Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 00:17 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 13:17 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Julian Hernandez Gomez wrote: The only powerpc computer that I have (PS3) is the one that I'm trying to install :( I think someone reported that there were images from last year which worked -- I think at this stage installing by fair means or foul in order to have a dev test environment would be advantageous. maybe Rick had other machines previously installed and he could run the cdebconf powerpc version. I do have such machines, and I'd be happy to do that, but I'll need instructions, since I've never done it before. I think Julian has proved that it is cdebcof-get which is the issue. I'd recommend grabbing cdebconf from the d-i svn repo and building a few test versions at various points between 0.145 and 0.146. Just running cdebconf-get from the built source tree may prove informative. Ian. Once again, I have the hardware and the will to do it, but I don't have the know-how. I'm afraid I don't have the time to hand-hold you through the exact steps. Please do a bit of googling etc and ask if you reach a road block that you can't figure out. Ian. If you are willing to walk me through the steps needed to implement the plan of: ... grabbing cdebconf from the d-i svn repo and building a few test versions at various points between 0.145 and 0.146. Just running cdebconf-get from the built source tree... I'll be happy to help in the debugging. Thanks! Rick -- Ian Campbell So little time, so little to do. -- Oscar Levant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Jan 19, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: I'd recommend grabbing cdebconf from the d-i svn repo and building a few test versions at various points between 0.145 and 0.146. Just running cdebconf-get from the built source tree may prove informative. Ian. Once again, I have the hardware and the will to do it, but I don't have the know-how. I'm afraid I don't have the time to hand-hold you through the exact steps. Please do a bit of googling etc and ask if you reach a road block that you can't figure out. Ian. Can you give me at least a clue? Some terms to google for? The URL of a website to look at that describes the d-i svn repo and how to grab something from it? Anything as a starter? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 07:59 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: On Jan 19, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: I'd recommend grabbing cdebconf from the d-i svn repo and building a few test versions at various points between 0.145 and 0.146. Just running cdebconf-get from the built source tree may prove informative. Ian. Once again, I have the hardware and the will to do it, but I don't have the know-how. I'm afraid I don't have the time to hand-hold you through the exact steps. Please do a bit of googling etc and ask if you reach a road block that you can't figure out. Ian. Can you give me at least a clue? Some terms to google for? The URL of a website to look at that describes the d-i svn repo and how to grab something from it? Anything as a starter? Did you even try? The google results for debian installer svn seem pretty obvious to me. All I'm asking is that you try to help yourself, I'm not interested in helping if I'm going to have to spell out everything every step of the way. Ian. -- Ian Campbell Personifiers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but Mr. Dignity! -- Bernadette Bosky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 13:17 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Julian Hernandez Gomez wrote: The only powerpc computer that I have (PS3) is the one that I'm trying to install :( I think someone reported that there were images from last year which worked -- I think at this stage installing by fair means or foul in order to have a dev test environment would be advantageous. maybe Rick had other machines previously installed and he could run the cdebconf powerpc version. I do have such machines, and I'd be happy to do that, but I'll need instructions, since I've never done it before. I think Julian has proved that it is cdebcof-get which is the issue. I'd recommend grabbing cdebconf from the d-i svn repo and building a few test versions at various points between 0.145 and 0.146. Just running cdebconf-get from the built source tree may prove informative. Ian. Thanks! Rick -- Ian Campbell genealogy, n.: An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own. -- Ambrose Bierce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 13:17 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Julian Hernandez Gomez wrote: The only powerpc computer that I have (PS3) is the one that I'm trying to install :( I think someone reported that there were images from last year which worked -- I think at this stage installing by fair means or foul in order to have a dev test environment would be advantageous. maybe Rick had other machines previously installed and he could run the cdebconf powerpc version. I do have such machines, and I'd be happy to do that, but I'll need instructions, since I've never done it before. I think Julian has proved that it is cdebcof-get which is the issue. I'd recommend grabbing cdebconf from the d-i svn repo and building a few test versions at various points between 0.145 and 0.146. Just running cdebconf-get from the built source tree may prove informative. Ian. Once again, I have the hardware and the will to do it, but I don't have the know-how. If you are willing to walk me through the steps needed to implement the plan of: ... grabbing cdebconf from the d-i svn repo and building a few test versions at various points between 0.145 and 0.146. Just running cdebconf-get from the built source tree... I'll be happy to help in the debugging. Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
Hi, I ran the debian-installer in another tty and here is the output (I had to wrote it by hand due to a dhclient error) ~ # set -x ~# . /sbin/debian-installer + set -e + export MENU=/usr/bin/main-menu + . /lib/debian-installer.d/S20speakup + lsmod + grep -q speakup_ + . /lib/debian-installer.d/S30term + . /lib/debian-installer/detect-console + [ -z ] + readlink /proc/self/fd/0 + TERM_TYPE=virtual + TERM_FRAMEBUFFER_TRY=yes + export TERM_TYPE + . /lib/debian-installer.d/S35framebuffer-linux + [ -n yes ] + [ -e /dev/fb0 ] + debconf-get debian-installer/framebuffer Segmentation fault [snip] + debconf-get debian-installer/theme Segmentation fault + theme= ~ # The only powerpc computer that I have (PS3) is the one that I'm trying to install :( maybe Rick had other machines previously installed and he could run the cdebconf powerpc version. -- Julian. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 17:56 +0800, Julian Hernandez Gomez wrote: * Problem seems to be related to the changes made to cdebconf 0.146 (debconf-get segfault) Can you repro in a non-d-i environment with the non-udeb cdebconf? Or maybe by unpacking the cdebconf udeb onto your system? Or by unpacking an installer initrd and chrooting? (any of these will make debugging a lot easier). 0.145 was r59369 in d-i svn and 0.146 was r61813 so I guess you could have a poke/bisect through there. 59369-61813 includes lots of non-cdebconf changes, and many of the cdebconf changes are l10n ones which I reckon can be ignored on a first pass, leaving only around 20 actual commits, assuming 0.145 is ok. Ian. -- Ian Campbell It's the best thing since professional golfers on 'ludes. -- Rick Obidiah
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Julian Hernandez Gomez wrote: The only powerpc computer that I have (PS3) is the one that I'm trying to install :( maybe Rick had other machines previously installed and he could run the cdebconf powerpc version. -- Julian. I do have such machines, and I'd be happy to do that, but I'll need instructions, since I've never done it before. Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
Hi, More hints: * D-I 20091223-00:00 doesn't have this problem (but has other bugs related to dhcp and then the install fails also) * D-I 20091224-00:00 is the first image to introduce the bug. I'm attaching the udeb list diff for those builds. * Problem seems to be related to the changes made to cdebconf 0.146 (debconf-get segfault) Best regards. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: On Jan 15, 2010, at 5:00 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 16:23 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: This bug is still present in the Thu Jan 14 16:08:46 UTC 2010 businesscard CD downloaded from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/ So far as I can tell, this bug has not been looked at by the debian- installer folks. Is PowerPC simply so unimportant that resources cannot be spared to even *look* at a problem that renders the installer unusable on that hardware? It means there hasn't been a volunteer so far. Are you volunteering? Yes. I'm volunteering to help anyone who knows the structure of the installer disks better than I do. I have hardware I can test things on. I have a good general knowledge of Unix and Linux. I can perform experiments and report on the results. As far as diagnosing the problem: It looks like a necessary library is missing, but I don't have the background knowledge to figure out which one, and I don't have the knowledge of the installer disk build processes to figure out how it's getting missed, even if I knew which one it was. As it stands, unless somebody knowledgeable can help me track this down, Squeeze will not be available for PowerPC. That will be too bad. Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org --- udeb20091223.list 2010-01-12 22:08:52.0 +0800 +++ udeb20091224.list 2010-01-12 22:09:25.0 +0800 @@ -7,11 +7,11 @@ bogl-bterm-udeb 0.1.18-3 powerpc brltty-udeb 4.1-3 powerpc busybox-udeb 1:1.14.2-2 powerpc -cdebconf-newt-terminal 0.5 powerpc -cdebconf-newt-udeb 0.145+b1 powerpc -cdebconf-priority 0.145 all -cdebconf-text-udeb 0.145+b1 powerpc -cdebconf-udeb 0.145+b1 powerpc +cdebconf-newt-terminal 0.6 powerpc +cdebconf-newt-udeb 0.146 powerpc +cdebconf-priority 0.146 all +cdebconf-text-udeb 0.146 powerpc +cdebconf-udeb 0.146 powerpc cdrom-checker 1.16 powerpc cdrom-core-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc-di 1.60 powerpc cdrom-core-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc64-di 1.60 powerpc @@ -25,10 +25,10 @@ core-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc64-di 1.60 powerpc debian-archive-keyring-udeb 2009.01.31 all dhcp3-client-udeb 3.1.3-1 powerpc -di-utils 1.72 powerpc -di-utils-reboot 1.72 all -di-utils-shell 1.72 all -di-utils-terminfo 1.72 powerpc +di-utils 1.73 powerpc +di-utils-reboot 1.73 all +di-utils-shell 1.73 all +di-utils-terminfo 1.73 powerpc download-installer 1.24 all eject-udeb 2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-7 powerpc env-preseed 1.43 all @@ -59,9 +59,9 @@ kernel-image-2.6.30-2-powerpc-di 1.60 powerpc kernel-image-2.6.30-2-powerpc64-di 1.60 powerpc libblkid1-udeb 2.16.2-0 powerpc -libdebconfclient0-udeb 0.145+b1 powerpc +libdebconfclient0-udeb 0.146 powerpc libdebian-installer4-udeb 0.69 powerpc -libfribidi0-udeb 0.10.9-1 powerpc +libfribidi0-udeb 0.10.9-1+b1 powerpc libiw30-udeb 30~pre9-3 powerpc libnss-dns-udeb 2.10.2-2 powerpc libsysfs2-udeb 2.1.0-6 powerpc @@ -69,14 +69,14 @@ libuuid1-udeb 2.16.2-0 powerpc load-cdrom 1.19 all load-iso 1.28 all -localechooser 2.20 powerpc +localechooser 2.21 powerpc loop-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc-di 1.60 powerpc lowmemcheck 1.31 powerpc main-menu 1.30 powerpc media-retriever 1.20 all module-init-tools-udeb 3.11-1 powerpc mountmedia 0.19 all -nano-udeb 2.2.0-1 powerpc +nano-udeb 2.2.1-1 powerpc net-retriever 1.24 all netcfg 1.51+b1 powerpc network-preseed 1.43 all @@ -95,11 +95,11 @@ pcmcia-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc64-di 1.60 powerpc pcmcia-storage-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc-di 1.60 powerpc pcmcia-storage-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc64-di 1.60 powerpc -pcmciautils-udeb 014-4 powerpc +pcmciautils-udeb 014-4+b1 powerpc preseed-common 1.43 all reiserfs-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc-di 1.60 powerpc rescue-check 1.21 all -rootskel 1.81 powerpc +rootskel 1.82 powerpc sata-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc-di 1.60 powerpc save-logs 2.39 all scsi-common-modules-2.6.30-2-powerpc-di 1.60 powerpc
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 17:56 +0800, Julian Hernandez Gomez wrote: * Problem seems to be related to the changes made to cdebconf 0.146 (debconf-get segfault) Can you repro in a non-d-i environment with the non-udeb cdebconf? Or maybe by unpacking the cdebconf udeb onto your system? Or by unpacking an installer initrd and chrooting? (any of these will make debugging a lot easier). 0.145 was r59369 in d-i svn and 0.146 was r61813 so I guess you could have a poke/bisect through there. 59369-61813 includes lots of non-cdebconf changes, and many of the cdebconf changes are l10n ones which I reckon can be ignored on a first pass, leaving only around 20 actual commits, assuming 0.145 is ok. Ian. -- Ian Campbell It's the best thing since professional golfers on 'ludes. -- Rick Obidiah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#564150: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Jan 15, 2010, at 5:00 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 16:23 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: This bug is still present in the Thu Jan 14 16:08:46 UTC 2010 businesscard CD downloaded from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/ So far as I can tell, this bug has not been looked at by the debian- installer folks. Is PowerPC simply so unimportant that resources cannot be spared to even *look* at a problem that renders the installer unusable on that hardware? It means there hasn't been a volunteer so far. Are you volunteering? Yes. I'm volunteering to help anyone who knows the structure of the installer disks better than I do. I have hardware I can test things on. I have a good general knowledge of Unix and Linux. I can perform experiments and report on the results. As far as diagnosing the problem: It looks like a necessary library is missing, but I don't have the background knowledge to figure out which one, and I don't have the knowledge of the installer disk build processes to figure out how it's getting missed, even if I knew which one it was. As it stands, unless somebody knowledgeable can help me track this down, Squeeze will not be available for PowerPC. That will be too bad. Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
