Re: [l10n] Changes to languagechooser
Quoting Christian Perrier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Following some sub-threads of the giant crossposted thread in -devel and -boot about the Taiwan issue, I made some changes to languagechooser. These changes have been temporarily put aside. They induced too much potential new bugs (though I tested the stuff as cleanly as possible). Languagechooser has been reverted back to its well-known layout. This new version has not been yet uploaded though -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n] Changes to languagechooser
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 07:26:49AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: Choose each and every language/country combination you can, go through the keyboard selection screen, then switch to 2nd console, activate it and get the following variables: First, I second the urge to clean up the keyboard-chooser mess. It's not usable, maybe something like a second screen would be nice. Second, I have been asked (in Russian), which country I am in, these countries have been Russian Federation and Ukraine - in English. I think I have reported this already, but better one more time, than no time Please report any inconsistency you may find So, these are the russian/Germany/de-latin1-nodeadkeys one debconf-get debian-installer/language ru_DE:ru:en_GB:en Don't know if this is okay, looks definitely weird. BTW, it might be a nice feature to be more intelligent: if I choose russian language, but Germany as the country, it is still logical, that I speak or at least understand German. Therefore, there should be another fallback before English - German. One the other note, ru_DE will definitely fail if used as a locale name debconf-get debian-installer/country DE Should be okay, I guess. debconf-get debian-installer/locale ru How is this value used? How will be the locale name combined? ru_DE.KOI8-R will fail and thus I'll get en_GB on reboot? Otherwise, please comment. I know some of you won't like this because we had one keystroke to the install process, but I deeply hope the benefits (simplification) will weight more than the drawbacks. It's really nice and clean. One (IMHO unsolvable) problem is that there is much explanatory text in English on the first screen. I do not have an idea how to change this ATM, one possibility could be to introduce a kernel boot parameter to set this up and maybe some hook inside of the CD itself, so that the redistributors could set this up as they want (german distributors would definitely like to pre-select language to german without taking the users the possibility to change this). -- Nikolai Prokoschenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n] Changes to languagechooser
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 07:26:49AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: Following some sub-threads of the giant crossposted thread in -devel and -boot about the Taiwan issue, I made some changes to languagechooser. These changes are not related to the Taiwan issue, they are driven by some remarks several people made when the method currently used for choosing language/country is described. I am glad to see that you did not strictly follow ISO 639 for language names ;) Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n] Changes to languagechooser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 May 2004 07:26, Christian Perrier wrote: The English names coloumn may appear unneeded. [cut] The locale (fr, pt_BR, ...) name disappeared, but it may be re-added if needed. The sorting is done against it What do you mean? It seems to me the languagelist is sorted based on the English names, not the locale. Looks OK to me. However, the sort order of the list in keyboard-chooser still defies all logic. This really needs to be improved! Currently it is almost impossible to find the correct keyboard layout in the list. The principle is : one translation, one entry. So, there are two entries for Chinese, Brazilian Portuguese is separated from Portuguese, the two Norwegian flavours are there.but there's only one line for French, Spanishand English. I like this. A much cleaner list. Much easier to find what you want. One drawback is losing the one-key America-centric way to install by choosing the default--with the most usual choices, people will have to go into the countrychooser screen anyway. I mostly choose English for language and Netherlands for country for my installations. I really didn't like to always have to skip out of the America list anyway. I'm glad it's gone. http://people.debian.org/~bubulle/new_languagechooser.iso I encourage people and more specially translators to test this image. debconf-get debian-installer/language debconf-get debian-installer/country debconf-get debian-installer/locale I also checked debconf-get debian-installer/keymap. Here are the results for English/Netherlands and Dutch/Netherlands tests. The problem is, I don't know if the values are correct or not :-( Choosing 'English / Netherlands / American English' gives: debian-installer/language en_NL:en (is this a valid option???) debian-installer/countryNL debian-installer/locale en debian-installer/keymap us I think maybe the locale should be set to 'en_US' as I chose the American English keymap (or else the locale 'en' should be properly supported; see #244475). Choosing 'Dutch / Netherlands / Dutch' gives: debian-installer/language nl_NL:nl:en_GB:en (surely this is not valid!) debian-installer/countryNL debian-installer/locale nl_NL debian-installer/keymap nl Wishlist item: I'd really like to see a shortlist of keymaps based on the country that has been chosen. For the Netherlands this should be 'American English' (default, see also #246725), 'Dutch' and an 'other' option. I guess this would not be trivial as such a list would probably also have to be architecture dependent... Hope this helps. FJP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAnz7vgm/Kwh6ICoQRAqCmAKCCLg+HfEY1fos28Lx/MpbW9kTugwCgz0o2 9+JhRjB6jYyn+/lMCZSqQRE= =aa1l -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [l10n] Changes to languagechooser
Quoting Frans Pop ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Choosing 'English / Netherlands / American English' gives: debian-installer/language en_NL:en (is this a valid option???) Yes, this is valid. The second entry is used as a fallback Choosing 'Dutch / Netherlands / Dutch' gives: debian-installer/language nl_NL:nl:en_GB:en (surely this is not valid!) This *is* valid...:-) language is indeed a list of language variants, some of which may correspond to invalid locales (such as en_NL) but at least one being valid It it *not* used for setting the locale and *not* for setting the LANG variable. The purpose of this value os giving a list of preferred languages. For instance, the Ukrainian entry gives uk:ru:en which means that the user prefers Ukrainian, but accepts fallbak to Russian if Ukrainian is not available and English if both aren't available... Indeed, you got exactly the same in beta4...:-) The locale is set by the debian-installer/locale debconf value. That one needs to be a valid locale. Wishlist item: I'd really like to see a shortlist of keymaps based on the country that has been chosen. For the Netherlands this should be 'American English' (default, see also #246725), 'Dutch' and an 'other' option. I guess this would not be trivial as such a list would probably also have to be architecture dependent... No, certainly not trivial. The problem of the kbd-chooser list is first its sorting. It is sorted according to the keymap file name. As debconf/cdebconf do *not* sort the translated lists, this explains why the list seems completely messy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
