Bug#152845: debootstrap example

2002-07-16 Thread Geert Stappers

At 5:35 +0200 7/16/02, Matt Kraai wrote:
tag 152845 pending
thanks

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:50:54PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
 I think it should go away too. I suppose a person could want to
 build their own debs.tar if the archive version had been left to get out
 of date, and they needed to install on a non-networked machine. Rather
 a corner case.

Yeah!  Someone agrees with me, so I've removed it.


Okay.

Kind Regards, the submitter of the bug,


Geert




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Bug#152845: debootstrap example
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Bug#152845: debootstrap example
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Bug#152845: debootstrap example

2002-07-15 Thread Matt Kraai

On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 07:08:12PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
 At 17:13 +0200 7/13/02, Matt Kraai wrote:
 If desired, I'll document this in the manual.  I'd rather remove
 them entirely, however.  Why would the user want to rebuild the
 tarball?
 
 
 Leave it to the user to decide if he wants to rebuild the tarball.
 It is good the tell that the tool debootstrap exists and how to use it.
 
 Please document it in the manual.
 Moving it to the Technical Info Chapter is IMHO an improvement.

I'm not sure that this information is useful for anyone, which
is why I'm hesitant to have it in the manual.  Keeping useless
information makes it harder to find the useful information.

Thus, I'd like to hear a reason why the user would want to
rebuild the tarball before I commit to keeping it documented
herein.

Matt



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Bug#152845: debootstrap example

2002-07-15 Thread Geert Stappers

At 17:56 +0200 7/15/02, Matt Kraai wrote:
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 07:08:12PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
 At 17:13 +0200 7/13/02, Matt Kraai wrote:
 If desired, I'll document this in the manual.  I'd rather remove
 them entirely, however.  Why would the user want to rebuild the
 tarball?
 

 Leave it to the user to decide if he wants to rebuild the tarball.
 It is good the tell that the tool debootstrap exists and how to use it.

 Please document it in the manual.
 Moving it to the Technical Info Chapter is IMHO an improvement.

I'm not sure that this information is useful for anyone, which
is why I'm hesitant to have it in the manual.  Keeping useless
information makes it harder to find the useful information.

I agree on the useless informations hides useful information

The Techinacal Info Chapter
 http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/woody/powerpc/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html
is IMHO useful information.


Thus, I'd like to hear a reason why the user would want to
rebuild the tarball before I commit to keeping it documented
herein.

The user is not here to give a valid reason why to rebuild to tarball,
but we can provide him/her with valid information how to do it.




Geert




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Bug#152845: debootstrap example

2002-07-15 Thread Chris Tillman

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 08:56:56AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 07:08:12PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
  At 17:13 +0200 7/13/02, Matt Kraai wrote:
  If desired, I'll document this in the manual.  I'd rather remove
  them entirely, however.  Why would the user want to rebuild the
  tarball?
  
  
  Leave it to the user to decide if he wants to rebuild the tarball.
  It is good the tell that the tool debootstrap exists and how to use it.
  
  Please document it in the manual.
  Moving it to the Technical Info Chapter is IMHO an improvement.
 
 I'm not sure that this information is useful for anyone, which
 is why I'm hesitant to have it in the manual.  Keeping useless
 information makes it harder to find the useful information.
 
 Thus, I'd like to hear a reason why the user would want to
 rebuild the tarball before I commit to keeping it documented
 herein.
 
 Matt

I think it should go away too. I suppose a person could want to
build their own debs.tar if the archive version had been left to get out
of date, and they needed to install on a non-networked machine. Rather 
a corner case.

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Bug#152845: debootstrap example

2002-07-13 Thread Geert Stappers

Package: install-doc
Version: 3.0.24
Severity: minor

At http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/woody/powerpc/ch-install-methods.en.html
is the text

 debootstrap binary-basedebs SUITE=woody VERSION=3.0 \
   MIRROR=http://ftp.debian.org/debian; ARCHES=powerpc

When invoking that, I get,

E: No such script: MIRROR=http://ftp.debian.org/debian


So I think the example given is wrong.

 debootstrap --arch=powerpc woody binary-basedebs http://ftp.debian.org/debian

is a working example.


The debootstrap I use has version 0.1.17

Keep up the good work


Geert




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Bug#152845: debootstrap example

2002-07-13 Thread Matt Kraai

On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 04:09:47PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
 At http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/woody/powerpc/ch-install-methods.en.html
 is the text
 
  debootstrap binary-basedebs SUITE=woody VERSION=3.0 \
MIRROR=http://ftp.debian.org/debian; ARCHES=powerpc
 
 When invoking that, I get,
 
 E: No such script: MIRROR=http://ftp.debian.org/debian

Right, that command is horribly broken.

 So I think the example given is wrong.
 
  debootstrap --arch=powerpc woody binary-basedebs http://ftp.debian.org/debian
 
 is a working example.

Unfortunately, this is broken as well.  debootstrap's
debian/rules files contains the following target:

 binary-basedebs:
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
 
$(MAKE) pkgdetails
 
ln -s . scripts
for a in $(ARCHES); do \
rm -rf chroot-dir; \
mkdir -p chroot-dir; \
DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=. ./debootstrap --arch $$a --download-only $(SUITE) 
chroot-dir $(MIRROR); \
(cd chroot-dir  tar cf ../../basedebs_$(VERSION)_$$a.tar *); \
rm -rf chroot-dir; \
done
rm -f scripts

Thus, the correct commands are

 mkdir -p chroot-dir
 debootstrap --arch powerpc --download-only woody chroot-dir 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian
 (cd chroot-dir  tar cf ../basedebs_3.0_powerpc.tar *)
 rm -rf chroot-dir

If desired, I'll document this in the manual.  I'd rather remove
them entirely, however.  Why would the user want to rebuild the
tarball?

Matt



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Bug#152845: debootstrap example

2002-07-13 Thread Geert Stappers

At 17:13 +0200 7/13/02, Matt Kraai wrote:
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 04:09:47PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
 At
http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/woody/powerpc/ch-install-methods.en.html
 is the text

  debootstrap binary-basedebs SUITE=woody VERSION=3.0 \
MIRROR=http://ftp.debian.org/debian; ARCHES=powerpc

 When invoking that, I get,

 E: No such script: MIRROR=http://ftp.debian.org/debian

Right, that command is horribly broken.

 So I think the example given is wrong.

  debootstrap --arch=powerpc woody binary-basedebs
http://ftp.debian.org/debian

 is a working example.

Unfortunately, this is broken as well.  debootstrap's
debian/rules files contains the following target:

 binary-basedebs:
   dh_testdir
   dh_testroot

   $(MAKE) pkgdetails

   ln -s . scripts
   for a in $(ARCHES); do \
   rm -rf chroot-dir; \
   mkdir -p chroot-dir; \
   DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=. ./debootstrap --arch $$a --download-only
$(SUITE) chroot-dir $(MIRROR); \
   (cd chroot-dir  tar cf ../../basedebs_$(VERSION)_$$a.tar *); \
   rm -rf chroot-dir; \
   done
   rm -f scripts

Thus, the correct commands are

 mkdir -p chroot-dir
 debootstrap --arch powerpc --download-only woody chroot-dir
http://ftp.debian.org/debian
 (cd chroot-dir  tar cf ../basedebs_3.0_powerpc.tar *)
 rm -rf chroot-dir

If desired, I'll document this in the manual.  I'd rather remove
them entirely, however.  Why would the user want to rebuild the
tarball?


Leave it to the user to decide if he wants to rebuild the tarball.
It is good the tell that the tool debootstrap exists and how to use it.

Please document it in the manual.
Moving it to the Technical Info Chapter is IMHO an improvement.



Geert




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