Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:10:13PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: sure, but first you talk about having 50 machines and a local mirror and then about the typical user. Meh. We expect users to setup their own machines. The IT department really only deals with Windows. Having a local copy of a mirror saves bandwidth and install/upgrade time. This does not mean we install machines in batch mode. Far from it. They are just one at a time as new people are hired. I tried using cdn.debian.net as my mirror at home yesterday. That was certainly to slow compared to using a mirror I pick myself, at least at that time. It's hard to beat mirrors.kernel.org for bandwidth in many places even if it isn't technically close. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110308150336.ga...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 09:51:00AM +, Miguel Figueiredo wrote: Using GeoMirror [1] (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in the default installation can save decisions and interaction to who is installing and be a more automated process. * Pros: - 'good' default as it should select a nearby working mirror - efficient use of Debian mirrors - less decisions to who is installing - less interactivity * Cons: - Less customization - 'good' default could not be the best default What to you think about it's use in the installer? 1 - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror As someone with a local copy of debian since we have about 50 debian machiens running, having to do expert install to manually enter the mirror would be a huge pain in the ass. So I think that would be a lousy default unless it asks if I want to use that. Some things really do have to be asked. Where to install from is one of them. Now having an option of 'use a nearby mirror' when it asks makes lots of sense, but it must ask. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110307152245.gy...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
On 2011-03-07, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: As someone with a local copy of debian since we have about 50 debian machiens running, having to do expert install to manually enter the mirror would be a huge pain in the ass. So I think that would be a lousy default unless it asks if I want to use that. Some things really do have to be asked. Where to install from is one of them. Now having an option of 'use a nearby mirror' when it asks makes lots of sense, but it must ask. Why not using netinstall with a tiny bit of preseeding? Something like this added to the boot parameters is usually enough: mirror/country=manual mirror/http/hostname=ftp.de.debian.org mirror/http/directory=/debian/ (You still get a normal installer up and running, just that question will be skipped.) Kind regards Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnina4km.sch.tr...@kelgar.0x539.de
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 05:15:02PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: Why not using netinstall with a tiny bit of preseeding? Something like this added to the boot parameters is usually enough: mirror/country=manual mirror/http/hostname=ftp.de.debian.org mirror/http/directory=/debian/ (You still get a normal installer up and running, just that question will be skipped.) Because that's way more complicated for your typical user doing an install than just boot the cd and answer the questions. I am all in favour of having a good default for the mirror selection, but I am highly against not asking about it. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110307171856.gz...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
Lennart, am Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 12:18:56PM -0500 hast du folgendes geschrieben: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 05:15:02PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: Why not using netinstall with a tiny bit of preseeding? Something like this added to the boot parameters is usually enough: mirror/country=manual mirror/http/hostname=ftp.de.debian.org mirror/http/directory=/debian/ (You still get a normal installer up and running, just that question will be skipped.) Because that's way more complicated for your typical user doing an install than just boot the cd and answer the questions. sure, but first you talk about having 50 machines and a local mirror and then about the typical user. Meh. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
Miguel Figueiredo at Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:51:00 + wrote: MF Hi all, MF Using GeoMirror [1] (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in the default MF installation can save decisions and interaction to who is installing and be a MF more automated process. MF * Pros: MF - 'good' default as it should select a nearby working mirror MF - efficient use of Debian mirrors MF - less decisions to who is installing MF - less interactivity MF * Cons: MF - Less customization MF - 'good' default could not be the best default MF What to you think about it's use in the installer? MF 1 - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror Why don't use something like apt-spy to test mirror speed and select the best? Bye Stefano PS: some one is supposed to manage apt-spy as I gave up after receveing one rude email -- Stefano Canepa aka sc: s...@linux.it - http://www.stefanocanepa.it Three great virtues of a programmer: laziness, impatience and hubris. Le tre grandi virtù di un programmatore: pigrizia, impazienza e arroganza. (Larry Wall) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87bp1nhowy@lepre.stefanocanepa.home
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
Hi, On Samstag, 5. März 2011, Miguel Figueiredo wrote: * Cons: - Less customization preseeding and expert mode is still possible... - 'good' default could not be the best default ftp.us.debian.org is a worse default for most people. What to you think about it's use in the installer? I think it should be used, but IMO it should become cdn.debian._org_ first, at least for stable. For sid and testing it's ok without debian.org but a stable install should fetch things from .org. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
Quoting Holger Levsen (hol...@layer-acht.org): On Samstag, 5. März 2011, Miguel Figueiredo wrote: * Cons: - Less customization preseeding and expert mode is still possible... - 'good' default could not be the best default ftp.us.debian.org is a worse default for most people. What to you think about it's use in the installer? I think it should be used, but IMO it should become cdn.debian._org_ first, at least for stable. For sid and testing it's ok without debian.org but a stable install should fetch things from .org. +1 to Miguel suggestion. I was indeed thinking about the same when looking at choose-mirror bugs. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
Hi, On Samstag, 5. März 2011, Christian PERRIER wrote: I think it should be used, but IMO it should become cdn.debian._org_ first, at least for stable. For sid and testing it's ok without debian.org but a stable install should fetch things from .org. That doesn't seem to be that easy, as mirrors would need to be checked constantly, zone files need to be updated constantly too. This will lead to problems due to dns caches, additionally there are problems with dnssec too. +1 to Miguel suggestion. I was indeed thinking about the same when looking at choose-mirror bugs. grml.org has been doing this, but they are appearantly not too happy with that. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: GeoMirror (aka cdn.debian.net) as default mirror in standard installation?
Holger Levsen wrote: - 'good' default could not be the best default ftp.us.debian.org is a worse default for most people. That's irrelevant; d-i does not default to ftp.us.debian.org, and it *does* present cdn.debian.net near the top of the list of choices (but never as the first choice). I think it should be used, but IMO it should become cdn.debian._org_ first, at least for stable. For sid and testing it's ok without debian.org but a stable install should fetch things from .org. It doesn't need to move moved to the .org TLD. It does need to become blessed as an official Debian service. I think we've already done as much as can be done toward that end in d-i, the rest is up to the admins. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
