Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-02-09 Thread Serge Kosyrev
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 19:27, Michael Gilbert wrote:
  I vote UDOFV.

 So, this vote effectively gives systemd the win (assuming Bdale opts
 for the casting vote).

 This trumps the fact that Steve was in the midst of drafting a
 potentially agreeable ballot all around, and had stated his
 disappointment about this out of the blue CFV since he just needed
 some more time to get that done.

Many have voiced the concern I'm going to address, but as I see your
words, I cannot help but see the need to reiterate.

There is a point of view, that Steve's role as a debian's upstart maintainer
is in a direct conflict with the spirit of the process here.

From such a viewpoint, one would rather see Steve abstain from
_any_ participation on bug #727708.

In fact, one can't help but be amazed at the level of tolerance to this
issue from other members of the CTTE.

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Samium Gromoff


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Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-02-09 Thread Serge Kosyrev
Serge Kosyrev skosy...@ptsecurity.ru writes:
 On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 19:27, Michael Gilbert wrote:
   I vote UDOFV.
 
  So, this vote effectively gives systemd the win (assuming Bdale opts
  for the casting vote).
 
  This trumps the fact that Steve was in the midst of drafting a
  potentially agreeable ballot all around, and had stated his
  disappointment about this out of the blue CFV since he just needed
  some more time to get that done.
 
 Many have voiced the concern I'm going to address, but as I see your
 words, I cannot help but see the need to reiterate.
 
 There is a point of view, that Steve's role as a debian's upstart maintainer
 is in a direct conflict with the spirit of the process here.
 
 From such a viewpoint, one would rather see Steve abstain from
 _any_ participation on bug #727708.

 In fact, one can't help but be amazed at the level of tolerance to this
 issue from other members of the CTTE.

Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org writes:
 This has been repeated many times

I have said so, indeed -- as well as stated a reason for reiteration.

 and refused

False.  Three messages on this list brought this conflict of interest
into light:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#2810 by Anthony Towns
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#5912 by Friedrich 
Gunther
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#6206 by Dmitry Smirnov

There was no answer.

 and I would really prefer that you would stop
 reiterating this again and again. It's really annoyning and it feels like you 
 are not listening
 anf just blindly repeating your position. Please stop, you are not helping 
 neither Debian nor
 the process.

Such is your unexplained (and ill-substantiated) preference.

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Samium Gromoff


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