
> +optional are only used for packages that should
> +be included by default in a standard installation of Debian.
> +  
> +  
> +The priority of a package is determined solely by the
> +functionality it provides directly to the user.  The priority of a
> +package should not be increased merely because another
> +higher-priority package depends on it; instead, the tools used to
> +construct Debian installations will correctly handle package
> +dependencies.  In particular, this means that C-like libraries
> +will almost never have a priority above
> +optional, since they do not provide
> +functionality directly to users.  However, as an exception, the
> +maintainers of Debian installers may request an increase of the
> +priority of a package to resolve installation issues and ensure
> +that the correct set of packages is included in a standard or
> +minimal install.
>
>
>  The following priority levels are recognized
> @@ -896,19 +922,22 @@
>installed by default if the user doesn't select anything
>else.  It doesn't include many large applications.
>  
> +
> +  No two packages that both have a priority of
> +  standard or higher may conflict with each
> +  other.
> +
>
>  
>  
>optional
>
>  
> -  (In a sense everything that isn't required is optional, but
> -  that's not what is meant here.) This is all the software
> -  that you might reasonably want to install if you didn't know
> -  what it was and don't have specialized requirements.  This
> -  is a much larger system and includes the X Window System, a
> -  full TeX distribution, and many applications.  Note that
> -  optional packages should not conflict with each other.
> +  This is the default priority for the majority of the
> +  archive.  Unless a package should be installed by default on
> +  standard Debian systems, it should have a priority of
> +  optional.  Packages with a priority of
> +  optional may conflict with each other.
>  
>
>  
> @@ -916,22 +945,21 @@
>extra
>
>  
> -  This contains all packages that conflict with others with
> -  required, important, standard or optional priorities, or are
> -  only likely to be useful if you already know what they are
> -  or have specialized requirements (such as packages
> -  containing only detached debugging symbols).
> +  This priority is 

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

[Niels Thykier]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:54:00 -0700 Russ Allbery  wrote:
> Ansgar Burchardt  writes:
> 
> > I discussed this a bit on IRC with the other ftp-masters and we came to
> > this summary:
> 
> > 0) We would like to drop the requirement for packages to not depend on
> >packages of lower priority: it is better to declare only what we
> >actually want included in the installation (that is at priority >=
> >standard) rather than also the dependency closure.
> 
> > 1) We agree that the 'extra' priority can be dropped.
> 
> > 2) We wonder if the 'standard' priority can also be dropped: as far as
> >we know, it is used only by the "standard" task and it might make
> >sense to treat it the same as other tasks.
> >(Depending on what works better for the installer team.)
> 

Hi,

Thanks for this draft.

> Given KiBi's reply, I'll leave 2 out for now.
> 

Seems reasonable to me. :)

> [...]
> 
> Note that this also says that no two packages that both have a priority of
> standard or higher may conflict.  I think that's a logical consequence of
> the use of priorities, and didn't want to lose that completely when that
> requirement was dropped from optional.
> 

Agreed.

I second the change below.  Please notify me/the lintian maintainers
if/when it is merged, so we can update the relevant checks in lintian.

> diff --git a/policy.xml b/policy.xml
> index ace6a3b..be458cd 100644
> --- a/policy.xml
> +++ b/policy.xml
> @@ -837,11 +837,33 @@
>Priorities
>  
>
> -Each package should have a priority value,
> -which is included in the package's control
> -record (see ).  This
> -information is used by the Debian package management tools to
> -separate high-priority packages from less-important packages.
> +Each package must have a priority value,
> +which is set in the metadata for the Debian archive and is also
> +included in the package's control files (see  +linkend="s-f-Priority"/>).  This information is used to control
> +which packages are included in standard or minimal Debian
> +installations.
> +  
> +  
> +Most Debian packages will have a priority of
> +optional.  Priority levels other than
> +optional are only used for packages that should
> +be included by default in a standard installation of Debian.
> +  
> +  
> +The priority of a package is determined solely by the
> +functionality it provides directly to the user.  The priority of a
> +package should not be increased merely because another
> +higher-priority package depends on it; instead, the tools used to
> +construct Debian installations will correctly handle package
> +dependencies.  In particular, this means that C-like libraries
> +will almost never have a priority above
> +optional, since they do not provide
> +functionality directly to users.  However, as an exception, the
> +maintainers of Debian installers may request an increase of the
> +priority of a package to resolve installation issues and ensure
> +that the correct set of packages is included in a standard or
> +minimal install.
>
>
>  The following priority levels are recognized
> @@ -896,19 +922,22 @@
>installed by default if the user doesn't select anything
>else.  It doesn't include many large applications.
>  
> +
> +  No two packages that both have a priority of
> +  standard or higher may conflict with each
> +  other.
> +
>
>  
>  
>optional
>
>  
> -  (In a sense everything that isn't required is optional, but
> -  that's not what is meant here.) This is all the software
> -  that you might reasonably want to install if you didn't know
> -  what it was and don't have specialized requirements.  This
> -  is a much larger system and includes the X Window System, a
> -  full TeX distribution, and many applications.  Note that
> -  optional packages should not conflict with each other.
> +  This is the default priority for the majority of the
> +  archive.  Unless a package should be installed by default on
> +  standard Debian systems, it should have a priority of
> +  optional.  Packages with a priority of
> +  optional may conflict with each other.
>  
>
>  
> @@ -916,22 +945,21 @@
>extra
>
>  
> -  This contains all packages that conflict with others with
> -  required, important, standard or optional priorities, or are
> -  only likely to be 

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di-netboot-assistant_0.42_i386.changes ACCEPTED into unstable

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Bug#866085: At least it should be the option to not download

[Narcis Garcia]

If you *will* be connected to the internet you *will* need to install
security updates;
Internet is not the only source for packages (). If someone
installs Debian on 3 computers (or repeats installation 3 times), it
shouldn't mean to use 3x internet traffic repeating installer downloads.

A) This user can save and reuse packages cache and apply updates at the
convenient moment.
B) When repeating install at the same computer (e.g. changing install
decisions such as partitioning, architecture, etc.) the user only needs
updates on final one.

Most of internet uses on the world have really low bandwidth accessing
to the internet, and making (some) unnecessary downloads can be a money
& time problem.

+
I've participated on an "install party" where only half of Debian
installs could be done because of this issue.

Bug#866082: Fails on Guided partitioning for 8GiB disk

[Narcis Garcia]

Many people may feel this matter is not important because most of
installations are for traditional PCs, but there are other scenarios
such as TV devices, phone/tablets, VM, etc. with less internal space.

Bug#866083: Default GRUB install target should be hard disk

[Narcis Garcia]

When user selects to (yes) install boot manager, the wizard asks where
to do the grub-install.
Currently, default option in the dialog is to introduce manually the
target path. I propose to change default option by the already detected
path.

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Bug#817023: marked as done (os-prober doesn't detect EFI partition on MBR)

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has caused the Debian Bug report #817023,
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Package: os-prober
Version: 1.71

Also reproducible in os-prober 1.65

https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/os-prober.git/tree/os-probes/mounted/x86/05efi#n42..n45

Disk has regular MBR table. It has Windows 7 and Ubuntu installed on
different partitions. Os-prober doesn't detect EFI partition on MBR
table because "udevadm info" returns "dos" partition scheme instead of
expected "msdos".

  $ udevadm info /dev/sda1 | grep dos
  E: ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME=dos
  E: ID_PART_TABLE_TYPE=dos

  $ fdisk -lu /dev/sda | grep -B1 -A1 ef
 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
  /dev/sda1 * 2048 616447 307200 ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
  /dev/sda2 616448 128134439 63758996 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

Fixing conditions below resolves the issue:

- \( "$ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME" != gpt -a "$ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME" != msdos \) -o \
+ \( "$ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME" != gpt -a "$ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME" != dos \) -o \
  \( "$ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME" = gpt -a "$ID_PART_ENTRY_TYPE" !=
c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b \) -o \
- \( "$ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME" = msdos -a "$ID_PART_ENTRY_TYPE" != 0xef \) ]; then
+ \( "$ID_PART_ENTRY_SCHEME" = dos -a "$ID_PART_ENTRY_TYPE" != 0xef \) ]; then

Probably this bug relates to udevinfo replacement
(https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/07/msg01134.html).

P.S. Cross-posting report in ubuntu launchpad
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/os-prober/+bug/1553678
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Source: os-prober
Source-Version: 1.76

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
os-prober, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 817...@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
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Christian Perrier  (supplier of updated os-prober package)

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Changed-By: Christian Perrier 
Description:
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Closes: 817023
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