Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 08:32:26PM +0200, Alain rpnpif wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 07:10:08PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > debian-installer, as its name says, is for installing Debian, not to > > upgrade it. If you want to upgrade it, the proper way is to use apt, > > aptitude or one of their graphical front-end. > > > > This is therefore the proper way to fix this bug. > > OK, Aurelien. I shall expect the possibility of upgrading with the > debian-installer because I migrate from Mandriva that have an installer > that do that still many years ago. So I had not surprising to do that. > I understand that your choice is to not permit upgrading with d-i. > Consequence: a clear dialog of d-i must notify the user and d-i must prevent > the upgrading. > It's exactly why this bug has been reassign for partman-basicmethods. -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100824122459.gm19...@hall.aurel32.net
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
Quoting Alain rpnpif (rpn...@free.fr): > I do not think that partman is relevant. Forbidden an upgrade of an old > installation is not a good choice for me. D-I has never been meant for performing system upgrades. apt/aptitude do the job much better. I actually don't really know what you're trying to achive by *reinstalling* the system on an existing partition. I may understand that you want to install a "fresh" system. In such case, preserving the old /etc and bringing things back one by one is the most well-suited way. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 07:10:08PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > debian-installer, as its name says, is for installing Debian, not to > upgrade it. If you want to upgrade it, the proper way is to use apt, > aptitude or one of their graphical front-end. > > This is therefore the proper way to fix this bug. OK, Aurelien. I shall expect the possibility of upgrading with the debian-installer because I migrate from Mandriva that have an installer that do that still many years ago. So I had not surprising to do that. I understand that your choice is to not permit upgrading with d-i. Consequence: a clear dialog of d-i must notify the user and d-i must prevent the upgrading. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100823183226.ga3...@arrcuis.home
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 09:06:45AM +0200, Alain rpnpif wrote: > > I'm afraid no. It is even surprising that g-i works where the text > > installer doesn't as I don't see any functionnality difference in that > > matter: re-using existing partitions with a Linux system already > > installed on them is not supported at all. > > I do not understand also but it is the reality. Is forgotten somewhere an > argument such "-y" ? > > I precise that the problem is not that I loss my files in the partition > even some packages know how to preserve, upgrade or include them. The > warnings > of d-i or partman are well understandable. > > The real bug for me is that, being not forbidden on an old installation, the > installation freezes, waiting infinitively an answer from the user that he > can not do ! > > So I think that the bug is from d-i. You must choose : Or give the user the > ability to answer to the questions, or let dpkg/apt-get to reconfigure with > the > defaults settings of the packages such "-y" as parameters of apt-get. > > I do not think that partman is relevant. Forbidden an upgrade of an old > installation is not a good choice for me. > debian-installer, as its name says, is for installing Debian, not to upgrade it. If you want to upgrade it, the proper way is to use apt, aptitude or one of their graphical front-end. This is therefore the proper way to fix this bug. -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100823171008.gh19...@hall.aurel32.net
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
> I'm afraid no. It is even surprising that g-i works where the text > installer doesn't as I don't see any functionnality difference in that > matter: re-using existing partitions with a Linux system already > installed on them is not supported at all. I do not understand also but it is the reality. Is forgotten somewhere an argument such "-y" ? I precise that the problem is not that I loss my files in the partition even some packages know how to preserve, upgrade or include them. The warnings of d-i or partman are well understandable. The real bug for me is that, being not forbidden on an old installation, the installation freezes, waiting infinitively an answer from the user that he can not do ! So I think that the bug is from d-i. You must choose : Or give the user the ability to answer to the questions, or let dpkg/apt-get to reconfigure with the defaults settings of the packages such "-y" as parameters of apt-get. I do not think that partman is relevant. Forbidden an upgrade of an old installation is not a good choice for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100823070645.gb3...@arrcuis.home
Processed: Re: Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reassign 593812 partman-basicmethods Bug #593812 [debian-installer] debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install Bug reassigned from package 'debian-installer' to 'partman-basicmethods'. > severity 593812 wishlist Bug #593812 [partman-basicmethods] debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'grave' > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. -- 593812: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593812 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/handler.s.c.128242703727400.transcr...@bugs.debian.org
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
reassign 593812 partman-basicmethods severity 593812 wishlist thanks Quoting Alain rpnpif (rn...@free.fr): > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:19:24AM -0400, Christian PERRIER wrote: > > I have trouble understanding what you mean by "to upgrade > > initramfstools in mod edebootstrap". > > > > Could you give us the messages that appear on the fourth console? As > > Aurélien was explaining, if something is on-interactive when > > installed, then *this* package has a bug, not d-i. > > > > Unless we can find which package to reassign this bug report, I think > > we should close it. Having D-I to wait indefinitely when a package is > > prompting the user is *normal* behavior for D-I (the faulty part is > > tha package). > > My partition has some conf files of Lenny. I wanted kept it to perhaps > retreive my setup of before. > Installing, I accept that d-i does not format my old partition. When it > saw my config files that conflict with the news, it ask what action to > do with it. In graphic mode, the answers are automatic (--yes ?) not with > the normal install mode. It is here the bug. So, is not in d-i the bug ? I'm afraid no. It is even surprising that g-i works where the text installer doesn't as I don't see any functionnality difference in that matter: re-using existing partitions with a Linux system already installed on them is not supported at all. The installer *does* warn when no partitions are marked for formatting. I think it doesn't warn when users try to re-use an existing partition for / or /usr but, imho, it should. Reassigning this to partman-basicmethods, to which I think it belongs. But, really, the bug is more not warning you thatg re-using existing partitions is not supported than dealing with consequences of it, I'm afraid. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:19:24AM -0400, Christian PERRIER wrote: > I have trouble understanding what you mean by "to upgrade > initramfstools in mod edebootstrap". > > Could you give us the messages that appear on the fourth console? As > Aurélien was explaining, if something is on-interactive when > installed, then *this* package has a bug, not d-i. > > Unless we can find which package to reassign this bug report, I think > we should close it. Having D-I to wait indefinitely when a package is > prompting the user is *normal* behavior for D-I (the faulty part is > tha package). My partition has some conf files of Lenny. I wanted kept it to perhaps retreive my setup of before. Installing, I accept that d-i does not format my old partition. When it saw my config files that conflict with the news, it ask what action to do with it. In graphic mode, the answers are automatic (--yes ?) not with the normal install mode. It is here the bug. So, is not in d-i the bug ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100821160705.ga5...@arrcuis.home
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
Quoting rpn...@free.fr (rpn...@free.fr): > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:40:48AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > > > This is something actually normal. What is not normal is that packages > > ask setup questions directly on the console, this is forbidden by > > policy. Do you have the name of such packages? > > > > I think that it is not normal because the install freezes and I should not > kill > the process to continue. It is a method for experts not for normal user that > install a system. > > Ie : to upgrade initramfstools to 0.98 in mode debootstrap, a request to > confirm > the modification of conf files is expect by the installer but an interactive > answer I have trouble understanding what you mean by "to upgrade initramfstools in mod edebootstrap". Could you give us the messages that appear on the fourth console? As Aurélien was explaining, if something is on-interactive when installed, then *this* package has a bug, not d-i. Unless we can find which package to reassign this bug report, I think we should close it. Having D-I to wait indefinitely when a package is prompting the user is *normal* behavior for D-I (the faulty part is tha package). signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:40:48AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > This is something actually normal. What is not normal is that packages > ask setup questions directly on the console, this is forbidden by > policy. Do you have the name of such packages? > I think that it is not normal because the install freezes and I should not kill the process to continue. It is a method for experts not for normal user that install a system. Ie : to upgrade initramfstools to 0.98 in mode debootstrap, a request to confirm the modification of conf files is expect by the installer but an interactive answer is impossible, so installer waited for an infinite time. The answer should be automatic as in graphic mode of the installer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100821093515.gb6...@arrcuis.home
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 02:01:18AM +0200, rpnpif wrote: > Package: debian-installer > Severity: grave > > debian-installer (netinstall) of 2010-08-19. > With normal mode of install (ncurses ?), it is impossible to answer to setup > questions (configure) seen in the background screen (Alt-F4). The install > freeze. > Only a kill action in busybox can do to continue. But the results of the > installation is not sure. > This is something actually normal. What is not normal is that packages ask setup questions directly on the console, this is forbidden by policy. Do you have the name of such packages? -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100821084048.gy19...@hall.aurel32.net
Bug#593812: debian-installer: Impossible to answer to questions on normal install
Package: debian-installer Severity: grave debian-installer (netinstall) of 2010-08-19. With normal mode of install (ncurses ?), it is impossible to answer to setup questions (configure) seen in the background screen (Alt-F4). The install freeze. Only a kill action in busybox can do to continue. But the results of the installation is not sure. -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-5-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100821000118.3657.23080.report...@arrcuis.home
