ACPI breakage on Dell Optiplex GX280
I keep running into this bug, so I'm going to note it here so folks have some hope of finding it and understanding what's going on. I just did a d-i run on a pristine (took it out of the box ~30 minutes ago) Dell GX280, 3GB memory, dual SATA disks. everything seems to roll merrily along - the installer works great, as usual, and everything seems to happen properly. until you reboot. when you reboot, it hangs right after init fires up. the fix is to specify acpi=off in the grub command-line before one boots the system. the system will then progress onward in a normal-seeming fashion. [there seems to be some exim4 brokenness on my machine at first boot, but i suppose someone has already reported that.] i'm tempted to think that acpi=off is something that ought to be appended to the recovery-style grub defaults when d-i is installed. comments, thoughts, other fixes? thanks, --elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Definition of COUNTRY (Was: Resignation)
Why? You're never going to make China happy by calling it Taiwan, or Taiwan happy by calling it Taiwan, Province of China. So use the same code zh_TW and let people call the display name whatever the hell they want to call it. how about there just not be a display name for this region AT ALL? just put zh_TW in the menu for location/country, mark it a wontfix bug, and leave a bunch of pointers to the current flamewar/debate, and leave at it that. fixing the bug would require a major change in the china-vs-taiwan political situation, over which no one can exert any real influence. not a good solution, either, but avoids the issue a bit. prevents nationalists from either side from getting their feathers too ruffled. if they still insist on yacking about how their side is right, killfile them. elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: release status update
- both the de4x5 and the tulip drivers fail to work with many DECChip-based ethernet cards in the 2.4.2x series alpha kernels; bug #228654. Both of these sound like reasonable candidates for errata if they're not fixed, and not release blockers. Do you want them in the errata? does this bug affect the onboard tulip ethernet that comes with most of the alpha hardware? if so, its a real bad bug. elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI Radeon
the software, I discovered the kernel will not access the display (x server). I set the default display at gdm, and gnome will not load. The kernel loads and I am limited to command line ability and I must get my machine working. I have had a lot of difficulty installing the system with my current ATI Radeon, pci, and though the distro does support it, I cant get it to work. Any suggestions you might have would be appreciated, more detail would make it easier for people to help you out. a short summary of what you need to do to get your card working: install a recent kernel. run modconf. load the agp and the appropriate DRM modules for radeon cards. then reconfigure X11 so that it knows about your card. make sure you have the appropriate X libs and server installed. you might want to hunt a friend locally there to help you out - its nearly impossible for someone to help you configure your X without hands-on access to the machine. I know there are several big LUGs and perlmonger groups near you who could probably help you find someone to help quite directly elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing debian on S-ATA drives
I have PC with only SATA drives and I would like to install my favourite distro (debian of course;-) but the installer (the latest I tried was the floppies package from the 21st April) does not recognise the drives. It automatically loads kernel 2.4.25-1 with does not contain support for them. 2.4.25 has worked for other people with SATA drives and controllers (including me - intel ICH-style controller), but may not have drivers for your particular hardware. I understood kernel 2.6 contains support for them but how can I make the installer load 2.6 kernel instead of 2.4 ? i hear that joey hess is working on this :) elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who do you have to sleep with / bribe / shoot to get an answer about RAID support
Or doesn't work, as the case may be. I'm just making a request, something that I really think should have been included ages ago if Debian wants to be seriously considered beyond hobbyists. No need to get into a snit and make personal attacks for some one making a request for a feature. Debian has many many many fantastic virtues... being attacked by people for pointing out glaring omissions and saying hey guys, you really should do this if you want to be taken seriously is NOT one of them. If something is not getting any attention, then it probably means that not enough people with the appropriate technical skills give a shit about it. This is usually a good barometer of whether something is useful to the established masses of serious users or not. If you care about it, then you are the logical person to work on those features. I think other people have already told you this. No one works on things they don't care about - you get very bad output if you are 'forced' to do something you don't want to do. elijah Mark Demma iWin, Inc. Senior Network and Systems Administrator http://www.iwin.com/ http://www.playsite.com On 9 Apr 2004, at 23:14, Christian Perrier wrote: Quoting Mark Demma ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): this happen on my own. Its a shame that something this important is No it is not a shame. I maybe overreact because I'm not a native speaker but calling this a shame as we call this in french c'est une honte is needlessly aggressive, especially to people who are currently doing other work on Debian Installer even for getting it install on that old Sinclair. You may regret this, for sure. But, well, this is the way Debian works for years : things are done when someone has enough interest AND skills AND time for doing them. So, sorry to say this, but if software RAID is that important for you that the world should stop if you don't have itmake all your possible for finding someone to do it. *this* is definitely the way Debian works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAfacwTw/rh8k29J8RAiY1AJ9ssWkHo0aoTxf22vj+x7t95jYIIwCggwCr 1PN7pdIOW0Z4CGf0ZXXb1Wc= =Z/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who do you have to sleep with / bribe / shoot to get an answer about RAID support
Excuse me, but how exactly is yet another snobbish tirade helpful to anyone? The do it your own damn self responses are useless, not helpful to anyone and only serve to boost the ego of the writer. Offers to help are useful. Offers to work together are useful. Suggestions of other people working on this are helpful. Yet another snob wanting to feel superior by saying do it your own damn self ISN'T. The -boot list isn't a good place for this conversation, either, frankly. But people would like to see you understand how things work, and so they are trying to work with you. How about a different tack: You are a corporate user. You are asking people to do things for free to help your business run better that you have not yet (as far as I can see) expressed willingness to support. If you want to 'encourage' someone to do something, you could try bribing them with a hardware donation or some financial support. It Can Work. --elijah Mark Demma iWin, Inc. Senior Network and Systems Administrator http://www.iwin.com/ http://www.playsite.com On 14 Apr 2004, at 14:44, elijah wright wrote: Or doesn't work, as the case may be. I'm just making a request, something that I really think should have been included ages ago if Debian wants to be seriously considered beyond hobbyists. No need to get into a snit and make personal attacks for some one making a request for a feature. Debian has many many many fantastic virtues... being attacked by people for pointing out glaring omissions and saying hey guys, you really should do this if you want to be taken seriously is NOT one of them. If something is not getting any attention, then it probably means that not enough people with the appropriate technical skills give a shit about it. This is usually a good barometer of whether something is useful to the established masses of serious users or not. If you care about it, then you are the logical person to work on those features. I think other people have already told you this. No one works on things they don't care about - you get very bad output if you are 'forced' to do something you don't want to do. elijah Mark Demma iWin, Inc. Senior Network and Systems Administrator http://www.iwin.com/ http://www.playsite.com On 9 Apr 2004, at 23:14, Christian Perrier wrote: Quoting Mark Demma ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): this happen on my own. Its a shame that something this important is No it is not a shame. I maybe overreact because I'm not a native speaker but calling this a shame as we call this in french c'est une honte is needlessly aggressive, especially to people who are currently doing other work on Debian Installer even for getting it install on that old Sinclair. You may regret this, for sure. But, well, this is the way Debian works for years : things are done when someone has enough interest AND skills AND time for doing them. So, sorry to say this, but if software RAID is that important for you that the world should stop if you don't have itmake all your possible for finding someone to do it. *this* is definitely the way Debian works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAfacwTw/rh8k29J8RAiY1AJ9ssWkHo0aoTxf22vj+x7t95jYIIwCggwCr 1PN7pdIOW0Z4CGf0ZXXb1Wc= =Z/ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAfbQDTw/rh8k29J8RApGsAKCUZAFOIsUglov5fKSwWsnMqvo6BACeLZyL NP2Ry9uhJA+vpB6pi0Qqjww= =TssS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who do you have to sleep with / bribe / shoot to get an answer about RAID support
You apparently also missed the part of the original message saying I had lots of machines to test on. You also seemed to miss me saying I'd like to work with the ONE helpful person that responded. Granted. And yet again, you have to send back yet another unhelpful, condescending message that serves only to stroke your own ego. I work No, I think you're projecting some personal problems outward onto the world. important feature added, and have said this before. I'm sure there are TONS of admins that use or would like to use Debian but find the install process too arduous because it favors old antiquated hobby systems over server systems. I think Debian is mostly just fine. Please take note people: people like Mr Wright are the #1 single biggest drawback to using Debian. Its a great system, has many great You mean professional admins who run Debian in production environments and eat their own dogfood? I'm sorry to hear that this hurts Debian. No, I don't have tons of budget or free systems to throw around, all I could offer is time and systems to test on. Which is more than Mr Wright has offered. Please stop trolling the -boot list. --elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why does grub-installer prompt for a grub-style disk name?
whatever), devfs, and in the back of most people's minds, standard /dev naming. That's bad enough, but grub-installer adds to this grub's own naming. So I was suprised to notice that grub-install accepts /dev/ filenames. Is there some reason to not use them by default? whoa! that would have saved me a large amount of trouble the other day - wanted to use grub on a machine, but couldn't quite get it working. i guess this would have fixed it. maybe someone should confer with the grub upstream and ask if that's a feature that can be expected to continue to exist? --elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian installer for Apple XServe
BTW, the SATA drive you mentioned previously are only used with the G5 powermac, right ? None of the earlier models have Serial ATA support ? right. SATA was new on the g5 towers. the g5 xServe machines are also now SATA - not that anyone i know personally has gotten their hands on one, of course. [Apple owes us one as a warranty replacement for a G4 that died - they couldn't find an appropriate G4 to ship us, so we get a G5 as soon as one becomes available.] --elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installation report: FAILED on i386
Apparently beta3 has better SATA support. Can you try? This may have something to do with device mapping in the BIOS -- I may not be feeding the right information to lilo and/or grub. Or it may have something to do with the fact that my system doesn't appear to have a 'compatibility mode' for SATA -- lilo and grub may simply not support SATA natively. my dell gx270 doesn't have compat mode for SATA either [in fact the bios is pretty brain-dead] but grub doesn't seem to have a problem with it. what kind of board do you have? i think i missed that detail. elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
beta3 success report
just reporting in with a success on some odd (but nice) hardware here... - Dell Poweredge 2650 (dual 2.4ghz xeon) - 4.5GB of ram - onboard PERC (adaptec) RAID controller plus additional adaptec u160 raid controller for external raid disks - broadcom gigabit ethernet onboard the one thing that i noticed was that the kernel probes the disks in a really screwed up order - the internal RAID drives, which are on the controller that the bios detects first, wind up as /dev/sdc. that's very icky. i think its probably not d-i's fault, though :) i decided it would be OK to just use the external disks for my / filesystem and be done with it. [my first four or five installs wouldn't even boot at all - something in grub-install and lilo-install definitely wasn't coping well with the disk/controller arrangement thats in the machine. one quirk i noticed - our external RAID on this machine is 1+TB. even after i took a few slices off of the front of the disk for swap and other things, partman was reporting that the maximum available size was 1.0TB. That seems a little strange - i was taking not insignificant slices of disk off, and expecting it to tell me something other than 1.0TB. anybody know the guts of partman well enough to say what was going on, there? elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported install hardware for Sarge?
You mean 5 1/2 inch floppies? Unlikely. It is doable, but it's a matter of someone wanting to do it. Of course 5 1/2, silly me. they're 5.25, not 5.5 inch floppies, by the way :) elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installation problems
I have a Dell Optiplex Computer, no floppy drive and the hard disk is a ST3120026AS ATA disk. downloaded only the first CD from 3 different sites. BTW the date of the file is Jan 2003, Is that correct? that installer won't work on your hardware. get one from late february or built in march from the dailies. elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-installer - some oddities
- cdebconf should not use translated strings on dumb terminals. Can you tell why? I know nothing about dumb terminals, googled a bit but did not find anything interesting. This is not d-i related, but #232296 discusses whether English text could contain UTF-8 encoded non-ASCII characters. From your message, it seems that this is a bad idea, but could you please elaborate? dumb terminals, at least in the US, are ascii-only. no clue whether anyone ever manufactured terminals that did non-roman-alphabetic or non-ascii characters. i would think maybe, but i don't know for sure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ICH5/R SATA disk installation
Congratulation and thank you to d-i team! I have succeeded in installing debain sarge direct to ICH5R attached SATA disk in enhanced mode using netinst CD for the first time. great - this makes two of us who've managed it :) :) and its good to know that it works on a newer install image than what i used. I cannot still install boot loader using lilo, but grub I can (hd1,11). I use the following partitions: eh, i had some trouble with lilo on my sata machine too, but i wrote it off as a fluke occurrence. maybe there's something to this... elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ICH5/R SATA disk installation
If you do not mind, could you tell me what kernel options make debian-installer suddenly recognize ICH5's SATA disk? 2.4.24 or better, i think it requires. i dunno, i didn't build the installer in question. some of the earlier (around feb.17 dailies) didn't seem to work, but one from feb. 24/25 worked for me... it isn't really a matter of kernel options so much as of having a kernel that is new enough to detect the SATA controller properly and load ide-disk.o without hard locking the machine. I think that basically means 2.4.24 or 2.4.25 at this point, or a 2.6 kernel. and the boot images don't use 2.6 yet. elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: custom (2.6) kernel for d-i
I'd like to install on a new box that has only an SATA drive (VIA chipset). I understand that the VIA chipset is supported in the 2.6 kernel but it isn't in the 2.4 kernel. i did an install onto an SATA-only machine this past week. one of the images of the beta debian installer worked (boot floppy images on the 100MB iso image), or at least worked well enough that i could mount, format, and install onto the SATA disks. intel ICH5 chipset, in my case - it would be good for someone else to try it out and verify that it worked for them. previous symptom on my hardware had been that stuff would detect the ICH5 chipset, but the ide-disk.o module would hard-lock the machine. i think what i was using were the images from 2/24 or 2/25 - probably was the 2/24 build, since i think i did the install on the 25th. at any rate, you should probably start with the current images and work backwards a ways. elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: partman-ext3 override disparity
partman-ext3_9_i386.udeb: package says priority is standard, override says optional. Partman needs his sidekick Partman-Ext3 to help him format big hard drive partitions. Or something like that; it needs to be standard cause our users want ext3 support, curse them! yeah, damn us all to hell in a handbasket for wanting journaling on the first reboot of a new system :) elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
success report - dell gx270 with SATA disks
just filing a success report - the 'current' (2/24?) sarge bootcdimage managed to install on my SATA-disks-only dell gx270. i'd been fighting it for most of a week. i chose to try it one more time after seeing new stuff roll into the archive last night - the 2/17 images had not worked. one quirk i noticed - it never asked me for network configuration information, at all. i had to go in post-install and edit resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces by hand. one other quirk - i installed with usb keyboard and mouse. asking to use LILO bootloader seemed to harass 'discover' into running and putting the system into an endless loop [some failures detecting hardware - maybe vesafb? system has an nvidia fx5200 gfx card. i also saw some messages about usb scroll by alongside the vesafb diagnostic message, along with a some executable or another dumping core.] . i wound up re-starting the installation and using grub instead. this is not terribly optimal, obviously. anyway, very glad to have this machine up and running - a week of work lost fighting to get a usable installer with SATA support ;) --elijah On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Thomas Poindessous wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:25:40 +0100 From: Thomas Poindessous [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Erich Waelde [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: netcfg broken? (20040224 image) Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:44:06 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 11:45:34AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: netcfg (0.47) unstable; urgency=low * Joey Hess - Use three dots in ellipses for consistency. - Link libiw statically. This is temporary, until there is a libiw-udeb. Joeyh, can you comment on this ? yesterday, i did a change to build/debian/control to add a dependance for libiw27. Please revert this change if you need. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: success report - dell gx270 with SATA disks
just filing a success report - the 'current' (2/24?) sarge bootcdimage managed to install on my SATA-disks-only dell gx270. i'd been fighting it for most of a week. i chose to try it one more time after seeing new stuff roll into the archive last night - the 2/17 images had not worked. Well that is good news, I think this is the first indication we've had that SATA works with d-i. yeah. :) one quirk i noticed - it never asked me for network configuration information, at all. i had to go in post-install and edit resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces by hand. Known problem, will be fixed in tomorrow's images. fabulous. one other quirk - i installed with usb keyboard and mouse. asking to use LILO bootloader seemed to harass 'discover' into running and putting the system into an endless loop [some failures detecting hardware - maybe vesafb? system has an nvidia fx5200 gfx card. i also saw some messages about usb scroll by alongside the vesafb diagnostic message, along with a some executable or another dumping core.] . i wound up re-starting the installation and using grub instead. this is not terribly optimal, obviously. It sounds like the installer crashed. it seemed to. You mention you have a USB keyboard. Did it also work after the reboot into the final system? This is something else we have fixed since beta 2 and not tested for sure. yes, it worked. it did take a minute - the keyboard i'm using (dell-badged keyboard with usb hubs at the back corners - i think they said it was a logitech when we ordered the hardware) took a while to show up. i finally got some console messages about it finding the keyboard's hub right around the time that the first console login prompt showed up. elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
