Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-11 Thread Kees de Jong
Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's? How many people
here use Android? Today it needs 512 MB to function properly. In two years
that could be 1 or 2 GB and that's a mobile OS. How much RAM does your
browser use? My Chrome/Firefox easily uses 1 GB. My GNOME 3.10 desktop
(running Fedora now because I needed a modern GNOME version for Exchange
support for work) is using about 800 MB to 1200 MB. Do I really care? No,
because RAM is cheap and I have 8 GB. Do I need to buy more? No, because 8
GB is still more than enough.

If you can't run GNOME because you don't have the system specs to run a
modern desktop then you can select XFCE/LXDE in the installation menu. But
let's be fair, those people are a minority. And a default should fit the
needs of the majority. And since people easily have 4 GB of RAM or more
these days with the basic 3D acceleration (even a Raspberry Pi can run
GNOME 3) then I would say that logic chooses GNOME. Also because of a ton
of other reasons already mentioned e.g. systemd, documentation, dedicated
maintainers, accessibility, etc.


Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-10 Thread Kees de Jong
Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
desktop environment or XFCE/LXDE. But if you can spare some more time
then you can install GNOME/KDE. Seems like a good deal. And USB sticks
are cheaper (also easier to reuse) so I don't get the 'hurting
developing countries' argument.


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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Kees de Jong
Also: 
http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-as-default-jessie-desktop-2014-08-07-23-58


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