Re: Re: Re: 8 more packages
I apologize for my misunderstandings what was written! I read it today again, and think finally got it! ☺ Thanks for patience and little help! Cheers, M.
Re: Re: 8 more packages
In english, please...
Re: 8 more packages
On Mon, 2020-01-13 at 21:58 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 07:51:34PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > My guess would be that installing over WiFi causes 8 packages to > > be installed earlier than happens with a wired install. I could > > imagine that having e.g. wpasupplicant might be deemed a good idea. > > The strange^Winterresting thing was that the ethernet install > listed the number of 1371 packages, WIFI 1363 ... That's what you would expect if Phil's hypothesis about 8 packages getting installed at some earlier phase is correct, since they won't then be installed as part of the bulk install of packages. Ian.
Re: Re: 8 more packages
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 07:56:02AM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: > Have you tested on different hardware? In example yours? > In case the context was/is https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2020/01/msg00068.html that message has | Over here no hardware with _both_ WIFI and ethernet available | for re-installs. And sacrificing an installed laptop doesn't make | sense because what we are researching might be hardware related. Regards Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: 8 more packages
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 07:51:34PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Geert Stappers writes: > > ... > > Yes, I'm curios what is/was causing the difference in package count. > > My guess would be that installing over WiFi causes 8 packages to > be installed earlier than happens with a wired install. I could imagine > that having e.g. wpasupplicant might be deemed a good idea. > > If all 8 of those packages are also pulled in by the later task > selection, then the ones already installed will be missing from the > count for the WiFi install, but the end result would be the same. > > I just had a brief look to see if I could see where this would actually > get done in the code, but failed to find it, so this is just a guess. The strange^Winterresting thing was that the ethernet install listed the number of 1371 packages, WIFI 1363 ... Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: Re: 8 more packages
Have you tested on different hardware? In example yours?
Re: 8 more packages
Geert Stappers writes: ... > Yes, I'm curios what is/was causing the difference in package count. My guess would be that installing over WiFi causes 8 packages to be installed earlier than happens with a wired install. I could imagine that having e.g. wpasupplicant might be deemed a good idea. If all 8 of those packages are also pulled in by the later task selection, then the ones already installed will be missing from the count for the WiFi install, but the end result would be the same. I just had a brief look to see if I could see where this would actually get done in the code, but failed to find it, so this is just a guess. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: 8 more packages
Christmas and "new year" are over, now this "retransmit" And at bottom some "extras" On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 04:13:36PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 09:15:07PM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:43:29PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > > > > > > ( on-list-follow-up ( after some off-list-messages )) > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 11:32:23PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 05:13:03PM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Greetings, Debians! > > > > > > > > Welcome all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found something occur in d-i since stretch and it is present on > > > > > buster. Whenever I installer with Ethernet on my laptop, there are 8 > > > > > packages more than via WiFi. Is this ok? > > > > > > > > Seen the question. > > > > At least I have seen parts of the question :-) > > > > > > > > Please provide the package names of the those extra eight. > > > > > > Got a WiFi.odt and an Ethernet.odt in response of `dpkg -l` request. > > > After some labor I got two identical files, I was hoping > > > to get a difference showing the 8 extra packages. > > > > > > > > > > In case you don't have the package names, > > > > tell how you found the difference in amount of packages. > > > > > > Photos of screen while installing packages explained it. > > > (FWIW Graphical Installer is being used) > > > One said installing 1363 packages, the other 1371 packages. > > > > > > So an interesting problem exists 8^) > > > > > > Please do gather more information. / Please do provide more information. > > > > > > After ethernet installation > > > > > > dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l > > > sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > ethernet.tgz > > > # mail ethernet.tgz > > > > > > After wifi installation > > > > > > dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l > > > sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > wifi.tgz > > > # mail wifi.tgz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It works both ...it's debian! > > > > > ☺ Just ask a question and I'd like to understand why is that. I always > > > > > use the netinst method. D-i is the best linux installer and thank you > > > > > people for doing this tremendous job! > > > > > > > > Thanks for the compliment to the people would made it possible. > > > > Feel free to join us. You already found the mailinglist. > > > > > > Now checking if original poster recieves mailinglist postings. > > > > > > > > > Groeten > > > Geert Stappers > > > > > > P.S. > > > The .tgz will most likely larger as the max size of mailinglist post. > > > So finding another path is needed. I do prefer that I can do `wget URL`. > > > Recieving the two .tgz in two separated emails is acceptable. > > > -- > > > Leven en laten leven > > > > > > > Ethernet... > > [ ... four thousand something lines ... ] > > and > | On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 04:37:22PM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: > | > wifi: > | > [ ... four thousand something lines ... ] > > Both postings contained the same 1575 package names. So we are nothing > closer to what is causing the 8 more packages install. The only difference > seems to be install through ethernet versus through wifi. > > Based upon the timestamp of the email is the last install an ethernet > install. Please do > > dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l > sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > ethernet.tgz > # save the ethernet.tgz > > > Then a wifi install plus > > dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l > sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > wifi.tgz > # mail wifi.tgz > > > Next is sharing the .tgz with us, this mailinglist. Both .tgz Yes, I'm curios what is/was causing the difference in package count. Over here no hardware with _both_ WIFI and ethernet available for re-installs. And sacrificing an installed laptop doesn't make sense because what we are researching might be hardware related. > Please be warned that the mailinglist software has a size limit on each > posting. So some creativity might be needed. Just communicate, so we can find a solution. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: 8 more packages
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 09:15:07PM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:43:29PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > > > > ( on-list-follow-up ( after some off-list-messages )) > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 11:32:23PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 05:13:03PM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Greetings, Debians! > > > > > > Welcome all, > > > > > > > > > > I found something occur in d-i since stretch and it is present on > > > > buster. Whenever I installer with Ethernet on my laptop, there are 8 > > > > packages more than via WiFi. Is this ok? > > > > > > Seen the question. > > > At least I have seen parts of the question :-) > > > > > > Please provide the package names of the those extra eight. > > > > Got a WiFi.odt and an Ethernet.odt in response of `dpkg -l` request. > > After some labor I got two identical files, I was hoping > > to get a difference showing the 8 extra packages. > > > > > > > In case you don't have the package names, > > > tell how you found the difference in amount of packages. > > > > Photos of screen while installing packages explained it. > > (FWIW Graphical Installer is being used) > > One said installing 1363 packages, the other 1371 packages. > > > > So an interesting problem exists 8^) > > > > Please do gather more information. / Please do provide more information. > > > > After ethernet installation > > > > dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l > > sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > ethernet.tgz > > # mail ethernet.tgz > > > > After wifi installation > > > > dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l > > sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > wifi.tgz > > # mail wifi.tgz > > > > > > > > > > It works both ...it's debian! > > > > ☺ Just ask a question and I'd like to understand why is that. I always > > > > use the netinst method. D-i is the best linux installer and thank you > > > > people for doing this tremendous job! > > > > > > Thanks for the compliment to the people would made it possible. > > > Feel free to join us. You already found the mailinglist. > > > > Now checking if original poster recieves mailinglist postings. > > > > > > Groeten > > Geert Stappers > > > > P.S. > > The .tgz will most likely larger as the max size of mailinglist post. > > So finding another path is needed. I do prefer that I can do `wget URL`. > > Recieving the two .tgz in two separated emails is acceptable. > > -- > > Leven en laten leven > > > > Ethernet... > [ ... four thousand something lines ... ] and | On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 04:37:22PM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: | > wifi: | > [ ... four thousand something lines ... ] Both postings contained the same 1575 package names. So we are nothing closer to what is causing the 8 more packages install. The only difference seems to be install through ethernet versus through wifi. Based upon the timestamp of the email is the last install an ethernet install. Please do dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > ethernet.tgz # save the ethernet.tgz Then a wifi install plus dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > wifi.tgz # mail wifi.tgz Next is sharing the .tgz with us, this mailinglist. Please be warned that the mailinglist software has a size limit on each posting. So some creativity might be needed. Regards Geert Stappers
Re: 8 more packages WAS: Possible bug?
( on-list-follow-up ( after some off-list-messages )) On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 11:32:23PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 05:13:03PM +0100, mario.stro...@gmail.com wrote: > > Greetings, Debians! > > Welcome all, > > > > I found something occur in d-i since stretch and it is present on > > buster. Whenever I installer with Ethernet on my laptop, there are 8 > > packages more than via WiFi. Is this ok? > > Seen the question. > At least I have seen parts of the question :-) > > Please provide the package names of the those extra eight. Got a WiFi.odt and an Ethernet.odt in response of `dpkg -l` request. After some labor I got two identical files, I was hoping to get a difference showing the 8 extra packages. > In case you don't have the package names, > tell how you found the difference in amount of packages. Photos of screen while installing packages explained it. (FWIW Graphical Installer is being used) One said installing 1363 packages, the other 1371 packages. So an interesting problem exists 8^) Please do gather more information. / Please do provide more information. After ethernet installation dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > ethernet.tgz # mail ethernet.tgz After wifi installation dpkg -l | sudo tee /var/log/installer/dpkg-l sudo tar cz /var/log/installer > wifi.tgz # mail wifi.tgz > > It works both ...it's debian! > > ☺ Just ask a question and I'd like to understand why is that. I always > > use the netinst method. D-i is the best linux installer and thank you > > people for doing this tremendous job! > > Thanks for the compliment to the people would made it possible. > Feel free to join us. You already found the mailinglist. Now checking if original poster recieves mailinglist postings. Groeten Geert Stappers P.S. The .tgz will most likely larger as the max size of mailinglist post. So finding another path is needed. I do prefer that I can do `wget URL`. Recieving the two .tgz in two separated emails is acceptable. -- Leven en laten leven
