Bug#417689: tried 'tasksel install desktop' in a installed system, it did remove 119 packages
Package: tasksel Version: 2.66 Severity: normal hi I upgraded a sarge system to etch; I wanted to be sure I was not missing some important desktop utilities and files; so I issued # tasksel install desktop that in turn ran # debconf-apt-progress -- aptitude -q --without-recommends -y install ~t^desktop$ ~t^gnome-desktop$ that then called # aptitude -o APT::Status-Fd=4 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=5 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=6 -q --without-recommends -y install ~t^desktop$ ~t^gnome-desktop$ that proceeded to delete 119 packages to my system, w/o asking. The problem is that, in aptitude, --without-recommends triggers the removal of automatically installed packages that are recommends and not depends: so it should be avoided. It would be better if 'tasksel' avoided passing -q -y to aptitude, and/or if it would ask before deleting 119 packages and/or if it did not use --without-recommends a. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (900, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-amd64 Locale: LANG=it_IT.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=it_IT.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Versions of packages tasksel depends on: ii aptitude 0.4.4-4terminal-based apt frontend ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.11 Debian configuration management sy ii liblocale-gettext-perl1.05-1 Using libc functions for internati ii tasksel-data 2.66 Official tasks used for installati tasksel recommends no packages. -- debconf information: tasksel/title: tasksel/first: tasksel/tasks: -- Andrea Mennucc The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do, and the GPL sounds like it was written by a human being who wants me to know what I can do. Anonymous,http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/420 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#415715: installation-report: installgui does not work with logitech mouse deluxe 650
Package: installation-reports Version: 2.29 Severity: important Boot method: CD Image version: http:http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso Date: 21 march 2007 Machine: Intel Dual core due CPU, Intel MB I decided to give a try to the new gui installer; boot went OK and I was confronted with the language choice; but I could not operate the mouse properly. The mouse ( keyboard) is a wireless USB Logitech, named deluxe 650. Moving the mouse up and down would move the pointer up and down on screen, but moving it left and right did not move it left and right but rather scrolled the list of languages as crazy (it was as if left and right was remapped to the scrolling wheel!!) So I had to abort installation. :-( My suggestion: the GUI installer, as a first step, needs to check if the mouse is working OK. Here is a proposal: a small window is presented saying try moving the mouse around, and click on the nice CLICK ME button; hit enter on the keyboard when done; hit space if you cannot operate the mouse. At the same time a wonderful autodetect gizmo analyzes the USB and PS2 traffic and tries to detect and load the appropriate driver; and if it cannot, when the user hits space, a list of drivers is presented; (or otherwise, it is suggested that the user would use the no-GUI install). a. -- Andrea Mennucc The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do, and the GPL sounds like it was written by a human being who wants me to know what I can do. Anonymous,http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/420 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
just wait more next time, Re: Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch)?
actually, there is no need for tons of documentation: the usage of the package debian-archive-keyring should really automate the whole thing, as long as it is done correctly: 1) release team generates new key and new package debian-archive-keyring 2) users install it : in postinst, /usr/bin/apt-key update is run 3) after some time (10 days), release team starts using new key If done that way, it really works, and we have a trust path, since the new package debian-archive-keyring is certified by the old key. The problem is that , in this particular case, the new package debian-archive-keyring was released 22 Nov, and the new key was used almost immediately : so people using testing did not have time to import it. next time, they should just wait (at least 10 days - but maybe 30days would be better) a. Andreas Tille ha scritto: On Tue, 21 Nov 2006, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 04:50:29PM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Martin Zobel-Helas] gpg --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 (gpg --export -a A70DAF536070D3A1 | apt-key add -) Uh, don't forget the part about verifying that the key is actually signed by the ftpmasters. Skipping that step pretty much defeats the entire point. gpg --list-sigs A70DAF536070D3A1 Try gpg --check-sigs A70DAF536070D3A1 instead. But Hendrik Sattler is perfectly right and this knowledge has to be stored at prominant places like: a) installation manual b) apt-key.8 c) perhaps somewhere else Could maintainers of a) and b) (and perhaps c) ;-)) acknowledge, that this will be done or should we rather file bug reports (IMHO with severity important) to these packages? Kind regards Andreas. PS: debian-boot@lists.debian.org in CC because of the installation manual issue. Forgive me if this should be off-topic there. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
linuxpro
hi The february issue of a href=http://www.linuxpro.it;linuxpro/a, an italian magazine, contains a snapshot of Debian sarge, either as a DVD or in 4 CDs. I bought it; I already have upgraded woody to sarge; but I wanted to try to install it from scratch. It all went reasonably well, but for these issues: 1) the boot loader has the parameter vga=normal (I found it in /cdrom/isolinux/isolinux.cfg) ; the resulting video mode is incompatible with my video cards; namely, first PC is a notebook with a sis630 video; second PC is attached to a television, with a GeForce2 mx440. Pressing F4 at boot prompt, it told me to use the boot option video=vga16:off but this is no help; the html docs suggest to use nolangchooser but this was no help either; I had to fish into Knoppix to find the command vga=771 that does work. 2) I was never asked for the keyboard that I use; so I had to enter all commands by searching for the keys 3) altough there is a general menu, with all install steps, I did not ever see it, but I instead quickly stepped through the installation; so I had no way to choose Grub instead of Lilo, or to tell the installer to NOT install lilo; this was a problem for me, because I lost access to my usual Debian system; since this linuxpro DVD does not have rescue capabilities, I had to use Knoppix to reinstall grub, to go back to my usual desktop. 4) to do this test, I reformatted my 256MB swap partition as ext2; when I reached tasksel, I just choose laptop, and I found out that this needs much more than 256MB; then I ended up in a dead situation, where the disk was completely full, and dpkg was unable to do anything (since it could not even save /var/lib/dpkg/status); there ended my experience at install. 5) by default, people that choose to use tasksel will install gcc and all the companions... why? this uses a lot more disk space, whereas many desktop users do not need gcc at all. a. -- Andrea Mennucc E' un mondo difficile. Che vita intensa! (Tonino Carotone) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bits from the RNE
hi everybody On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:44:19PM +0100, Rob Bradford wrote: As Joey prepares 3.0r1 I believe this would be a good oppurtunity to make request for feedback and alterations abount/for the release notes. (funny that you would ask right about when I was going to write) disclaimer I may have overlooked some document(s) /disclaimer one big difference between potato and woody is in the availability of CDs: now they can be downloaded using jigdo; but the release notes do not mention this (big) improvement; so people that are upgrading their system may not notice it so you may add a line in the release notes, and tell people to give a look in www.debian.org/CD the installation guide may be improved as well: it just says By far the easiest way to install Debian GNU/Linux is from an Official Debian CD-ROM Set (see the CD vendors page). You may also download the CD-ROM images from the Debian server and make your own set, if you have a fast network connection and a CD burner. I would change both the installation guide and the release notes, and add a link; the installation guide may be changed to: By far the easiest way to install Debian GNU/Linux is from an Official Debian CD-ROM Set. You may buy a set from a vendor (read http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ for a list of such vendors); you may also download the CD-ROM images from the Debian server and make your own set, if you have a fast network connection and a CD burner; but we recommend that you read the documents at http://www.debian.org/CD/ before. --- there is another problem: neither the release notes, nor the installation notes, tell the answer to this question which CDs are needed for a small installation and which for a full one? the answer is buried deep in http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#which-cd http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#nonus and it took me some time to find it. I may add that the answer http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#nonus is also not very clear to me, but this is a problem with my english. I think IMHO that this is a relevant info: the installation note should probably say something like that: to install Debian 3.0 you may use CDs sets. A full CD set for Debian 3.0 is composed of 7 CDs, containing binary code; the source code for Debian 3.0 packages is in 7 CDs. To install Debian, you don't necessarily need all the 7 CDs. etc etc and the release note may as well mention that the Debian 3.0 is in 7 binary CDs, 7 source CDs also, they may explain the difference between binary-1-NONUS and binary-1 a little; something like if you live in the US, the first CD in a set is called binary-1, otherwise binary-1-NONUS Please send your corrections/fixes preferably as diff against the version in cvs - debian-boot/boot-floppies/documentation/release-notes.sgml. sorry I don't know SGML... :-( my fault bye and thanks a. -- Andrea Mennucc E' un mondo difficile. Che vita intensa! (Tonino Carotone) msg22269/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
woody install: NFS hangs
hi I am installing woody on a ASUS notebook I am using bf flavour, idem est, kernel 2.4.18-bf4 problems was, vga does not work. I had to boot with the option video=vga16:off Actually, I would propose to NOT USE vga for the rescue disk: this is the 3rd woody install I tried, and all had problems with vga thanks and bye a. ps: I do not receive this list. If you have questions | answers, please e-mail me directly -- Andrea Mennucc E' un mondo difficile. Che vita intensa! (Tonino Carotone) msg20926/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
2c on: kernel 2.4 in boot floppies
hi I would like to spend my 2 cents in favour of the recent proposal by Eduard Block (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2002/debian-boot-200201/msg00437.html) of having a boot flavour with kernel 2.4 Recently I tried to rescue a system which had only one partition done with ReiserFS ; the problem is: the above system had been installed with a recent kernel, and with a recent version of ReiserFS; while the version of ReiserFS that is supported by the resierfs (read: kernel 2.2) boot flavour is old ; so I was unable to rescue the aformentioned system I am in favour of abolishing the resierfs on kernel 2.2 boot flavour altogether, and to substitute it with a new kernel 2.4 plus reiserfs flavour; since the former is also buggy (as E Block himself was reporting) thanks for your attention a. -- Andrea Mennucc E' un mondo difficile. Che vita intensa! (Renato Carotone) msg15184/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
'Releases' is needed by debootstrap
retag 100623 normal thanks hi I have a Debian mirror (of woody) here, that I manage with apt-move; I made some CDs from my mirror (using debian-cd); today I wanted to install a PC using my CDs and/or my mirror it happens that 'debootstrap' (that is inside the latest debian boot disks), when it installs the base system from a medium, it wants to find a valid 'Release' file in that medium so I have tried to install the base system from my CDs and also from my mirror, with no result to be able to use my mirror, I have had to tweak into the debian root disk; to be more precise, I have downloaded the 'Release' files from official sites; and, around line 138 in /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions there is this check --- if [ $md5 = ] || check_md5 $dest $md5 $siz; then ... --- that is performed using the md5sum that is in the 'Release' file; once I disabled it, I was able to use my mirror to install. So: I am retagging bug 100623, from 'wishlist' to 'normal': if indeed 'Release' is needed to install Debian, then apt-move should generate it On the other hand, it would be nice if 'debootstrap' would let people use an unofficial mirror or CDs which does not contain a 'Release' file; moreover, an Unofficial CD will never contain a valid 'Release.gpg' file; so there is no way that 'debootstrap' may check if Unofficial CD is to be trusted (unless this CD contains the same Release and Packages.gz files as are in official mirrors). If there is no 'Release' file, then 'debootstrap' may print a warning, and warn the user that the 'Packages' files could not be checked, and let the user choose if s/he wants to go on. a. -- Andrea Mennucc E' un mondo difficile. Che vita intensa! (Renato Carotone) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
