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Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages

2023-10-03 Thread Andreas Beckmann

On 03/10/2023 19.30, Bastian Blank wrote:

thread.  Or freak out because meta packages remain uninstallable in
backports for days.

...

plus gcc or we change how backports works.


If uninstallable packages in backports are a problem, perhaps backports 
needs something like britney to migrate packages from an uploading area 
to the publishing area (once a package set is installable, no need for 
delays). That should solve the problem where several source packages 
need to be updated together. (It would also solve problems with 
unsatisfiable dependencies where the backporter-uploaded binaries were 
built by accident in sid instead of stable, requiring a binNMU before 
migration.)


(but this should be discussed elsewhere)


Andreas



Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages

2023-10-03 Thread Robert Nelson
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 2:54 PM Adrian Bunk  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 07:30:49PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> >...
> > The core problem is that people assume they can get headers matching the
> > currently running kernel, without upgrading first, see also the parallel
> > thread.
> >...
>
> If the new kernel has a regression that affects the user, the user
> usually has no good choice other than downgrading to the previously-used
> kernel and continue using it until a fixed kernel is available.
>
> How will the user get the headers matching this previously-used kernel
> that are required until we provide a kernel with the regression fixed?
>

I know there is a lot of history behind the linux-headers package in
debian.  However since 5.2 there is a kernel config option, which
allows you to build the kernel headers as a module (built-in or
external)..

https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/IKHEADERS.html

As long as this was enabled (ignore bugs/regressions), users can go
back and forth on kernel versions as they wish.

Regards,

-- 
Robert Nelson
https://rcn-ee.com/



Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages

2023-10-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 07:30:49PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
>...
> The core problem is that people assume they can get headers matching the
> currently running kernel, without upgrading first, see also the parallel
> thread.
>...

If the new kernel has a regression that affects the user, the user 
usually has no good choice other than downgrading to the previously-used 
kernel and continue using it until a fixed kernel is available.

How will the user get the headers matching this previously-used kernel
that are required until we provide a kernel with the regression fixed?

> Regards,
> Bastian

cu
Adrian



Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages

2023-10-03 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi Sam

On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 08:31:57AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I still think it would help if you would work more on articulating what
> problem you are trying to solve with the linux-headers versioning
> change.  I have read multiple versions of this proposal, and your
> follow-ups, and I still do not understand what is prompting the
> linux-headers change.

The core problem is that people assume they can get headers matching the
currently running kernel, without upgrading first, see also the parallel
thread.  Or freak out because meta packages remain uninstallable in
backports for days.

With this plan you can only get the correct ones by using something
I think like:

| apt satisfy 'linux-headers (= $(uname -r))'

There is somewhere again a maybe possible plan to get meta packages in
place that actually support the case of always providing the headers to
the installed (not running!) kernel.

Then we need to use the same versioning anyway again.  In the end I
don't really care, but we need then a way to fix the version skew
between the different source package for the kernel.  Aka either redo
larger parts of the linux package (which can never fix it completely),
plus gcc or we change how backports works.

> My intuition mirrors others in the conversation that it is problematic
> to support multiple kernel versions without also supporting multiple
> header versions.

Usually you try to guard against one error.  Noone claimed that we can't
work with one error.  All the other conversations already have to argue
with two errors at the same time.  When should we stop then?

Regards,
Bastian

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Re: Upcoming changes to Debian Linux kernel packages

2023-10-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Bastian" == Bastian Blank  writes:

Bastian> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 04:35:08AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
>> On 25/09/2023 00.50, Bastian Blank wrote:
>> > Already built modules remain until someone deletes it.  So you
>> can also > switch back to the still installed older kernel
>> version and it will have > the still working module available.
>> Assume I have Linux 6.6 and a third-party gpu driver module
>> installed (so there are dkms and the Linux 6.6 headers as well)
>> and everything is working fine.  Then I upgrade the system, which
>> brings Linux 6.7 (along linux-image-6.6 which is kept installed)
>> and a new version of the gpu driver (which adds support for
>> 6.7). So the old gpu module for 6.6 gets removed and a new one is
>> built for 6.7 only (since there are only 6.7 headers now).

Bastian> Ah, here lays the missconception.  No, the 6.6 ones are not
Bastian> removed.  Why should they be?  The system knows it can't
Bastian> rebuild them.

Bastian> If the current implementation would remove them, it is a
Bastian> problem there, not in the concept.

I still think it would help if you would work more on articulating what
problem you are trying to solve with the linux-headers versioning
change.  I have read multiple versions of this proposal, and your
follow-ups, and I still do not understand what is prompting the
linux-headers change.

My intuition mirrors others in the conversation that it is problematic
to support multiple kernel versions without also supporting multiple
header versions.



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Maintainer: Debian Install System Team 
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