Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Junichi Uekawa 

|  Let's first have a working installer on at least a few arches before
|  walking down that road.  However, it is a problem which I was notified
|  of a few days ago: d-i relies heavily on devfs and, well, 2.4 doesn't
|  work on m68k and it doesn't look like it will in the foreseeable
|  future.  So, help with getting this worked out will be appreciated.
| 
| I have an impression that 2.4 doesn't (still) work on sparc32 either.

I have SS10s running 2.4 happily, so whoever told you that was wrong,
it seems. :)

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Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:44:19AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
 * Junichi Uekawa 
 
 |  Let's first have a working installer on at least a few arches before
 |  walking down that road.  However, it is a problem which I was notified
 |  of a few days ago: d-i relies heavily on devfs and, well, 2.4 doesn't
 |  work on m68k and it doesn't look like it will in the foreseeable
 |  future.  So, help with getting this worked out will be appreciated.
 | 
 | I have an impression that 2.4 doesn't (still) work on sparc32 either.
 
 I have SS10s running 2.4 happily, so whoever told you that was wrong,
 it seems. :)

On the other hand, _I_ have a netra (SS5 sun4m) that can't even get
past the PROM screen when trying to boot a 2.4 kernel.

Oh well :)

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Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Noah L. Meyerhans 

| I really wonder when debian-installer will be in a releasable state on
| something like ARM or mipsel or s390.  I'm not convinced we will make a
| release before 2005.

The only arches where d-i actually works are i386 and s390.

| (As an aside, yes, I have started investigating porting debian-installer
| to non-x86 architectures.  This is not because I give a flying fuck
| about them, but because I can't stand the thought that it might take us
| 2 years to release sarge.  Personally, I'd rather drop support (in
| sarge, not necessarily sid) for archs that aren't installable by some
| deadline.)

Let's first have a working installer on at least a few arches before
walking down that road.  However, it is a problem which I was notified
of a few days ago: d-i relies heavily on devfs and, well, 2.4 doesn't
work on m68k and it doesn't look like it will in the foreseeable
future.  So, help with getting this worked out will be appreciated.

Cross posted to -boot and -68k, followups to -boot, please.

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Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Adam Heath
On 26 Nov 2002, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:

 Let's first have a working installer on at least a few arches before
 walking down that road.  However, it is a problem which I was notified
 of a few days ago: d-i relies heavily on devfs and, well, 2.4 doesn't
 work on m68k and it doesn't look like it will in the foreseeable
 future.  So, help with getting this worked out will be appreciated.

devfs support should be removed, in my opinion.  There is still continuing
talk of removing it from the kernel, as distributors(us and the other guys)
have failed to support it.


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Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 07:28:33PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
 On 26 Nov 2002, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
 
  Let's first have a working installer on at least a few arches before
  walking down that road.  However, it is a problem which I was notified
  of a few days ago: d-i relies heavily on devfs and, well, 2.4 doesn't
  work on m68k and it doesn't look like it will in the foreseeable
  future.  So, help with getting this worked out will be appreciated.
 
 devfs support should be removed, in my opinion.  There is still continuing
 talk of removing it from the kernel, as distributors(us and the other guys)
 have failed to support it.

Certainly it will have a hard time working on any of the BSDs anytime soon,
if it relies on devfs more than trivially; they have no concept of it, nor
are they really likely to anytime soon.

Use of /proc should also, prefferably, be limited to traditional /proc
items and not the Linux view of using it as a sysctl area (though there is
nothing wrong with calling 'sysctl' for such things on the BSDs, at least
not on NetBSD and not that I *know* of on FreeBSD).
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Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Junichi Uekawa
 Let's first have a working installer on at least a few arches before
 walking down that road.  However, it is a problem which I was notified
 of a few days ago: d-i relies heavily on devfs and, well, 2.4 doesn't
 work on m68k and it doesn't look like it will in the foreseeable
 future.  So, help with getting this worked out will be appreciated.

I have an impression that 2.4 doesn't (still) work on sparc32 either.

regards,
junichi


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