Bug#528489: tasksel: kde-desktop neeeds adjusting for KDE4
Quoting Ana Guerrero (a...@debian.org): Will the kde-standard meta package fit that requirement? Yes, I think it will do. Currently kde-standard is exactly the same than kde-minimal. The goal in the very close future is that kde-standard become something between kde-minimal and kde-full; this a similar to what the old task does, it contains kde-core and some modules. (Actually I think the current list of key packages is too big, but that does not matter anymore) .../... I think that Ana's answer is well suited to answer Frans' concerns. So, applying the patcjh *and uploading tasksel* would be OK, IMHO. Any objections to this ? (please note that I'm OK to apply the patch but, while I could certainly upload tasksel as well, I'd prefer the regular maintainers to do so (looking for the recent past, that would mean Joey or Otavio). signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#528489: tasksel: kde-desktop neeeds adjusting for KDE4
+ Adeodato Simó (Wed, 13 May 2009 11:04:38 +0200): Hello, while trying to get an initial view of migrating KDE4 to testing with britney, I noticed that our taskel-meta-faux package [1] was rendered uninstallable because the kde-core metapackage is no longer provided. It seems the KDE meta-packages have been re-organized for KDE4, and now kde-full, kde-minimal and kde-standard are provided. It'd be nice if you could be looking into updating tasksel to these new metapackages, so that there's a version ready to migrate together with KDE4. So, uhm, things have been moving forward nicely since I submitted this, and KDE4 is now ready to migrate to testing. Now, I think to have read on -boot that installing squeeze is not supported at this stage, until Beta1 appears, so I'd like to know whether I can go forward and push KDE4 to testing already, or if we really need to wait for tasksel to be adjusted. A quick reply would be great, since I wouldn't want to lose this window of opportunity for finishing off this transition. Thanks, -- - Are you sure we're good? - Always. -- Rory and Lorelai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#528489: tasksel: kde-desktop neeeds adjusting for KDE4
Adeodato Simó wrote: + Adeodato Simó (Wed, 13 May 2009 11:04:38 +0200): Hello, while trying to get an initial view of migrating KDE4 to testing with britney, I noticed that our taskel-meta-faux package [1] was rendered uninstallable because the kde-core metapackage is no longer provided. It seems the KDE meta-packages have been re-organized for KDE4, and now kde-full, kde-minimal and kde-standard are provided. It'd be nice if you could be looking into updating tasksel to these new metapackages, so that there's a version ready to migrate together with KDE4. So, uhm, things have been moving forward nicely since I submitted this, and KDE4 is now ready to migrate to testing. Now, I think to have read on -boot that installing squeeze is not supported at this stage, until Beta1 appears, so I'd like to know whether I can go forward and push KDE4 to testing already, or if we really need to wait for tasksel to be adjusted. A quick reply would be great, since I wouldn't want to lose this window of opportunity for finishing off this transition. Please go ahead. Fixing it before the first beta release is still needed though. Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#528489: tasksel: kde-desktop neeeds adjusting for KDE4
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 02:19:17PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: How big would the resulting install be? I'm asking because it is *essential* that the packages listed as Key don't install too large a system as they (plus all their Depends, not Recommends) must easily fit on a single CD (together with D-I, documentation (installation guide, release notes), base system, kernel, X.org, etc.). Will the kde-standard meta package fit that requirement? Yes, I think it will do. Currently kde-standard is exactly the same than kde-minimal. The goal in the very close future is that kde-standard become something between kde-minimal and kde-full; this a similar to what the old task does, it contains kde-core and some modules. (Actually I think the current list of key packages is too big, but that does not matter anymore) The goal of kde-standard is provide what an average user would expect: browser, file manager (those both are included in kde-standard), but also pdf reader (okular, kdegraphics), etc... I think it will be a better selection that what is currently listed key. If not, it might be better to list something smaller as Key package, with kde-standard as a regular package that's to be installed if available. If kde-standard becomes too big, the task can be changed to kde-minimal plus subset of modules. And move the remaining to Packages-list, or even directly list there kde-full (it does list kde now...) But for what we (kde team) have in mind for kde-standard, it should fit perfectly the task. And even after that, regular packages included in the task should also not total too much. Preferably the whole task should be installable from CD1, ideally with room to spare for at least some KDE l10n packages. In any case, from now to one year that we will have to relook at this. KDE upstream is in constantly doing changes and who knows how things will end up for the time that we will be getting ready for squeeze (KDE 4.4 or KDE 4.5 or who knows). Ana -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#528489: tasksel: kde-desktop neeeds adjusting for KDE4
Package: tasksel Version: 2.78 Severity: important X-Debbugs-CC: pkg-kde-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org Hello, while trying to get an initial view of migrating KDE4 to testing with britney, I noticed that our taskel-meta-faux package [1] was rendered uninstallable because the kde-core metapackage is no longer provided. It seems the KDE meta-packages have been re-organized for KDE4, and now kde-full, kde-minimal and kde-standard are provided. It'd be nice if you could be looking into updating tasksel to these new metapackages, so that there's a version ready to migrate together with KDE4. Thanks, [1]: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.release/21309 -- - Are you sure we're good? - Always. -- Rory and Lorelai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Bug#528489: tasksel: kde-desktop neeeds adjusting for KDE4
tags 528489 +patch thanks On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:04:38AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: Package: tasksel Version: 2.78 Severity: important X-Debbugs-CC: pkg-kde-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org Hello, while trying to get an initial view of migrating KDE4 to testing with britney, I noticed that our taskel-meta-faux package [1] was rendered uninstallable because the kde-core metapackage is no longer provided. It seems the KDE meta-packages have been re-organized for KDE4, and now kde-full, kde-minimal and kde-standard are provided. It'd be nice if you could be looking into updating tasksel to these new metapackages, so that there's a version ready to migrate together with KDE4. The attached patch updates the task to KDE 4. It relies in the new metapackage kde-standard that still needs to be updated [0]. The metapackage will need an update in a couple of months or so when KDE 4 is more settled in Debian and to review what to do with libqt-perl, debconf kde frontend, and kpackage. Ana [0] thread about this if you are curious: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2009-April/001254.html --- kde-desktop.orig 2009-05-13 12:57:01.0 +0200 +++ kde-desktop 2009-05-13 13:06:13.0 +0200 @@ -7,25 +7,17 @@ This task provides basic desktop software using the K Desktop Environment. Key: -# This could probably be reduced more. - kde-core - kdeadmin - kdeartwork - kdegraphics - kdemultimedia - kdenetwork - kdeutils - kdepim +# This meta package will install a kde default desktop, but we have not decide +# yet what it should ship. + kde-standard kdm Packages: task-fields Packages-list: - kde - openoffice.org-kde # enable debian menus menu-xdg -# package management - kpackage -# debconf kde frontend +# package management. Need something here, but please, no kpackage. +# kpackage +# debconf kde frontend. This will go away, see #522580 libqt-perl # cd/dvd burner k3b @@ -35,6 +27,3 @@ # This is configured by d-i to be used to gain root on systems with no root # password. It is not enabled by default. kdesudo -# kdeutils recommends this, and it's needed on laptop, and can also be -# useful on desktops - kpowersave
Bug#528489: tasksel: kde-desktop neeeds adjusting for KDE4
On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote: The attached patch updates the task to KDE 4. It relies in the new metapackage kde-standard that still needs to be updated [0]. The metapackage will need an update in a couple of months or so when KDE 4 is more settled in Debian and to review what to do with libqt-perl, debconf kde frontend, and kpackage. Thanks Ana. How big would the resulting install be? I'm asking because it is *essential* that the packages listed as Key don't install too large a system as they (plus all their Depends, not Recommends) must easily fit on a single CD (together with D-I, documentation (installation guide, release notes), base system, kernel, X.org, etc.). Will the kde-standard meta package fit that requirement? If not, it might be better to list something smaller as Key package, with kde-standard as a regular package that's to be installed if available. Key should include only what's needed to get a basic working Desktop, nothing fancy. And even after that, regular packages included in the task should also not total too much. Preferably the whole task should be installable from CD1, ideally with room to spare for at least some KDE l10n packages. Cheers, FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
