Bug#782743: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-5
Package: release.debian.org
Severity: normal
User: release.debian@packages.debian.org
Usertags: unblock
Hello,
We have just received a report from a blind user saying that braille
auto-detection in the debian-installer does not work any more for his
device. This is reported as bug report #782732. I could reproduce the
issue, and fix it. This is pretty bad because it matters for 4 brands
(Albatross, Cebra, HumanWare and HandyTech) of braille devices of the
30 supported brands, among which HumanWare and HandyTech are AIUI very
commonly found. The price of such device makes it unaffordable for their
user to use a replacement device, so they really have no way install
debian 8.0 by themselves.
What happens is that these braille devices use the same USB ID,
0403:6001, because their manufacturers were too lazy to change the
USB-to-serial chip ID. So when one of these is connected, brltty has
to try the 4 different drivers for these various devices, which happens
to work fine because the protocols are different enough for this to be
safe.
However, the probing function of one of those drivers, Albatross,
actually uses an infinite loop, keeping trying between 19200 bauds and
9600 bauds. As a result, when brltty tries it, it gets stuck inside
that probing loop. It happens that in the past the driver would get
an open error at some point, thus breaking its loop and letting other
drivers try their protocol. This open error has apparently been fixed
in the latest version of brltty, and thus the probing gets stuck inside
the Albatross driver. In the attached change which I have uploaded to
unstable, I change this infinite loop into a simple loop over the two
19200 and 9600 bauds values, i.e. the driver will just try them both,
and if they both fail, notice the end of available baud possibilities,
thus abort, and thus let the brltty core give other drivers a chance to
do their probing, before the brltty core tries Albatross again. This
infinite loop inside the Albatross driver was indeed spurious since the
brltty core already performs it.
I'm Cc-ing debian-boot for udeb confirmation.
Thanks,
Samuel
unblock brltty/5.2~20141018-5
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 8.0
APT prefers buildd-unstable
APT policy: (500, 'buildd-unstable'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'),
(500, 'stable'), (500, 'oldstable'), (1, 'buildd-experimental'), (1,
'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386
Kernel: Linux 4.0.0 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
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Samuel
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Samuel
The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels
off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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Samuel
"I once witnessed a long-winded, month-long flamewar over the use of
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(By Matt Welsh)
diff -Nru brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/changelog
brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/changelog
--- brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/changelog2015-02-15 02:25:15.0
+0100
+++ brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/changelog2015-04-16 23:20:11.0
+0200
@@ -1,3 +1,10 @@
+brltty (5.2~20141018-5) unstable; urgency=high
+
+ * patches/60-albatross.patch: Fix probing loop stuck inside the albatross
+driver (Closes: #782732).
+
+ -- Samuel Thibault Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:19:16 +0200
+
brltty (5.2~20141018-4) unstable; urgency=medium
* patches/git-9337089: Fix xbrlapi into really not writing anything when
diff -Nru brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/60-albatross.patch
brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/60-albatross.patch
--- brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/60-albatross.patch 1970-01-01
01:00:00.0 +0100
+++ brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/60-albatross.patch 2015-04-16
22:40:26.0 +0200
@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+diff --git a/Drivers/Braille/Albatross/braille.c
b/Drivers/Braille/Albatross/braille.c
+index e15d32b..27c504c 100644
+--- a/Drivers/Braille/Albatross/braille.c
b/Drivers/Braille/Albatross/braille.c
+@@ -478,7 +478,7 @@ brl_construct (BrailleDisplay *brl, char **parameters,
const char *device) {
+ if (afterTimePeriod(&period, NULL)) break;
+ }
+
+- if (!*++baud) baud = baudTable;
++ if (!*++baud) break;
+ }
+
+ io->closePort();
diff -Nru brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/series
brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/series
--- brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/series 2015-02-11 19:59:38.0
+0100
+++ brltty-5.2~20141018/debian/patches/series 2015-04-16 22:41:19.0
+0200
@@ -6,3 +6,4 @@
git-a7123d7
git-2421eda
git-9337089
+60-albatross.patch
Re: Document syntax for X-Debbugs-CC with more than one mail address [ Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2 ]
Hi, Holger Wansing wrote: > Hi, > > Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Montag, 1. Dezember 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-boot@lists.debian.org > > > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org > > > > > > I then guess bts only keep the last one. > > > > seperating them with commas on the same line works. > > Maybe it should be documented on > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, how to insert more than one > mail address to a X-Debbugs-Cc: line? > > I have prepared a patch, attached. > > > debian-www in CC. There was a typo in that patch (missing word, "to more than one address"), ^^^ here's a new one: Index: english/Bugs/Reporting.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml,v retrieving revision 1.79 diff -u -r1.79 Reporting.wml --- english/Bugs/Reporting.wml 30 Apr 2014 06:29:26 - 1.79 +++ english/Bugs/Reporting.wml 20 Dec 2014 22:16:09 - @@ -216,6 +216,9 @@ to the address(es) in the X-Debbugs-CC line as well as to debian-bugs-dist. +If you want to sent copies to more than one address, add them +comma-separated in only one X-Debbugs-CC line. + Avoid sending such copies to the addresses of other bug reports, as they will be caught by the checks that prevent mail loops. There is relatively little point in using X-Debbugs-CC for this -- Created with Sylpheed 3.2.0 under D E B I A N L I N U X 7 . 0 W H E E Z Y ! Registered Linux User #311290 - https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141220232631.3d1aa788b40c52434cbba...@wansing-online.de
Re: Bug#771607: Re : Re: Re : Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Jonathan Wiltshire, le Fri 12 Dec 2014 21:37:10 +, a écrit : > This discussion seems to have run into the sand. Indeed. > Is there any news? Well, nothing more than what was said, actually, to sum it up: - MATE is a bit more accessible than Gnome with the Orca screen reader - MATE however doesn't have screen magnification, - gnome does have integrated magnification, even if not very good. So it seems that gnome is a good default, in that it has decent support for a wide range of disabilities. MATE would however be preferrable for people who need to use the Orca screen reader, thus the proposal to automatically tune the default desktop from d-i itself. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141214190916.gs2...@type.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr
Re: Bug#771607: Re : Re: Re : Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Control: tag -1 moreinfo On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 01:21:27PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 13:14:07 +0100, a écrit : > > - Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 12:06:35 +0100, a écrit : > > > > and MATE is much more suit when we try to have a universal desktop with > > > > braille, speech and magnifying, in particular due to its visual > > > > customization capabilities, disappeared in gnome. > > > > > > Mmm, but do we have magnification support in MATE? AIUI we don't. > > > > At least there are much themes, large customizations (font, characters, > > colours of various items such as windows edges, areas, etc). > > It gives lesser choices in some areas, but isn't the lack of > magnification support a problem? > > I mean AIUI gnome seems like a good default since it has support for a > large range of accessibility features, even if it's not as good at some > of them as MATE can be. MATE, on the other hand, is notably missing > magnification, which I think will be a real concern for quite a few > people (as in: not usable at all), and AIUI MATE customizations will not > be enough to deal with that. > > > Moreover, compiz can be easily implemented (Luca is doing). > > Please remember that we are talking about Jessie, not a downstream of > Jessie. This discussion seems to have run into the sand. Is there any news? -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Document syntax for X-Debbugs-CC with more than one mail address [ Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2 ]
Hi, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Montag, 1. Dezember 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-boot@lists.debian.org > > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org > > > > I then guess bts only keep the last one. > > seperating them with commas on the same line works. Maybe it should be documented on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, how to insert more than one mail address to a X-Debbugs-Cc: line? I have prepared a patch, attached. debian-www in CC. So long Holger -- Created with Sylpheed 3.2.0 under the new D E B I A N L I N U X 7 . 0 W H E E Z Y ! Registered Linux User #311290 - https://linuxcounter.net/ Index: english/Bugs/Reporting.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml,v retrieving revision 1.79 diff -u -r1.79 Reporting.wml --- english/Bugs/Reporting.wml 30 Apr 2014 06:29:26 - 1.79 +++ english/Bugs/Reporting.wml 3 Dec 2014 10:26:09 - @@ -216,6 +216,9 @@ to the address(es) in the X-Debbugs-CC line as well as to debian-bugs-dist. +If you want to sent copies to more than address, add them +comma-separated in only one X-Debbugs-CC line. + Avoid sending such copies to the addresses of other bug reports, as they will be caught by the checks that prevent mail loops. There is relatively little point in using X-Debbugs-CC for this
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
- Samuel Thibault a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 13:14:07 +0100, a écrit : > > - Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 12:06:35 +0100, a écrit : > > > > and MATE is much more suit when we try to have a universal desktop with > > > > braille, speech and magnifying, in particular due to its visual > > > > customization capabilities, disappeared in gnome. > > > > > > Mmm, but do we have magnification support in MATE? AIUI we don't. > > > > At least there are much themes, large customizations (font, characters, > > colours of various items such as windows edges, areas, etc). > > It gives lesser choices in some areas, but isn't the lack of > magnification support a problem? That's likely a good reason to maintain GNOME by default, and enable MATE by default when a user uses braille and speech. Indeed, the magnifying feature in GNOME is not enough for people who need strong magnification with cursor following, but it works for other people so it is better than nothing. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1347390422.389120207.1417439545935.javamail.r...@zimbra63-e11.priv.proxad.net
Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 13:14:07 +0100, a écrit : > - Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 12:06:35 +0100, a écrit : > > > and MATE is much more suit when we try to have a universal desktop with > > > braille, speech and magnifying, in particular due to its visual > > > customization capabilities, disappeared in gnome. > > > > Mmm, but do we have magnification support in MATE? AIUI we don't. > > At least there are much themes, large customizations (font, characters, > colours of various items such as windows edges, areas, etc). It gives lesser choices in some areas, but isn't the lack of magnification support a problem? I mean AIUI gnome seems like a good default since it has support for a large range of accessibility features, even if it's not as good at some of them as MATE can be. MATE, on the other hand, is notably missing magnification, which I think will be a real concern for quite a few people (as in: not usable at all), and AIUI MATE customizations will not be enough to deal with that. > Moreover, compiz can be easily implemented (Luca is doing). Please remember that we are talking about Jessie, not a downstream of Jessie. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201122127.gv3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re : Re: Re : Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
- Samuel Thibault a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 12:06:35 +0100, a écrit : > > and MATE is much more suit when we try to have a universal desktop with > > braille, speech and magnifying, in particular due to its visual > > customization capabilities, disappeared in gnome. > > Mmm, but do we have magnification support in MATE? AIUI we don't. At least there are much themes, large customizations (font, characters, colours of various items such as windows edges, areas, etc). Moreover, compiz can be easily implemented (Luca is doing). Regards, > Samuel > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201113513.gj3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1524895324.388935030.1417436047638.javamail.r...@zimbra63-e11.priv.proxad.net
Re: Re : Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 12:06:35 +0100, a écrit : > and MATE is much more suit when we try to have a universal desktop with > braille, speech and magnifying, in particular due to its visual customization > capabilities, disappeared in gnome. Mmm, but do we have magnification support in MATE? AIUI we don't. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201113513.gj3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re : Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
> > > which seems to enact that gnome is fine enough. > > Yes, again, gnome *is* fine enough. But can't we fine-tune the default > when we know for sure that the user is using braille? Notably since it > seems we'd better go with gnome with its integrated magnifier for people > with low vision, and we'd better go with MATE for people using braille? > > Samuel Note that when we say Gnome is fine enough, it's because we are aware of the fact Debian won't choose Mate by default and that the hesitation is between gnome and xfce. And from this point of view, yes, gnome is better. But the fact is it is still hard to use, and MATE is much more suit when we try to have a universal desktop with braille, speech and magnifying, in particular due to its visual customization capabilities, disappeared in gnome. thats why it is a good idea, instead of proposing to a low visual or blind user a bad experience he will feel too complex, not suitable, etc, to propose to it immediately Mate if we know he uses braille or seppch, so that the user experinece to be directly good. let's add also that it is relevant given otherwise, the screen=black setting in the installer (which displays a contrast interface) is not present at reboot. With mate, even if not present, the user can easily find again contrast and other visual costomisations. regards > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201105719.gg3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2143654123.388693709.1417431995719.javamail.r...@zimbra63-e11.priv.proxad.net
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 11:36:06 +0100, a écrit : > > Well, I don't remember an announcement about it. I didn't know that > > the choice had been actually really settled,[...] > > Well, you could have asked; Well, that's what I am doing. I guess my timeout value was just too large. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201105946.gh3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 11:36:06 +0100, a écrit : > > It seemed clear to me, except that since at the time the poll was done > > MATE was actually not among the choices in the evaluation chart (and not > > even a task), Jean-Philippe made it a special case. > > !! > > “[…] I think Debian won't choose it. So, alternatively, I suggest gnome […]” At the time, MATE wasn't even a task, so that's why Jean-Philippe said he believed Debian would of course not choose it as a default. > which seems to enact that gnome is fine enough. Yes, again, gnome *is* fine enough. But can't we fine-tune the default when we know for sure that the user is using braille? Notably since it seems we'd better go with gnome with its integrated magnifier for people with low vision, and we'd better go with MATE for people using braille? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201105719.gg3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Samuel Thibault (2014-12-01): > Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 10:39:17 +0100, a écrit : > > With the tasksel/3.25 upload and the default switch back to gnome, it > > looked to me that the accessibility side was taken care of. > > What do you mean by "taken care of"? > > If you mean fixing them, the few accessibility issues that gnome 3.14 > aren't easy to fix, and thus most probably won't be fixed for Jessie. I didn't see specific bug numbers by the way, but I rather meant what follows: > If you mean taking accessibility into account when chosing the default > desktop, well I thought it was done according to the version of the > chart at the time: > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie?action=recall&rev=28 > which clearly says that MATE is the best choice for accessibility, by a > short preference over gnome, and that gnome was preferred over MATE for > some other reason. Joey? > > Note that I'm not saying gnome is very bad for accessibility: as the > chart says it's fine enough. But for the best accessible usability, > MATE is preferrable, thus the idea of tuning the default for the case of > braille & speech. I understand that now, but not the reason for the delay. > Also note that it doesn't mean that accessibility shouldn't be taken > into account for the default desktop. There is still the common case of > a computer installed before knowing that a disabled person will want to > use it. > > > Since the wiki page seems to have been updated to include results from > > [1], > > A long time ago, yes. > > > and since [1] didn't exactly call for mate as the default desktop, > > ?? > > “MATE, not in this benchmarking, is the best solution.” > > “I'm sure MATE is the ideal solution now, given it's accessible for a > lot of disabilities and also for sight people” > > It seemed clear to me, except that since at the time the poll was done > MATE was actually not among the choices in the evaluation chart (and not > even a task), Jean-Philippe made it a special case. !! “[…] I think Debian won't choose it. So, alternatively, I suggest gnome […]” which seems to enact that gnome is fine enough. > > I'm still surprised this topic is only being brought up now. There > > were almost 2-3 months to do so. > > Well, I don't remember an announcement about it. I didn't know that > the choice had been actually really settled, particularly since there > were edits on the wiki page since them. I was however seeing the > distribution getting more and more frozen, and thus the current "gnome > default" getting more and more settled. Well, you could have asked; I never quite doubted we would be switching back to gnome; and that having no further input we would stick to it; and that part of the reason for that was accessibility. > > 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/09/msg8.html > > > > (That also says compiz works inside MATE, but I only see compiz in > > oldstable, so…) > > Indeed, since we didn't manage to package compiz in time for Jessie, > AIUI MATE doesn't have a magnifier. AIUI we still prefer MATE for the > braille case at least. Jean-Philippe ? Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Hello, Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 10:39:17 +0100, a écrit : > With the tasksel/3.25 upload and the default switch back to gnome, it > looked to me that the accessibility side was taken care of. What do you mean by "taken care of"? If you mean fixing them, the few accessibility issues that gnome 3.14 aren't easy to fix, and thus most probably won't be fixed for Jessie. If you mean taking accessibility into account when chosing the default desktop, well I thought it was done according to the version of the chart at the time: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie?action=recall&rev=28 which clearly says that MATE is the best choice for accessibility, by a short preference over gnome, and that gnome was preferred over MATE for some other reason. Joey? Note that I'm not saying gnome is very bad for accessibility: as the chart says it's fine enough. But for the best accessible usability, MATE is preferrable, thus the idea of tuning the default for the case of braille & speech. Also note that it doesn't mean that accessibility shouldn't be taken into account for the default desktop. There is still the common case of a computer installed before knowing that a disabled person will want to use it. > Since the wiki page seems to have been updated to include results from > [1], A long time ago, yes. > and since [1] didn't exactly call for mate as the default desktop, ?? “MATE, not in this benchmarking, is the best solution.” “I'm sure MATE is the ideal solution now, given it's accessible for a lot of disabilities and also for sight people” It seemed clear to me, except that since at the time the poll was done MATE was actually not among the choices in the evaluation chart (and not even a task), Jean-Philippe made it a special case. > I'm still surprised this topic is only being brought up now. There > were almost 2-3 months to do so. Well, I don't remember an announcement about it. I didn't know that the choice had been actually really settled, particularly since there were edits on the wiki page since them. I was however seeing the distribution getting more and more frozen, and thus the current "gnome default" getting more and more settled. > 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/09/msg8.html > > (That also says compiz works inside MATE, but I only see compiz in > oldstable, so…) Indeed, since we didn't manage to package compiz in time for Jessie, AIUI MATE doesn't have a magnifier. AIUI we still prefer MATE for the braille case at least. Jean-Philippe ? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201102256.gf3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Samuel Thibault (2014-12-01): > Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 09:41:20 +0100, a écrit : > > > As it seems that Jessie will install the gnome desktop by default, I > > > would like to upload the attached changes. The idea is that the most > > > accessible desktop we have in Debian is MATE > > > > Why are we learning about this only now? > > ?? > This has been written on > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie > for a long time already. With the tasksel/3.25 upload and the default switch back to gnome, it looked to me that the accessibility side was taken care of. Since the wiki page seems to have been updated to include results from [1], and since [1] didn't exactly call for mate as the default desktop, I'm still surprised this topic is only being brought up now. There were almost 2-3 months to do so. 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/09/msg8.html (That also says compiz works inside MATE, but I only see compiz in oldstable, so…) > > I only stumbled upon your mail because I'm subscribed to -accessibility@, > > adding -boot@ to Cc… > > Hum... I had put > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-boot@lists.debian.org > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org > > I then guess bts only keep the last one. (Adding back -accessibility@ as well.) Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
On Montag, 1. Dezember 2014, Samuel Thibault wrote: > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-boot@lists.debian.org > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org > > I then guess bts only keep the last one. seperating them with commas on the same line works. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 01 Dec 2014 09:41:20 +0100, a écrit : > > As it seems that Jessie will install the gnome desktop by default, I > > would like to upload the attached changes. The idea is that the most > > accessible desktop we have in Debian is MATE > > Why are we learning about this only now? ?? This has been written on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie for a long time already. > I only stumbled upon your mail because I'm subscribed to -accessibility@, > adding -boot@ to Cc… Hum... I had put X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-boot@lists.debian.org X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org I then guess bts only keep the last one. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141201084738.ga3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#771607: unblock: brltty/5.2~20141018-2
Samuel Thibault (2014-12-01):
> Package: release.debian.org
> Severity: normal
> User: release.debian@packages.debian.org
> Usertags: unblock
>
> unblock brltty/5.2~20141018-3
> unblock espeakup/1:0.71-19
>
> Hello,
>
> As it seems that Jessie will install the gnome desktop by default, I
> would like to upload the attached changes. The idea is that the most
> accessible desktop we have in Debian is MATE
Why are we learning about this only now?
> so the attached changes
> make MATE the default desktop instead of gnome when either braille or
> software speech was used during installation, while still allowing
> normal preseed to override it. Do debian-boot and debian-release agree
> with this?
I only stumbled upon your mail because I'm subscribed to -accessibility@,
adding -boot@ to Cc…
> Samuel
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: jessie/sid
> APT prefers testing
> APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'buildd-unstable'), (500, 'unstable'),
> (500, 'stable'), (500, 'oldstable'), (1, 'experimental')
> Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
> Foreign Architectures: i386
>
> Kernel: Linux 3.17.0 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
> Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
> commit 7f87d43be214c27efcf9db80f2e803a3dbad51d1
> Author: Samuel Thibault
> Date: Mon Dec 1 00:35:26 2014 +0100
>
> brltty-udeb.sh: Preseed installing MATE desktop by default when brltty is
> used in d-i
>
> diff --git a/debian/brltty-udeb.postinst b/debian/brltty-udeb.postinst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000..5e65678
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/debian/brltty-udeb.postinst
> @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@
> +#!/bin/sh
> +[ -n "$(debconf-get tasksel/desktop)" ] || debconf-set-selections
> /usr/share/brltty-udeb/mate-preseed.cfg
> +exit 0
> diff --git a/debian/changelog b/debian/changelog
> index 53f192b..c72c61b 100644
> --- a/debian/changelog
> +++ b/debian/changelog
> @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@
> +brltty (5.2~20141018-3) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium
> +
> + * brltty-udeb.sh: Preseed installing MATE desktop by default when brltty is
> +used in d-i.
> +
> + -- Samuel Thibault Sat, 22 Nov 2014 01:24:45 +0100
> +
> brltty (5.2~20141018-2) unstable; urgency=medium
>
>* patches/git-a7123d7: Fix brlapi output with the NoScreen screen driver.
> diff --git a/debian/control b/debian/control
> index 2fc2a81..ddcd343 100644
> --- a/debian/control
> +++ b/debian/control
> @@ -202,9 +202,10 @@ Package: brltty-udeb
> Architecture: any
> Package-Type: udeb
> Section: debian-installer
> -Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
> +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, preseed-common
> Description: Access software for a blind person using a braille display
> This is a small version of brltty, optimized for use on install media.
> +XB-Installer-Menu-Item: 1050
>
> Package: brltty-x11
> Architecture: any
> diff --git a/debian/mate-preseed.cfg b/debian/mate-preseed.cfg
> new file mode 100644
> index 000..87113cb
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/debian/mate-preseed.cfg
> @@ -0,0 +1 @@
> +tasksel tasksel/desktop multiselect mate
> diff --git a/debian/rules b/debian/rules
> index 591a6ff..b702459 100755
> --- a/debian/rules
> +++ b/debian/rules
> @@ -240,6 +240,8 @@ brltty-udeb: build-udeb
> chmod +x debian/$@/lib/udev/brltty.sh
> cp debian/brltty-udeb.sh debian/$@/lib/brltty/brltty.sh
> chmod +x debian/$@/lib/brltty/brltty.sh
> + mkdir -p debian/$@/usr/share/brltty-udeb
> + cp debian/mate-preseed.cfg
> debian/$@/usr/share/brltty-udeb/mate-preseed.cfg
> dh_strip -p$@
> dh_fixperms -p$@
> dh_installdeb -p$@
> @@ -247,7 +249,7 @@ brltty-udeb: build-udeb
> dh_gencontrol -p$@
> # Check that we didn't accidentally link against something outside of
> # d-i world
> - grep Depends: debian/brltty-udeb/DEBIAN/control | perl -ne 'map {unless
> (/-udeb/) {print $$_; exit 1}} split /,/'
> + grep Depends: debian/brltty-udeb/DEBIAN/control | perl -ne 'map {unless
> (/-udeb/ or /^ ?preseed-common$$/) {print $$_; exit 1}} split /,/'
> dh_builddeb -p$@
>
> .PHONY: brltty brltty-udeb build build-indep build-arch build-brltty
> build-udeb clean binary-indep binary-arch binary
> commit 42985d7db76cf4ae4f3b193be549bdb855044ce3
> Author: Samuel Thibault
> Date: Mon Dec 1 00:35:18 2014 +0100
>
> espeakup-udeb.sh: Preseed installing MATE desktop by default when
> espeakup is used in d-i
>
> diff --git a/debian/changelog b/debian/changelog
> index 33a39f0..03d9f4
Re: Unblock brltty?
On 08/16/2010 05:21 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Adam D. Barratt, le Sat 14 Aug 2010 10:09:38 +0100, a écrit : >> The icu transition is ready to go, but currently stalled by brllty which >> is blocked because of its udeb. >> >> As I understand it, the udeb does not use icu > > It doesn't indeed. > >> so should be safe to unblock in that regard; could we do so please? > > Brltty should be fine to unblock. unblocked Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c696d61.2090...@debian.org
Re: Unblock brltty?
Adam D. Barratt, le Sat 14 Aug 2010 10:09:38 +0100, a écrit : > The icu transition is ready to go, but currently stalled by brllty which > is blocked because of its udeb. > > As I understand it, the udeb does not use icu It doesn't indeed. > so should be safe to unblock in that regard; could we do so please? Brltty should be fine to unblock. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100816152111.gh7...@const.bordeaux.inria.fr
Unblock brltty?
Hi, The icu transition is ready to go, but currently stalled by brllty which is blocked because of its udeb. As I understand it, the udeb does not use icu so should be safe to unblock in that regard; could we do so please? Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1281776978.24840.4390.ca...@kaa.jungle.aubergine.my-net-space.net
