Re: Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
On 08/03/2017 02:31 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 07:55:09PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: The gtk initrd is like 38MB, at USB 1.0 speed (1.5Mbps) that's almost two minutes yes. I however wonder how old a computer needs to be to be only 1.0... And how could a 64bit machine have only USB 1.0? Not a chance. I believe I had an Opteron server like that once (one of the first generation AMD64 servers). No idea if it could boot from USB, though. Install was done by CD-ROM (originally not Debian—the port didn't exist yet).
Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
I'm using a USB3.1 stick, according to its marking. And its connector is blue. Attached is a "lsusb -v" output, with the stick plugged in. I boot from the "Transcend Information, Inc. JetFlash" device, that looks like it's connected to a usb2 there. I'm mistaken, ain't I? The target computer has a mix of usb1 and usb2 ports.Bus 008 Device 004: ID 8564:1000 Transcend Information, Inc. JetFlash Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 003 Device 002: ID 413c:2003 Dell Computer Corp. Keyboard Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 03f0:0c4a Hewlett-Packard Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 008 Device 004: ID 8564:1000 Transcend Information, Inc. JetFlash Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.10 bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x8564 Transcend Information, Inc. idProduct 0x1000 JetFlash bcdDevice 11.00 iManufacturer 1 JetFlash iProduct2 Mass Storage Device iSerial 3 25W462G5CWFKZRK5 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 32 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0x80 (Bus Powered) MaxPower 300mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT bmAttributes2 Transfer TypeBulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN bmAttributes2 Transfer TypeBulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes bInterval 0 Binary Object Store Descriptor: bLength 5 bDescriptorType15 wTotalLength 22 bNumDeviceCaps 2 USB 2.0 Extension Device Capability: bLength 7 bDescriptorType16 bDevCapabilityType 2 bmAttributes 0x0002 Link Power Management (LPM) Supported SuperSpeed USB Device Capability: bLength10 bDescriptorType16 bDevCapabilityType 3 bmAttributes 0x00 wSpeedsSupported 0x000c Device can operate at High Speed (480Mbps) Device can operate at SuperSpeed (5Gbps) bFunctionalitySupport 2 Lowest fully-functional device speed is High Speed (480Mbps) bU1DevExitLat 4 micro seconds bU2DevExitLat 4 micro seconds Device Status: 0x (Bus Powered) Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub bcdDevice4.09 iManufacturer 3 Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64 ehci_hcd iProduct2 EHCI Host Controller iSerial 1 :00:1d.7 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xe0 Self Powered Remote Wakeup MaxPower0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
Hi Am Donnerstag 3. August 2017 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > Holger Wansing, on jeu. 03 août 2017 17:38:46 +, wrote: > > Am Donnerstag 3. August 2017 schrieb Steve McIntyre: > > > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 05:18:58PM +0200, Jean-Michel Vourgère wrote: > > > >Package: installation-guide-amd64 > > > >Severity: normal > > > > > > > >Hello > > > > > > > >I recently installed form scratch a Stretch to an old computer using an > > > >USB > > > >stick. > > > > > > > >The "boot menu" show and I hit enter for "Graphical Install". And then I > > > >though it crashed. Twice. The keys don't make the menu move. Caps lock > > > >key > > > >doesn't work. > > > >It actually took 2'10" to show next menu "Select a language". > > > > > > > >I believe section "5.1.1 Booting from USB Memory Stick" should warn > > > >about possible big delays. > > > > > > This is really not normal. What system are you running (walking?) on? > > > > Might be "normal", when booting from a USB 1.0 port or stick? > > The gtk initrd is like 38MB, at USB 1.0 speed (1.5Mbps) that's almost > two minutes yes. I however wonder how old a computer needs to be to be > only 1.0... As I wrote: maybe the computer is a new one, but the stick is an old one with 1.0-only capabilities... Holger -- Sent from my Jolla phone http://www.jolla.com/
Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 07:55:09PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > The gtk initrd is like 38MB, at USB 1.0 speed (1.5Mbps) that's almost > two minutes yes. I however wonder how old a computer needs to be to be > only 1.0... I have never seen a machine with only 1.0 USB that could boot from USB. I don't think the concept of booting from USB existed until we had USB 2. It was just too slow to comprehend trying. And how could a 64bit machine have only USB 1.0? Not a chance. Now if the USB key happens to be a Kingston Datatraveller G3 like the one on my desk, then I can believe it taking forever and crashing. That thing is an unreliable piece of crap that somehow claims to be USB3. -- Len Sorensen
Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
Holger Wansing, on jeu. 03 août 2017 17:38:46 +, wrote: > Am Donnerstag 3. August 2017 schrieb Steve McIntyre: > > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 05:18:58PM +0200, Jean-Michel Vourgère wrote: > > >Package: installation-guide-amd64 > > >Severity: normal > > > > > >Hello > > > > > >I recently installed form scratch a Stretch to an old computer using an USB > > >stick. > > > > > >The "boot menu" show and I hit enter for "Graphical Install". And then I > > >though it crashed. Twice. The keys don't make the menu move. Caps lock key > > >doesn't work. > > >It actually took 2'10" to show next menu "Select a language". > > > > > >I believe section "5.1.1 Booting from USB Memory Stick" should warn > > >about possible big delays. > > > > This is really not normal. What system are you running (walking?) on? > > Might be "normal", when booting from a USB 1.0 port or stick? The gtk initrd is like 38MB, at USB 1.0 speed (1.5Mbps) that's almost two minutes yes. I however wonder how old a computer needs to be to be only 1.0... Samuel
Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
Hi, Am Donnerstag 3. August 2017 schrieb Steve McIntyre: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 05:18:58PM +0200, Jean-Michel Vourgère wrote: > >Package: installation-guide-amd64 > >Severity: normal > > > >Hello > > > >I recently installed form scratch a Stretch to an old computer using an USB > >stick. > > > >The "boot menu" show and I hit enter for "Graphical Install". And then I > >though it crashed. Twice. The keys don't make the menu move. Caps lock key > >doesn't work. > >It actually took 2'10" to show next menu "Select a language". > > > >I believe section "5.1.1 Booting from USB Memory Stick" should warn > >about possible big delays. > > This is really not normal. What system are you running (walking?) on? Might be "normal", when booting from a USB 1.0 port or stick? Holger -- Sent from my Jolla phone http://www.jolla.com/
Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 05:18:58PM +0200, Jean-Michel Vourgère wrote: >Package: installation-guide-amd64 >Severity: normal > >Hello > >I recently installed form scratch a Stretch to an old computer using an USB >stick. > >The "boot menu" show and I hit enter for "Graphical Install". And then I >though it crashed. Twice. The keys don't make the menu move. Caps lock key >doesn't work. >It actually took 2'10" to show next menu "Select a language". > >I believe section "5.1.1 Booting from USB Memory Stick" should warn >about possible big delays. This is really not normal. What system are you running (walking?) on? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com The two hard things in computing: * naming things * cache invalidation * off-by-one errors -- Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Bug#870628: Please warn about slow starts on USB
Package: installation-guide-amd64 Severity: normal Hello I recently installed form scratch a Stretch to an old computer using an USB stick. The "boot menu" show and I hit enter for "Graphical Install". And then I though it crashed. Twice. The keys don't make the menu move. Caps lock key doesn't work. It actually took 2'10" to show next menu "Select a language". I believe section "5.1.1 Booting from USB Memory Stick" should warn about possible big delays.
